Nexey's book

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  1. Good twin

    Good twin Floater

    I finished reading "A Spiritual Model of the Universe". I wasn't really excited about reading it. I am a bit hesitant to delve into philosophy. Funny that the book really addressed what I was / am experiencing.

    I kinda thought as I went into it that I was going to be "schooled" on the truth about spirituality. It was so easy to read and so humbly presented, I melted. I loved the book. It validated my understanding, my viewpoint and my choices. It actually validates all viewpoints, understandings and choices.

    It's just a lovely and gentle guide to enlightenment with no preachy "know best" crap. I highly recommend it. I truly sincerely and highly recommend it.

    Thanks Nexus. :smoochy:
  2. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Nexus gets all the girls.
  3. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron

    Can somebody post the link to purchase it again?

  4. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you GT!

    The link is my signature, TL. Thanks for the interest.
  5. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    Parts of it are available online for quick browsing.

    Sorry Good Twin, but that book is complete crap.

    I'm going to make a bet that this guy doesn't even own a telescope and has no idea what "red shift" is.

    And he claims to explain the universe.

    OP, you got conned by scientology (I assumed), why get conned again? Take an astronomy course, a physics course if your want to even begin to understand the universe.

    This guy claims he's going to give you "truths". It's all BS.
  6. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    The author says: "This book explains the spiritual structure of the universe, including the one rule you cannot break. Knowing this makes the trip a lot easier. "

    Since I don't have the whole book, what is the ONE rule you cannot break. I just want to see if that's BS too.
  7. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Your opinion is noted, AO.

    With regard to your question, much of the info in the book is on the "What If" thread, including that "answer". I doubt you'll ike it much, however, and you might be better off skipping that enterprise for a bit. Just an opinion from me.

    With regard to this thread, the source is a spontaneous and unsolicited compliment from GT for which I am humbly grateful. I do not intend to bump the thread or use it to promote the book, and am content to let it pass into history. But if I get requests I feel I should address them.
  8. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron

    AO, you have every right to believe that the world ends with your 5 senses, and scientific discoveries about the physical universe. At one time I was there with you -- Carl Sagan was my idol (still love him, actually; though I believe now there's something beyond the physical universe).

    But people who are drawn to Scientology in the first place are often people who have a pretty high degree of spiritual awareness. That's one thing I love about this board. Because Scientology isn't what it claims to be doesn't mean that there is no spiritual truth, and I, for one, really value the thoughts of ex-Scientologists; they've been through a sort of "baptism by fire". They know what can go wrong in a spiritual quest, and have highly developed discernment. I have learned a lot by listening to them.

    I recognized Nexus right away as someone who had something to say -- was thrilled when he said he had written a book. . .his posts alone have been enlightening to me. (His and many others -- this board is chock-full of wise and grounded people).

    I'm not sure what your purpose is in coming to this thread and being so rude about someone's work. I've never seen Nexus do that to you, or anyone for that matter.

  9. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    People (in the 50's and 60's) got into scientology because they thought it was SCIENCE. Scientology promoted Hubbard as a SCIENTIST, a doctor, physicist, a nuclear engineer. It was not spirituality back then.

    Scientology's marketing got changed because people got less and less interested in science and preferred the easy answers that the Truths (with capital "T") that spirituality claims to provide.

    I don't mean to upset, but to wake people up. Sometimes that requires shocking statements, like "this book is crap". Your right to think and publish crap is absolute, just like my opposition to it.

    The book makes an incredible claim: To provide a model of the Universe. Such extraordinary claims, like Sagan said, require equally EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. It requires solid theories that are argued back and forth by other scientists until they are disproven. If they stick, they continue to be the truth, but a provisional truth, with a lower case "t".

    That's why this book is "not even wrong", it's worse than that.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2009
  10. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    Likewise, you have to right to believe that you have an extra sense, but that is also an extraordinary claim. There is thus far ZERO evidence. It's all in your mind.

    Come up with ANY evidence of another sense and you have an IMMEDIATE Nobel prize and a ticker parade in New York.

    Good luck.

    Back to debunking e-meters.
  11. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    "It is a blessed thing to have an imagination that can always make you satisfied, no matter how you are fixed."

    Mark Twain
  12. EP - Ethics Particle

    EP - Ethics Particle Gold Meritorious Patron

    Left Behind...

    You are really getting rude, AO! :duh:

    Why don't you get and read the whole book - then get and read the "Left Behind" series? :confused2:

    Keep busy! :p

  13. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    AO - this is simply RUDE. It really bother's me that you butt in on this thread that has nothing to do with you so you can throw around your hairbrained theories while insulting and bashing another's ideas. You really piss me off sometimes AO.
  14. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    It's one thing to say that there are accurate statements which are verifiable because we have evidence for them. It's another to say that there are no accurate statements that can be made without evidence, or to assume that a statement is innacurate without supporting evidence.

    A statement is not meaningless because there is no evidence to support it. Nor is that meaning necessarily wrong. Things remain in doubt, to me, until I've gathered what I consider to be conclusive evidence, but this doesn't mean I don't act without evidence, or when I have doubts. A pretense at certainty or a refusal to act without it are both absurd.
  15. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron

    AO, I'm pretty sure that Nexus is just presenting his viewpoint. I haven't read it yet (just ordered it) but I'm pretty sure there's no "ex" that believes anyone, including themselves has a monopoly on truth. When I first came to this board I started a thread asking people what spiritual interests they had now. Just about everyone said something like "no more gurus for me, but right now I'm interested in . . . . .(whatever). . ." Exes are not gullible people (we may have been at one time, but we have learned).

    A model is just a representation anyway. Dalton's model of the atom has some truth, and was very good until more discoveries were made and it was "updated" by Thomson, Rutherford, then Bohr, then quantum physics provided the cloud/wave model. Someday science will tweak that one too, but for now it's good, and it's another step closer to the truth. People are aware that it's just a model, and not the ultimate truth of atoms.

    I have a "model" for child-rearing that's different from my friends. By sharing them, we all learn and help each other, but I've never seen anyone totally abandon their own model completely.

    So I have no problem with somebody claiming to provide a model of the spiritual universe.

  16. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is nothing rude here. The book makes a fantastic claim that is not substantiated and I'm calling the author on it. Does he have the credentials, the education, the publications to make and back up such claims?

    Just because it's "spirituality" doesn't mean it deserves more respect. In fact it deserves less respect.

    Nonsense needs to be opposed. People are afraid to oppose people's silly beliefs.

    I have this bumper sticker from Voltaire:
    "Those we who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

    Absurdities have to be nipped in the bud. We would not be stuck with all this Hubbard crap had he been opposed right from the start.
  17. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    dup, sorry.

    I could go on about the book though :)
  18. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Does that mean we should nip you in the bud, AO?

    You seem to be crapping all over the place. :yes:

    By the way, I am not being rude. I do see you crapping all over the place.

    Last edited: Jul 21, 2009
  19. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Hubbard was opposed right from the start (and before). The problem seems to be that he had correctly estimated how many suckers were born per minute, and fought his battles either luckily or wisely based on how to access these suckers, rather than fighting the authorities based the merit of his ideas. The authorities, on the other hand, seem to have thought that they only had to establish to themselves that his ideas were bullshit, and that he would then go away. They were wrong, and they remain wrong.

    Your view that something only has merits if it will meet with laboratory results, while perhaps correct academically, simply is IRRELEVANT, when it comes down to how a meme will effect people or be transmitted. People don't act based on the merits of a meme.

    If the only definition of "model" that you accept is one that has a similar scope and feel as the QED model, then perhaps your statement about Nexus' claim could be taken seriously. However, there are others. People can talk about things on multiple different scales and levels, and I don't think Nexus is talking about your physical universe balances and measures.
  20. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron


    CONGRATS on 8000 posts Vinaire!!!! (Another, like Nexus, whose thoughts I truly value and respect!)


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