Question about John Travolta and a few others

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  1. justpassingthrough

    justpassingthrough New Member

    Alright, so when reading about scientology, John Travolta's name inevitably shows up among the list of celeb worshipers. However, if i'm not mistaken, I recall John Travolta saying that he really wasn't in the church of scientology and was more of a "free zone" practitioner. In fact, I have heard that he does NOT agree with the way the church is run. If this is the case, why is he lumped in as being associated with the organization. It is my understanding that the difference between the groups is considerable. Is Travolta simply frightened that a smattering of lies and "confessions" will get leaked to the public if he speaks out against the organization in any way shape or form? Furthermore, would the church be stupid enough to attempt to bury one of its most high profile faces? If anyone knows more about this please let me know. If Travolta jumped on the wagon behind Rathbun, a real significant difference could be made, yea?
    On a different note, can someone tell me what OT level Marty Rathbun reached?
    Also, whatever happened to that guy Dan Murman? I heard somewhere that he was about to leave the group.
     
  2. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Travolta is definitely a long-time Scientologist... not a freezoner. He has always just been a bit more mild-mannered about it compared to how Tom Cruise has been in these later years.

    He even came to visit and speak at the Riverside Mission where I was on staff in the 1970s.
     
  3. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron

    I do believe there was a brief period of time where he got very quiet and admitted being unhappy with management (after LRH died if I remember right). . . but that was "handled" somehow and he's "on board" as far as I can tell.

    -TL
     
  4. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't think Travolta is exactly "on board". He certainly isn't a freezoner, though. Travolta is not real happy being in but he is trapped. He is married to a "true believer" dedicated ronbot and they have a daughter. If he left scientology they would make sure that he never saw his kid again. So he suffers in silence and does the minimum, at least for the last few years. But he's not being their spokesman any more. I don't think he is still a Scn in his heart. My 2 cents.
     
  5. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

    When did he say this stuff?:confused2:
     
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  7. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    Perhaps there is a whiff of lavender about his marriage?

    I know in the states crawling out of the closet doesnt help your exposure as an artiste. Especially after years of public denial, OSA certainly would have a dossier on his misdeeds, blackmail, and the blackmail of losing his family would be good enough reason for him to stay, if he has any past history of gayness, that's only rumour of course!

    Does anyone stop watching Cary Grant or not watch a play by Tenessee Williams or any of the very many gay Hollywood icons now that we know about their sexuality? I think not.
     
  8. Good twin

    Good twin Floater

    OMG are you kidding? Being gay doesn't seem to hurt anyone's career in Hollywood. Being a crazy cult member used to be acceptable as well, but Mr. TC couch jumper changed all that. I'm pretty sure if JT "came out" about being gay and denounced Co$, there would be an outpouring of public support. I doubt if a parents sexuality would be questioned more harshly than a heavily controlling belief system with a custody judge in California.

    Maybe he's just not gay. Even if he's not, he'd be better off saying he is and telling all that the cult has been using his gayness to keep him in. Jus sayin.
     
  9. OliviaZero

    OliviaZero Patron with Honors

    I just can't believe it would seem worse to have the world know you're gay than to be stuck under the thumb of a dangerous cult. I think many, many people would embrace John in all of his gayness and applaud his escape from the cult (most people I know would, gay and straight, alike). He would not be without a great deal of support.

    Being in danger of being disconnected from your young daughter is another matter, though. For her, I would understand why he would be hesitant to make a move. I wish he would go and take her with him.
     
  10. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    Then the only hold the cult have is the fear that the org might get their overpaid lawyers to back the wife in the fight over the child.

    Mind you he could afford equally strong lawyers.

    Sod it, JT just go for it!:yes:
     
  11. Sassy

    Sassy Patron Meritorious

    To the contrary, this would be an ideal time for someone like JT to blow; the cult couldn't dare keep him from his daughter because disconnection doesn't exist, right? :thumbsup:
    No matter his sexual orientation, it would be pretty embarrasing to come out after all these years. He'd make a fool of his wife and himself. Obviously he loves his wife & daughter, and never mind how he felt about his son. Their life & how they live it works for them. :)
     
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  12. It really doesn't matter what he said, Scientology and everything it stands for has zero credibility, John Travolta would win the easiest law suit in history if it went before a jury. We all know the management of Scientology are victims of Hubbard's Study Tech, but even they aren't stupid enough to alienate their celebrity marketing meal ticket
     
  13. DartSmohen

    DartSmohen Silver Meritorious Patron

    As previously stated, in Clearwater in1980, Alex Sibersky, who was John Travolta's auditor told me directly that John had left the cult and Alex was sent to California to "recover" John. The steps taken were to remind John that as long as he was in good standing, any data in his confessional files would remain strictly confidential.

    There had been a few "incidents" divulged in session that perhaps John felt ought to remain confidential. After all, John was soaring as a star and could not let anything impede his status.

    Seems to have done the trick.

    Dart
     
  14. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    Such caring people!

    Who cares what he did, and with whom.

    However any videos would sell for a fortune!
     
  15. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I'm not challenging your info, Dart, but what can the cult do if he says sod it and leaves publicly? They CAN'T hold a press conference and say they've got all this damning data from his confessionals and now they're making it public because he's escaped. What can they leak surreptitiously? Put it around that he's gay? People do that anyway, even on ESMB. There are famous photos on the big wide Net of him kissing his kid's male nanny on the lips as well as Kirk Douglas (who was ambushed by JT and shows it).

    Maybe Kelly would stick with him after all. I assume there is at least some love holding their marriage together, and he is a much bigger star than she is in her own right.

    Paul
     
  16. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    aaah ... that explains a lot (that look in JT's eyes for a start ... he has always looked trapped to me ... and deeply sad).

    He never had the 'gleam in the eye' that one is supposed to have in scientology (the one that made us look manic).

    :omg:

    If he wants to get out now, he will ... the only thing that would be awkward for him is looking like a burke for being involved in the first place ... but Jason managed it and at least JT always looked as if he was there under duress (and was by the sound of it).

    His many fans would still love him.
     
  17. CornPie

    CornPie Banned

    Finally a name, Alex Sibersky, but I think this is hearsay unless Sibersky says it himself. His name is all over the Internet though, declared SP by scientology. There's nothing I could find about him on YouTube though, but I'd sure like to see a video of Alex Sibersky saying it himself. I'm not at all interested in knowing Travolta's secrets, just that scientology blackmailed him with info from his ethics folder in 1980, in order to keep him in the "church" -- if the assertion is true.
     
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  18. AnonOrange

    AnonOrange Gold Meritorious Patron

    Dan Murman blowing? That'll be the day!

    Dan was seen robotically repeating "Scientology works and helps people" in one video from about 3-4 months ago. Hombre (PirateOfAnonymous) has a good video from him, where he stoically stay still while asked questions for a few minutes.

    We also heard he had throat cancer, but his voice did not seem affected by it.

    Where did you hear about Dan leaving? That would be a MAJOR story and I'm sure M. Bunker would love to have a video chat with him.
     
  19. justpassingthrough

    justpassingthrough New Member

    On the topic of sexuality. I know that homosexuality is against Scientology beliefs. However, have there ever been any publicly gay people that are in the group? The church loves to lie about its policies in order to lure more people in, has there ever been a "gay spokesperson" that tries to tell the public that the policy they are talking about is wrong?
    Or are they actually adamant about it, but just don't say it directly? I know the catholic church has no qualms about stating their beliefs regarding sexuality but you would think a group that claims to be so free thinking and open wouldnt object to it.
     
  20. Whitedove

    Whitedove Patron Meritorious

    No, JT doesnt have that glare stare that most scientologists have. There is something very genuine about him. Yes he is trapped but I love him as a person very much. He is a gentle and caring soul imo.

    Its hard to say if he will ever get out. I hope he does. I see the genuity in him. Even with the scientology layers over him. I know I do.
    Try to find that in Tom Cruise! :eyeroll:
     

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