I'mglib on OCMB picked up this great comment from an article done by OC Register in Tustin re Anonymous, (obviously written by a Freezoner and you can take or leave that part depending on personal preference). http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=330449#330449 The original comment is here: -------------------------------------------------------- albertn wrote: While the article is of great interest, i think what really tells the story of scientology is the comments that turn up in articles like this. You look at the comments that come from the anonymous camp. You have links to videos, audio, the protest planning sites. All comments focused not on scientologists, not on their right to believe, just on policies which are at the very least questionable, and in some cases blatantly illegal. You have that individual in the video, saying plainly, go to scientology websites, see their side of the story, then hear what critics and ex members have to say. Then you look at the comments from scientologists. These fall into two catagories. Comments which attempt to discredit the source of opposition, and comments which operate under the scientology principal 'whats true is whats true for you' or in english ' it did not happen to me, therefore it does not happen.' I have been a scientologist for xx years and i have never been forced to disconnect', therefore disconnection does not happen. Better yet is you have scientology PR officials denying disconnection even exists, even though its listed on their own website. This is a very deeply flawed logical concept. But it is useful in that using this principal, any acts of abuse or illegality that are raised can be easily dismissed. I have never seen an introspection rundown, therefore, it does not exist. The introspection rundown, for those who are curious, including scientologists, is the method of dealing with a perceived mental breakdown, what is known in scientolgy as a 'type3pts'. The introspection rundown demands the individual be locked in a room, and refused communication of all kinds bar blinking until they become sane via well, introspection. Getting past the obvious issue of being held against your will, it sounds not too bad huh. Tell that to the Martine Boubile, who was stripped down to a t shirt, locked in a room for six weeks, forced to live in her own feces and who was rescued after neighbours noticed scrawled help notes she had thrown from a hold in her sealed window. Watch the reaction of the officer who rescued her to the situation. Watch as the head of french scientology is confronted with a copy of the introspection rundown by a reporter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLewFRA51g Its a curious thing about scientologists, that they are incapable of seeing the irony, nay folly of their logic. In the time i have been looking on this, that is the thing that makes me wonder the most about whether there really is mental conditioning going on. How can scientologists be trained rigorously on the idea that if want correct information on something, you must get it from the source (flawed idea btw and the reason scientologists will rant excessively that you get info on them from them and nowhere else ) yet at the same time, fight a massive war on the field of psychiatry, with pickets, congressional pushes, the works, all based on information given to them by scientology. How they can see six months of protests which focus on illegal acts and policies proven in court and reported by ex members yet still scream that their beliefs and individuals are being persecuted. How they can accept scientology's claims about protesters, journalists even when the FBI blows them out of the water. This is because, in scientology, the only source of GOOD DATA is scientology itself. Any other source of information is by definition incorrect. Ex scientologists that speak out are bitter, because they could no advance in the church. Watch recently ex scientology poster boy and actor Jason Beghe in a 8 part interview about how he came into, advanced through and ultimately chose to leave scientology, because he was told his near fatal car accident was caused by his knowing a gay person. This was a man so beloved in the church he did voice overs for most of their in church material. http://www.vimeo.com/919064 Protesters are religious bigots, or terrorists, or working for big pharma, or jobless losers. Etc etc etc. It just makes me laugh, that a group that take the word science into their name, would so employ the opposite of scientific method. That their defining argument, against all criticism , against all proof is. THESE GUYS ARE LIARS OR TERROROSTS OR BIGOTS OR BITTER APOSTATES, BECAUSE WE SAY SO. But scientologists don't have to go on just a say so, they get shown nice glossy videos made by the church, which explain everything! That bbc reporter? Scientology made a documentary all about him, it even suggests the bbc organised anti scientology protests at which death threats were made. http://www.bbcpanorama-exposed.org/ Those masked protesters? They get a video too! http://www.anonymous-exposed.org/ You see, scientologists don't have to go to all that bother of actually impartially coming to a conclusion, because scientology will have researched the subject, gathered all the data, and presented it to them in an easy to digest manner! Its very considerate. It does not matter if the accusations in the videos are proved utterly false. Because whoever prove it false must also by association be giving bad data. Watch the hilarity as scientology spokesman tommy davis begins spouting the accusations against protesters only to be blown out of the water by the cnn reporter, who using forethought, contacted the FBI regarding scientology's claims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSS178Q-4eo And yet scientologists are still desperately spouting about the same accusations. Because it is all they have. They are torn between two conflicting images of protesters being thrown out by the church. On the one hand, they paint the protesters as elite cyber terrorists, planting bombs and sending anthrax in the mail. On the other hand they want people to think they are bored jobless losers, with nothing better to do. The two ideas are, one might say, mutually exclusive. And yet they will happily push both ideas at once, and see no error in that logic. Now lets just look at one of the comments to this article. Saying scientologists are following protesters is ridiculous because gas is expensive. Protester being followed for 15 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIS4UvarzUs&feature=related BBC reporter John Sweeney was followed repeatedly during the making of this documentary on scientology, which can be seen in in full here. http://www.veoh.com/videos/v30804283A59CwFe Scientology PI caught. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aBwTH2nAw Scientology is a massively wealthy organisation, due to the massive sums it charges for religious services. It has blown, and continues to blow vast sums of money on investigators to silence critics. As a final note, here is a fun game for low level scientologists in the audience to play. As a scientologist you have no doubt heard the voice of l ron hubbard, used in many of the groups audio delivered works. To put it mildly, its distinctive. You also know as a scientologist that all reports that aliens and this 'xenu' character have any part in scientology is a lie. Ex members and protesters who talk about it are liars. Yet cast your ear , i ask you, onto this wikileak, the audio file of the lecture which discusses xenu in detail. Before you click, consider this paradox. If a person finds out the contents of this lecture, OT3, without being prepared for it, they will die. Yet all the critics know about it, and are living quite well. Therefore it must be a forgery, and as such a lie. Therefore there is no harm in listening to it. And yet i know, that if you do listen to it, when you get to OT3 and find yourself listening to this exact same file, you are going to have a moment of realisation. That scientology lied to you. Frankly, no one cares that aliens are in scientology. That's not the issue. The issue is that if you ask right now, a fellow scientologist at OT 3 or higher, if this is part of scientology, they will say no to you, and thus lie to you. Its not a lie when an OT2 or lower says it, because to them, that is the truth, and there is no greater lie than a lie told by one who believes it to be the truth. https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/S...lass_VIII_Assists_Xenu_lecture_recording_1968 Scientology is what i like to think of as a stage one religion. Every religion has its stage one. Where dogma is absolute. Back once upon a time people took the idea of stoning people to death for planting two different crops side by side, just because it was in the bible. That's how scientology is right now. It's based on absolute adherence to dogma. The second stage of scientology already exists, scientology practised outside of scientology, known as the freezone. These guys are actually incredibly reasonable. If organised scientology acted like the feeezone, there would be no protests. Watch if nothing else, this fantastic documentary a comedian did when he wanted to research scientology but was told to get lost by scientology. It shows the truth, that freezoners are a bright, reasonable bunch of people, looking to make their lives and the lives of others better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URg_PDFxnDc&feature=related And what's really amazing is that scientologists watching this, if they dare to, will say, hey.... That's what we are doing. Why does everyone think we are such a bunch of bad guys and these guys are great. THE ANSWER, WE DONT. But until you begin to impartially examine accusations against your church as an organisation, we have to do it for you. We are the ones asking you to get precautionary health checks if you have been on the freewinds, because of the asbestos exposure risk. What is the church management telling you. THERE IS NO ASBESTOS. Even though the dock company sealed the ship because of exposure to it and it was reported in local papers. Even though the shipping insurance companies have confirmed it. Scientologists will still believe whatever scientology says about the situation. Believing scientology managements explanation without a shred of doubt, in the face of absolute proof from multiple impartial expert sources is not evidence of faith, it is proof of blind faith. Even scientology admits that actions in the past which brought the church into disrepute, such as operation snow white we caused by corrupt leadership. And yet no scientologist today will even consider the idea that the same thing is happening today. That the principals which lie at the core of a scientologist's life could be being perverted by their leadership in the justification of unspeakable acts against both faithful and critics. Their blinkers are on. Their trust is absolute. The very act of doubt itself is a crime. That is why i protest. I protest for scientology without the introspection rundown or fair game harassment of critics. I protest for a church of scientology that can say without shame, yes, aliens are acknowledged as part of the background history of scientology, is it any crazier than another religion? I protest for a scientology that will honestly say, no, eventually scientology is not compatible with other religions. I protest for a scientology that wont harass and demonise freezoners an ex members. I protest for a scientology that will accept others choices to seek psychiatric solutions rather than their own. I protest for a scientology that does not need to lie. That accepts accountability for its errors, which is transparent and just, and which lives up to the talk it so willingly talks in the public eye. And if any scientologist who has read the creed of scientology and is worth their salt, does not pick up a sign and stand beside us, with ex members and freezoners, then the shame is theirs, and theirs alone.