Scientology Question

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  1. AnonJC

    AnonJC New Member

    Hi, I’m not actually an ex-Scientologist but I figured you people would be the best ones to get a knowledgeable answer from. I know that scientology hates psychiatry and psychiatric medication but I’m just curious whether this hatred also extends to psychologists as well?

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  2. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Well, as far as my understanding goes, scientology is opposed to any form of 'mental healing' both psychiatric and psychological since it (scientology) peddles the notion that it has a full understanding of how the mind works and how to repair any 'damage' to it and return the individual to his or her full potential. It's all bollocks really. (That's a scientific term of course.)

    Edit: I just happen to have on hand a little snippet of one of L. Ron Hubbard's scientific explanations as to why humans have psychological problems. Just so that you know what we are dealing with here:

    When a planet had been engulfed, the Helatrobans would attack it with "little orange-colored bombs that would talk" and the clouds themselves would talk: "And here you'd have a gray cloud going by and it'd be saying, 'Hark! Hark! Hark!' you see? 'Watch out! Look out! Who's there? Who's that?'"
     
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  3. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Generally speaking, Scientologists are taught to hate, fear and (ultimately) destroy their enemies, "the psychs". That would be psychiatrists, psychologists and mental health professionals.

    It would even extend to people who WORK FOR mental health care professionals. (secretary, administrator, et al).

    Scientologists hate "psychs" because "Dr" Hubbard hated psychs.

    And he is the infallible savior of the universe with "total knowingness"; ergo the "ideal Scientologist" that everyone should strive to emulate.

    Mental health professionals are evil, by the way, mostly because they are able to expose the avaricious hoax called Scientology. Anyone who is or can become a debunker/whistleblower is automatically evil and marked for destruction.

    Have I mentioned recently that Scientologist are incredibly gullible and/or stupid? LOL
     
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  4. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    IIRC, L. Ron Hubbard thought psychologists were somewhat less objectionable. While those who dispense electric shock, lobotomy or psychiatric drugs were truly evil, those who only practiced talk therapy were more to be mocked and scorned than hated.

    Hubbard said that "Psychoanalysis has a somewhat better record [than psychiatry]. Someone has occasionally learned to live with his difficulties." (Of course that's a pretty pitiful achievement compared with making someone superhuman, as scn claims to do.)

    But scientologists in general seldom make a distinction between psychiatrists and psychologists, and tend to lump all "psychs" together as villains.
     
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  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    True, true, true.

    But, if a Scientologist "onlines" mentioned that they were seeing a psychologist or worked for a psychologist, they would be routed to Ethics the same way as if they were seeing a psychiatrist.

    Psychiatrists or Psychologists---Scientology is an equal opportunity hater.

     
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  6. screamer2

    screamer2 Occam's Ball Crusher

    Yes. That hatred also extends to psychologists.
     
  7. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    Doesn't it extend to "other practices" - basically any mode of spiritual or mental help that isn't scientology?
     
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  8. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Exactly, yes!

    HELPFUL TRANSLATION FROM CULTSPEAK TO ENGLISH

    Other Practice = Business competitor


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  9. screamer2

    screamer2 Occam's Ball Crusher

    Anything that is not $cientology

    Is hated, reviled.
     
  10. screamer2

    screamer2 Occam's Ball Crusher

    Re-read KSW
     
  11. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Scientology even dislikes plain medical doctors, preferring Scientologists go to chiropractors.
     
  12. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    REASON: Medical doctors are too complex. Ron states that "complexity is equal to degree of non-confront". On the other hand scientology chiropractors have gargantuan confront and can quickly and easily find your mest body's why.

    DISCLAIMER: I do not want to evaluate for Scientologists, so I will let them speak for themselves:



    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Doctor, my lungs have been giving me huge problems,
    for years I couldn't stop coughing and now I can hardly
    breathe. "


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    We'll need to do a full workup, blood panel and
    other diagnostic tests so that we can exactly
    determine the source of the problem, so that
    we can make it vanish.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Wow, that sounds complicated---and expensive!


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    Oh, no it's quite simple, actually I already ran
    all the diagnostic tests.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Wuttttttt? When did you do that, today
    is my first visit to your clinic?


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    I did it after you described all your symptoms.
    The WHY is that you have spinal subluxations.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Wutttt? My spine?


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    Yes, the misalignment of your vertebrae are
    suppressing the flow of theta to your lungs. I
    can give you a series of adjustments over the
    next months and your lungs will be as good as new!


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Wowwwwww! That is amazing. That's it, there's
    nothing else for me to do or be worried about?


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    Well you will need to do two things--first, pay for
    a 12.5 hour intensive of adjustments today and
    get the sliding scale discount.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Okay, I hope it's not too expensive. What was the other
    thing I need to do.


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    You need to take the prescription I am going to give you
    today.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Oh, drugs? I was hoping to avoid that.


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    No, not drugs, LOL. We base our presciptions on
    real science and naturally growing herbs and such.
    Before I write your prescription, I need to ask you
    if you are a smoker and if so how much you smoke
    a day.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Well, um...yes, I do smoke. About a pack a day.


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    Okay then, here's your prescription, I need you to
    increase to 3 packs a day, like Dr Hubbard smoked.
    He stated that lung cancer is caused by not smoking
    enough cigarettes.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    My cousin is an emergency room doctor and he told me
    that my lung cancer is from smoking.


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    LOL. Well, obviously your cousin is a wog, so he doesn't know.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Actually my cousin is the one that got me into Scientology. He's
    a grade IV!


    SCN CHIROPRACTOR
    LOL, well that's all fine, but he's only a Grade IV and I am an OT I,
    so obviously he doesn't have all the advanced confidential information
    and secret upper level technology.


    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Wow, that indicates! I feel all the charge is totally blowing,
    i think my cough has already been handled, I didn't cough for the
    past 10 minutes just being in your theta space!
    Do you have any blank Success Story forms?


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  13. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    If a Scientology person were getting Scientology auditing and also found to be getting talk therapy with a psychologist then I am sure that they would be sent to a Scientology ethics officer and assigned the ethics condition of "Doubt". They would then have to work through the condition of "Doubt" before they would receive anymore Scientology auditing.

    They would not be allowed to do both at the same time.
     
  14. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    I think that would be true if they were on lines at all, not just for receiving auditing. If they were on a beginning course like the Comm Course the handling would probably be gentle, like, "Hey, we'd like you to stop seeing your shrink while you're on the course, you know? Otherwise it'll be hard to tell what's the effect of the course and what's coming from your therapy." Once you got beyond a beginning course, the handling would not be so gentle.

    I didn't exactly get in trouble, but I raised eyebrows just reading some psych books while on staff. I read "I'm OK, You're OK" and "Games People Play," two psych books that were popular at the time. (I had a wog job at night where I had lots of time to read.) I didn't get sent to ethics, but a couple people sat me down and said, "Hey, what is this? Are you losing interest in scientology?" I said I was just curious and the stuff didn't seem so bad to me, no electric shock, no cutting up brains or anything. Just doing a little research.

    That served as a "gateway drug," and I moved on to Freud's "Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis." This further aroused my curiosity, which I finally satisfied a few years after leaving scn by undergoing psychoanalysis for 2 1/2 years.
     
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  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    There are not many Scientologists who know the difference between a psychiatrist and psychologist. You'll get headaches trying to explain the difference to them, too.

    They're not dumb, they're just extremely indoctrinated.
     
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  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    I am not sure that Scientologists in good standing would agree with that.

    Let's ask one. . .
     
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  17. screamer2

    screamer2 Occam's Ball Crusher

    William L.F. "Billy" Blowdown is always spot on.
     
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    to answer your question, yes it does, the hatred is not just what you mentioned, but it's not actually a hatred, good old Ron, LRH, tried to logically explain that these people had it all wrong, and that by doing dianetics, and then later scientologoy, why you would be cured of your personal problems as well as medical problems.
     
  19. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    IIRC, LRH maintained that psychology originated with Wilhelm Wundt, who was a Marxist and as such claimed that all we were were meat bodies and we had no spiritual component. So Scientology, which does claim that we have (or are) a spiritual component, is inevitably superior.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Wundt

    (I'm obviously not saying I agree with that, I'm just stating the Scn position as I recall it.)
     
  20. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    I think the statement that Wundt was a Marxist is an LRH invention. Hubbard liked to conflate psychs and communism.*

    I always figured the reason LRH brought up Wundt all the time was because nobody knew anything about Wundt, so he could say anything he wanted about him without fear of contradiction. In those days of course you couldn't simply google it.

    Freud, on the other hand, even an average person might know a little about, so Hubbard was kinder to him. He made a few remarks in the early books that Freud had some good points, though of course dn/scn were vastly superior.

    * Edit: The most outstanding example of Hubbard conflating psychs and communism is the "Brainwashing Manual," supposedly written by Beria, head of the Soviet secret police under Stalin, but actually (and pretty obviously) written by Hubbard.
     
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