Stabbing @ Scio Sydney - 12/2/2019 9:42 PM Central Time USA

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  1. Miss Ellie

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  2. JustSheila

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    According to the article, the stabber was 16 years old and "had a lawful reason to be there" (at the Scientology Center).

    The article also said that, "Detective Jones said the reason the boy was removed from the premises was "solely in relation" to a domestic altercation that occurred yesterday."

    It sounds like some Scientologist's son (probably an SO member's son) had an argument with his parent(s) and did not get proper police or medical care at the time, but was just booted out instead and he went into a crazy, violent rage.

    Horrible.
     
  3. Miss Ellie

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    This young man's life is forever altered.

    The family of the dead victim is forever altered.

    The survivor's life is forever altered.

    I am so sorry that whatever the issue was could not be handled with compassion and love instead of violence.

    :(
     
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  4. JustSheila

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    Yeh. :sad:

    Everything about this is tragic. :(
     
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  6. HelluvaHoax!

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    So, they spent 57 million dollars to buy & remodel that massive building in order to have an IDEAL ORG.

    What is it that Scientologists claim? Something about how Ideal Orgs are going to be a beacon or oasis of sanity in the world.

    This is an example of how Scientology is creating a world without insanity and criminality.

    It all stems from Scientology's "winning valence" where everyone tries to become a narcissistic sociopath that believes he can control, dominate and enslave others.

    Some people apparently don't react well to that. Even the two staff members who were "escorting" (8Cing) the kid down the road, they had NO IDEA AT ALL that they weren't "total cause over life". They believed that their "tone 40 8C" was working to "route" and remove the "enturbulation" from their theta space.

    I guess that is not what was really happening.
     
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  7. CommunicatorIC

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    I don't think the alleged perpetrator was an SO member's son because Sea Org members cannot remain in the Sea Org if they have children and the alleged perpetrator was 16. It is much more likely the "family member" was doing services at the Advanced Org and Saint Hill.

    The only way it would make sense for the "family member" to be in the SO would be if the alleged perpetrator was not the family member's son, but instead the family member's brother, nephew, cousin, etc. -- i.e., some relationship that would not case the "family member" to be routed out of the SO. To be clear, if the alleged perpetrator was the family member's brother, nephew, cousin, etc., then the "family member" could be on staff or simply doing services.
     
  8. Leland

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    It would seem the 2 stabbed were Sea Org....as the Daily Mail link above called them employees ......

    The 16 year old could have been any Public's or perhaps Staff's child....

    But, News states "he had a right to be there".....so that seems to mean either he was Staff or Public also...?
     
  9. Wilbur

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    Also, if the 16 year old WAS doing services, and had become upset with the church and gone back with a bread knife, the church would quickly invent a 'shore story', imposed upon the 16-year-old's relative, that ensured the murder "wasn't anything to do with Scientology".
     
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  10. Wilbur

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    I pity the relative of the boy. If he's not the murder victim, then (apart from the obvious loss of life) not only has his voyage on the OT levels just come to an abrupt end, but the church will no doubt reallocate whatever he has on account into a program to handle his grief, and whatever else the incident was about. He'll probably lose his OT eligibility, for pulling that in on church property. His life has now just become solely about making amends to the church, so he can regain his eternity (damn that SP kid, look what he's done to my eternity).
     
  11. CommunicatorIC

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    Another bit of an update or possible clarification. It appears the 16-year-old's family members were not on staff, but were instead receving services.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sciento...=edm:newspm:2019&cid=news:socialshare:twitter

    * * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

    Chief Inspector Jones said the 16-year-old did not live at the facility but did have family members attending the church.

    "All I can tell you, it was a domestic incident. It does not relate to the Scientology premises here," he told reporters on Thursday.

    * * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *
     
  12. Leland

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    Perhaps a "Domestic Incident" like no food in the refrigerator....due to giving money to the cult....?
     
  13. Miss Ellie

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    I pray it was not a disconnection gone bad.... there is no way this will be good or justified.

    I am sure the young man will be appointed a lawyer that will lock everything down with the press. I believe that will be best for him for from a legal basis...

    I would love for there to be a "reset" button for all this.
     
  14. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    I hope this is not covered up by the Cult as some domestic dispute...

    The facts as available is that this kid stabbed and slashed 2 grown men, escorting him off the Cult premises....

    Could he have been defending himself?
    Did these 2 men have their hands on the child?
    Just how did they "get him off the Cult property"?
    What authority did these 2 SO Cult members have to order him about?
    What right did they have to do anything to him?

    If he "had a right to be there" as stated in the News....then the situation appears to me to be another case of the Cult taking the Law into their own hands again...

    Did the kid feel threatened by these 2 men?
    What did these 2 men say to the kid?

    If the kid was causing a disturbance of some sort....why didn't they just call the Police? ( we all know the answer to that one....)
     
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  15. freethinker

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    People don't usually draw knives and use them unless they are threatened. Whatever is behind this story it is on a higher level than no money left. I know Australia is different and I believe it is common to carry knives but I think most people would leave them at home if going to a public place, unless maybe a bar or something like that, so it seems he brought it with the idea that he might use it if things didn't go his way.

    Because it happened on Church grounds and Scientology are PR masters extraordinaire, we will likely never know the truth of what happened but I really hope someone knows the truth and speaks up.
     
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  16. freethinker

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    Remember "HCO, bring order!"?
     
  17. CommunicatorIC

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    He had a right to remain on the property initially but only until the representatives of the owners of the property, in this case the COS, revoked his right to be there and and asked him to leave. You have a "right" to remain on private property only so long as the owner permits it. Once the owner revokes permission, you are trespassing if you remain. You have to leave.

    The way it normally works is as follows. The COS asks someone to leave, and tells them that if they don't the COS will call the police. If the person agrees to leave, there is no need to call the police. And if the person agrees to leave, you certainly aren't going to wait for the police to escort him out.

    The 16-year-old apparently agreed to leave and was being escorted off the property. At some point, he pulled a knife and stabbed people, killing one.

    I believe any attempt to blame the SO security guards in this case ignores the evidence of the alleged perpetrator's intent and willingness to commit violence -- i.e., carrying "a 25cm [i.e., almost 10 inch] “very sharp kitchen knife."" See https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/661dd8a201bfabee9e156e8c03345376

    The fact he carried such a knife provides evidence that he came there with the intent to hurt someone, probably his family member.
     
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  18. Leland

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    I completely disagree with Chief Inspector Jones statement above.....

    The kid did not stab and cut a family member....he stabbed and cut 2 Sea Org men.

    It would seem to me he was mad at them. Or they did something to him to set him off...

    The incident happened at a Cult facility....against Cult SO members. How can this Chief Inspector state it was not related to the Cult???
     
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  19. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    This seems pure speculation to me...You are assuming quite a bit here.
     
  20. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Of course I do.