The Betrayal of Bob Minton

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  1. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    WTF, Arnie lerma 'splain plox :unsure:
  2. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Banned

    Oh goody. Yet another moron who wants to re-fight the Minton Wars. Not Arnie meant here.

  3. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Can you rephrase what you ment. Use more words please. Why is this on Arnie Lerma's website than ?
  4. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Banned

    I assume it's there because it is or was Arnie's opinion. Why's it *here*?

  5. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Well Ken Dandar isn't coming out to well in Arnie's opinion. Zinj are you and Arnie at ods with eachother ?

    Ken Dandar popped up in the current wrongfull death case.
  6. byte301

    byte301 Crusader

    Why drag up some old drama? Bored? Go send some e-mails to some polititians or something.
  7. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    They are all having tea with the queen at the moment bawwing about who deserves to be in goverment.

    Alsoo KEN DANDAR
  8. byte301

    byte301 Crusader

    So write some to the Canadian pols. Or better yet the U.S. pols. We don't have a Queen so you can't use that excuse. We do have a lot of court jesters though.
  9. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    LOL Dutch Queen not the UK Queen and yes I like Jesters , they tend to wear Guy Fawkes Masks these days mocking sone kind of "church"
  10. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    A snippet from today, posted to Mark Fisher's notes page on his facebook

    David Lebow.. let me count the ways...
    a) played a homeless guy at 1997 McPherson pickets

    b) played a homeless ex sea org and showed up on Bob Minton's doorstep in New Hampshire

    c) played a homeless guy with a cell fone trying to invite himself to stay with me at my home in virginia

    d) before the LMT was started, I got a call from Bob Minton, who said that he had troubles in Geneva, with the Swiss authorities regarding his accounts. I referred him to a freind of mine who used to be a Fed. What was found out was that David Lebow had gone to Geneva and using a shore story, and NOT disclosing who he was working for, hired the head of the ex-head of the Geneva Bar Association, who then passed on scientology's lies top the Swiss financial police. When the ex-head of the Geneva bar found out who his client David Lebow was working for he ended the association. Meanwhile my friend made it all go away ( having had to go there to deal with it ).

    e) In Stay's harassment of bob minton timeline there is a mention of Bob's partner's offices in Geneva being burglarized - this is NOT what happenned. Bob told me that during settlement discussions with Mike RInder that Mike Rinder had stated, when asked about Bob's partner 'burglary), that Scientology had paid 50,000 to the concierge (who used his pass key) for a xerox copy of every piece of paper in the man's private office at that hotel in Geneva. This would have been Lebow, cause he was there.

  11. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I am focussing on Ken Dandar's role because he is involved in a current wrongfull death lawsuit concerning the Church of Scientology
  12. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    Zinj used to hang out with us on an IRC channel, until we got tired of his constant blathering about not very much which was insufferable while he was drunk, and banned him. He had already been banned from the 'other' channel.

    He then engaged in a series channel takeover attempts, and ended up wasting so much time that I gave up IRC entirely.
  13. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    Hope that one turns out well.

    Some folks have laid claim to have 'helped' Ken Dandar...
    How much 'help' and what kind of 'help' does it take to bring a case to the identical outcome desired by Scientology?

    no money to run an anti-cult support outfit for for x-members (that was the original plan), AND everyone gagged

    paying a cash settlement is merely the cost of doing business for a fraud.


    In the settlement proposals faxed to me before RTC vs Lerma went final - there was a line that we would never be able to financial assist -or- advise other cult members recovering from scientology. We said NO.

    In Brian Haney's settlement with Zwan, there was list of names he could not provide help to, including myself and Bob Minton and many others. Bob had been relying on brian haney's handshake that Brian would help finance the operations of the LMT. That settlement came just prior to Bob's wife getting a telephone call that "Bob and stacy slept in your bed last night at your home in Boston" that caused her to empty the joint account with bob. The next day bob announced he was going to have to shut down the LMT.
  14. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    To his defense. I think Zinj very coherent on ESMB. I fully understand his objections to Marty Rathbun and anyone elses, althoug I think his belief that Rathbun and David Miscavige are in this together is to much.

    No problem if he loaths the guy, but keep the tinmfoil to a minium.

    I never have had the slightest sense that Zinj was blabbing, I on the other hand can be a mystery sometimes even to myself.

    Zinj has surely felt the brunt of the veil COS, I like him very much.
  15. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Okay I am going to be honest and come out with it. Your piece that I posted onhere confuses me. Is Kandar without fault or is he a mean lawyer who is just right for the job in these cases.

    In other words , does he do Imoral things for money ?
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  16. Pooks


    Ken Dandar is one of the few lawyers with the courage to stand up to the cult.
  17. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    That is why Arnie's piece confuses me. I read it and get a sense he sugests Kandar played Mintons strings.
  18. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    Bob had a LOT of money.
    Money changes people.
    Dandar's prior biggest judgment was 50 grand I believe.
    The man was out of his league...
    Further, a small firm or one or two man show cannot do a big case without fatal errors of omission when faced with every jurists nightmare - a psycho opponent with money.. and multiple firms and lawyers and decades of experience confusing judges and jurys.

    If the facts are with you argue the facts.
    If the law is with you argue the law.
    If neither just throw up a constant barrage of crap (ad hominem, plus confusion techniques, obfuscations, fallacies..)
    in hopes some of it sticks while beating the religious persecution drums and generate legal costs, (run you out of money), delays, and harassment until everyone including the judge JUST WANTS IT TO GO AWAY.
    All while
    Sound familiar?
    Read the christofferson eval on Gerry Armstrongs site.
    "bring sufficient pressure to bear (*a ruse*) (upon a matter of no consequence* note) until the target believes he must seek refuge in lies, then prosecute/discredit him for that"!
    This same technique is used analagously against those scientology does not want listened to on the net.

    Note: even the judge finally said, who cares how much money bob gave ken (2.5 million) but by then it was too late.
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  19. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    So because he was out of his league he became :

    So Ken Dandar was basicly a good man but got abberated because he was overwelmed by enturbulation by the Supressive CO$ and he as a Thetan forgot his true Nature ?
  20. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    That case cost many their soul,
    when hard pressed against the spikes of adversity
    Some will yield to expediency...
    as they already had Bob's money.
    While before courage seemed less dear,
    now they had something to lose,
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