When I listened about the "ethics conditions' while I was in the cult they were touted as the be all, end all, do all, fix anything remedy for any no optimum situation or even how to better a good situation. Even here on ESMB I see some people posts the wonderment of Hubbards ethics tech even after they claim to claim to have left etc etc barfola justifications of the rightness of THAT tech. So, I got to thinking about it. I saw one hell of a lot of people cycle through scientology like it was a revolving door. OTs leaving. Highly classed auditors leaving. Long time high ranking SO members leaving. Long time gung ho public contributing serious amounts of cash. Celebs. Regular people. All Leaving ! Now with the ethics conditions applied - working as they do - how could anyone leave scientology ? Some will claim well the person didn't apply the conditions correctly because they didn't properly word clear, demo, clay demo,( & whatever else could be done ) the materials. But what about the well trained MAA / EO / who ever else was well trained, interned & approved those conditions ? How about all of the people who signed off on the conditions ? It seems to remain that over the course of the cult more people - long term - have left than stayed. There are more X cult members than cult members & they had the ethics conditions to fix everything right there at their finger tips ? Let's go to the world a t large. How come scientologists don't run the world ? They have the ethics tech. All they have to do is get a job & move right on up, uh, remember "can run an org from any post"? So where is this application out in the real world where the cult could now after 60+ years be running every business, every industry, every instution, every government & it can even run itself in it's very own Hubbard created "tech " Is it time to call BULL SHIT on ethics tech. too ? Why ? Because it has not been demonstrated to 'work' even when diligently applied. That's my opinion - LOL !