The Truman Show + Scientology

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  1. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Last night the movie, "The Truman Show" was on.

    When I first left Scientology, in 2000, people would ask:
    "How could you be in something like that, for 30 Y E A R S?"

    I thought about it, and then said: "Did you ever see The Truman Show?"
    Immediately, people would say, "OH YEAH~!" They got it,
    right then. If they hadn't seen the movie, I'd briefly describe it,
    and tell them, "When you're "in" an organization like Scientology--
    You cannot SEE the walls".

    I hadn't seen "The Truman Show" since I left.
    Man was it spooky how Similar it is to Scientology.

    ---People using peer pressure to keep you on track.
    --- A Director running the show, YOUR show, unbeknownst to you.
    --- Hidden cameras everywhere.
    ---People ratting on you.
    ---People pretending to be ___when really they were something else.
    --- The "Perfect World" created, where everything is perfect,
    but the MINUTE Truman began to think for himself, it was
    a full blown "Hill 10" as we used to call it, in Scientology!
    --- His "wife" (or was it GF?) and his "Best friend" really working
    against him, again, not know to Truman.
    ---People living in fear, if they began to wake up, as the other GF did.
    ---Fair game covertly used against him. (Lie, Cheat, Steal: Destroy
    someone utterly, IF they're against The Truman Show). The GF being picked
    up by that man, and he lying about her, great examples.
    "She always does this, Truman". "She always takes men to the beach" and
    she screaming: "That's not true, Truman!"
    ---- The Director, once he realizes Truman fooled him, and escaped
    out--Canceling the show for a time, until they could find him.
    ---Truman's whole life is controlled by these people, unbeknownst to him,
    until he begins to wake up--and then the gas is *really* poured on....trying
    to stop him.
    Those are just *some* of the many similar examples.

    I think THE biggest thing was the Director, in The Truman Show, saying, "We
    give people hope, something to believe in"...and believing
    That! It was TOTALLY OK with him, that he was totally lying to a man,
    Truman, and totally manipulating his life, because he (the Director)
    BELIEVED he was giving "the world" Hope,and of course
    cashing in on it, with ADS all through the shows. ($$$$)

    When Truman's boat finally crashes into the wall, and pokes through
    what he THOUGHT was "The Horizon"---seeing it just as paper---
    MAN! That is ***Exactly*** how I felt the night I woke up
    and realized (When Andreas asked me, "What kind of friends could those be if
    they're going to leave you, just because you changed your mind?")-----THESE
    PEOPLE AREN'T MY FRIENDS: THEY'RE JUST PART OF THE SHOW!!!!

    That was one freaky moment, and almost exactly like in The Truman
    Show.

    Also, watching it, here are a few other VERY similar things, for me:
    I got onto OT 7, it didn't work like I'd been told it would by Barry Klein's Wins,
    and other OT 7's---so that was a start of my seeing *something* wrong there.
    Then, as I was on OT 7 for 7 years---I was writing to DM, telling him:
    "THIS ISN'T WORKING--Please let me off". I'd get back, "OK, continue"--
    just like Truman (Keep the show going).
    As people would wake up---you'd see them literally hauled off screaming
    (I saw 2 diff OT 7's like that).

    Just like Truman had his "Secret box of memories" in the basement--I had what I called my "Secret Library". No, it wasn't "L. Ron Hubbard:Madman or Messiah" (although I wish I had read that sooner)--but rather various self-
    improvement books I was reading, TRYING to Fix problems I had, that OT 7
    was NOT fixing. Towards the end I was just as feisty as Truman, telling Flag:
    "Don't even TRY To tell me I can't do____" (like acupuncture I was doing for big headaches I used to get, when "in". Turned out they were due to hormone imbalance, but of course they missed that, too).

    Truman going to the Travel office (or so he thought) and ALL the signs of Fear, "This could happen to YOU" with a plane crashing. C of S has TONS of
    fear dealies, as you all know.

    He trying to leave---and suddenly his "best friend" showing up to stop him, or his wife. As I was escaping, first off they canceled my van to the airport ("Someone anonymous did" the van people told me). Then the Vice Pres at the Airport: "We know where you're going and you're NOT going to see those people". My husband in Chicago where I was changing planes, saying:
    "HONEY! HI--I just happen to be here, what are YOU doing here? We need to go on a vacation". DOH! :duh:

    I took my bow, as Truman did, and I left---forever---with many people, around the world (no kidding) clapping for my freedom, as many of you have experienced, too. Some of the E-mails I got
    from people, some of the kindness people
    have given to me, is truly amazing.

    EVERY day I thank the world of "Wogs" who have shared this new world with
    me, and certainly ALL of the Ex-Scientologists (and Scientologists :) who have been so kind and helped me greatly. :thankyou:

    If you haven't seen "The Truman Show"---I highly suggest you rent it.

    My best to ALL :)

    Tory/Magoo~~Proud to say I'm an X-Scientologist and FREE
    AT LAST!:runaround:

    In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
    X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA Volunteer after 20
    years (Mostly in PR)X-Executive Director of SPL to handle media
    X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what they were really
    doing and soon after left C of S forever.
    For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
    a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster :)
    & Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
    Free at LAST!
    www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
    www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
    www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
    www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia)
    or Type in Scientology in Google
    (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)

    magoo44@charter.net
    Burbank, CA
    (818) 588-3044

    "They, who give up essential liberty
    to purchase a little temporary safety,
    deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    -- Benjamin Franklin
     
  2. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    P.S. Please share your own "Scio-Truman Show" events---I'm sure many of you
    have some to tell, too. Exp:: Oh My Gawd: :omg: It's Not what I thought it was! :)

    It's a *great* analogy--if you ever run into people who say, "How could you
    (Or Tom Cruise, JT, etc) stay in something like that?"
    Once you mention "Did you ever see The Truman Show?".... people get it, immediately~

    Thanks, :yes:

    Tory/Magoo~~
     
  3. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Good point, Tory. There's no substitute for a good analogy to help people quickly grasp a situation with which they have little or no reality.

    Alanzo has made some good posts on why people get in and how they get hooked, but I guess you don't have the time to search thru 3,000 posts plus to find the raisins in his poop! :D

    The movie "The Village" might be another, though less close, analogy for CoS involvement.

    Anyone got any others?
     
  4. ExScnDude

    ExScnDude Patron with Honors

    The yearly PR extravaganza by Int - New Years event.

    Being bombarded by all the "tales" of incredible expansion, when in reality Scientology has about as much impact on the planet as a whole as a fart in a blizzard, is quite "Truman Show"ish.
     
  5. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    hehe :clap:
     
  6. Alanzo

    Alanzo Banned

    Correction: 3640 posts.

    Get it right, would ya?
     
  7. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Alanzo----

    Ok, you've made a ton of posts----so tell me, what do you think about
    this Scio-Truman show? Were you ever "in"? Did you experience this, or not?
    If not in, if you've written that many posts---my guess is you're quite familiar
    with Scientology's routines, eh?

    I'd like to know. Fill me in---

    Best,

    Tory/Magoo~~:coolwink:
     
  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Banned

    You mean you want me to address the subject of a thread? My God!

    Are you trying to KILL ME?

    Truthfully, for me, the way I see it now, Scientology fulfilled a deep emotional need in me that I believed would at some point be fulfilled.

    If you've ever read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer", you'll see him describe the fanatic, or True Believer, as someone who is dissatisfied with himself and is told that only by changing the whole world will that dissatisfaction finally go away.

    I believe that Hubbard went trolling for people like me in order to fulfill his totalitarian dreams of world domination. Because Scientology helped me to transition into adulthood by providing a way for me to get off of drugs, and helped get some structure and discipline into my life when it was desperately needed, I believed that it would continue to do that forever.

    I believed this because I was told this, of course, over and over.

    But if I didn't have the deep emotional need to belong in Scientology in the first place, I would have never stayed.

    Oddly enough, for me, when my mother died, for some reason I still do not understand, the deep emotional need I had for Scientology began to dissipate. And that's really when I stopped "looking away" from all the outpoints and allowing myself to see them.

    Scientology, whether we like it or not, fulfills deep emotional needs in people. It's those deep emotional needs that continue to be exploited by the group that makes people stay.

    Otherwise, no one would be a Scientologist.

    So, while the Truman Show does exist in Scientology, if there isn't a deep emotional need to belong, all the manipulation in the world would never work.

    That's what I think about it now.
     
  9. Marie

    Marie Patron

    Well put, Alanzo....

    I too can see the Truman show analogy.

    But sometimes we have to be in a safe space, which I guess, is what it was at the time.
     
  10. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks Alonzo and Marie.

    Alonzo---Here's the deal, and this is from academics who have studied
    "Cults" and spoke with me: "Really, ANYONE can be snagged up into a cult.
    It's a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time".

    "Emotional needs---even deep emotional needs"---do you honestly think
    there is *a* person who doesn't have some deep emotional needs, here on
    Earth? That's what Scientology's Dissemination Drills are all about:
    "Find their Ruin". Find the buttons---- That's a given, for most people.

    Getting them on the train of mind control (into being a "True believer")---
    well, some of use bought it more than others. I just think it depends on
    each person's situation, the manipulation they were part of, and how cut off they became. On OT 7 it was literally un-affordable TO THINK, let alone read or talk to "SP's" or people critical of Scientology in any way. Hell, I stayed
    on the train for 30 Y E A R S. I honestly, truthfully, believed them!

    Have you ever watched "The Truman Show"? Can you honestly say Truman stayed due to his emotional needs, or was it strictly he was cut off from the FACTS. Once he found out the actual facts, same as you and I, we left.

    THAT is why Hubbard was SO big on declaring people "SP" and cutting people off from looking. Hell, by the time *I* left, they'd put "The Net Nanny" on all of our computes, so we COULDN'T read the facts, even if we wanted to.
    *I* only had access to the Net because my auditor snagged me into his OSA
    Int Top Secret Internet :bullshit:

    That's just my two cents, but thanks for answering and mentioning that book, I'm reading it now.

    Best!

    Tory/ Magoo~~
     
  11. SchwimmelPuckel

    SchwimmelPuckel Genuine Meatball

    Safe space? - Oh yeah.. Theta environment and all that...

    Though I must say that I have never felt so much at risk and in 'danger' as in $cientology. That was my 'thetan' and 'eternity' on the line. My family and whole life at stake. All lost if I farted a skewed one outside Ron's office.

    For me, in the GO, scientology was a state of war. The words we used were those of war.. Hill 10's.. Everything emergency. Military discipline.

    Not a safe space!

    So.. I need to watch 'the Truman Show'.. I've felt harrasssed by Tory to do so for years now! - There's progress on it! I bought the DVD recently! - I have it here! In the pa,pa,palm of my hand!!

    :hyper:
     
  12. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    DO it, SP! DO IT!

    You in particular will love it, from all you've said.

    I, too, lived around the para-military :bullshit: and was told their bible
    was "The Art of War"--Read it, Tory, you'll need it". I never did, even
    though I own it....I think I didn't quite want to know for if I did, I'd probably
    SEE them for who they are ("Mafia-like organization") and then what?

    Well, I saw it anyways---first hand.

    I hope you enjoy "The Truman Show" --tell me what you think, ok?

    I will tell ya this: to this day, I use it as an analogy and it "handles" people faster than ANY other explanation. Even IF they haven't seen it, I can now
    explain it in less than a minute--and they still get it. :yes:

    And they go: :omg: "And I was going to join" or some such thing.

    Now the cat is OUT of the bag, and many people tell me: "Yeah---we know
    how bad/nuts/crazy/insane Scientology is". So then I still give them my card
    with critical web sites on it, tell them IF they hear of ANY young person, artist or business person (or anyone else) getting Suckered "in"--to please pass this on. EVERY person says, "Cool! I will".

    Enjoy the show!!! :runaround:

    Tory/Magoo~~~
     
  13. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    It's a great movie SP!!
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    I love that you've "Been harassed by Tory for years"---Now *that*
    is funny! :roflmao: :roflmao: :buzzin:

    ENJOY--and I want a *full* De-brief,

    Tory/Magoo~~
     
  15. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    I agree Truman was a favorite of mine from the first time I saw it years ago.
    I must say however, that I agree with the posting champion of the world. (what is the world record anyway......?????? Alanzo's gotta be getting there)

    The need to belong preceded it all for me. After that it was all over but the cryin.

    Although schwimmy knows what he speaks.....a lifetime worth of meaness and nastyness was on the daily menu on the inside. But I always did and do try to find the good side of things....so I remained on the fish hook for 10 years.
     
  16. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeah.........me too Duddins............and that kept me in for 30!

    The worst is many of my old friends are still "in", buying it all, forking out
    money for the "new-new-new-newer" books! :duh:

    Finding the good in things is often very good, but in Scientology, I think
    it just keeps one on the hook, longer, as you said.

    Happy we're OUT! :woohoo: :congratulations: :hifive:

    Tory/Magoo~~
     
  17. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    Amen to that!:sing:
     
  18. Marie

    Marie Patron

    Safe space, so it seems when they start to pull you in - yes this is percieved (not real).

    The thing that gets you in, and into the group is a feeling like you are all united on a mission, part of a group who will work together against unsermountable odds to achieve the purpose. That you are a valued member of this group.

    That the tech can "clear" you, defeat the things that are stopping you in life - fix your failed purposes, make you whole... - the emotional support you need to make it go right.

    And you believe, because you are in need of this emotionally... This is a safe space for you to do the above mentioned things.

    That is the party line.

    Some people realize before they get in, or get in too far that this is bunk... I have seen this. Now I was on staff for 5 years or so total, maybe in someways not so quick, too easily decieved - whatever...

    All I know is at the time it seemed right, and yes a safe space, what was needed in my life to get where I thought I should be, where I would be a more able and whole person...

    This is the most insidious part, after you have it in your mind that it is all of those things..... bamm it isn't, it's the most dangerous place in the world,
    and leaving is suppressive or crazy... Thats the final mind control thing, if you don't have the guts or the individualism to leave, your screwed.:thumbsup:
     
  19. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    What happened to the main product of Scientology?

    All we are discussing are the side effects.

    .
     
  20. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Banned

    The only *consistent* product of Scientology is Ex-Scientologists

    Zinj
     

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