Traumatic Interrogation Stories?

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  1. Daisy_

    Daisy_ New Member

    Some of my worst Scientology memories involve being interrogated for hours on end and being screamed at to confess to all sorts of things I never did until my needle floated. I remember once when I was eleven years old, an MAA at ASHO had me on the meter (because I had been stalled for months on a course) and was demanding that I confess to outrageously inappropriate and outlandish things, like using a dildo, fantasizing about intercourse with my dad, and having sex with animals. I didn't even know what masturbation was and was seriously freaked out when she made me word-clear and do a demo of it. I think eventually my needle floated and she let me go with some sort of half-assed fake confession.

    What's your horror story?
     
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  2. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron


    That is so wrong, I'm sorry you had to go through that. When I read this sort of thing I wonder how can a person that would put a child through that get so far gone from reality.
     
  3. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Does anyone remember a process that was on Life Repair that was something along the lines of "What can you tell me? What would you rather not tell me?" That might not have been the exact wording, but whatever the patter was, it was an attempt to get the pc to get off any withholds, etc.

    I felt then, and now, that any of these types of questions are intrusive and meant to break down the person's sense of self, and autonomy over their own thoughts and inner space. The person might feel a rush of relief after talking about something, but at the same time, there is a sense of degradation.

    I recall a session that was spent having to talk about stray thoughts that were embarrassing as opposed to actual transgressions, just because thoughts were popping up and reading on the meter.

    Also, there was the degrading SO paperwork called Life History Form that asked detailed information about ones sex life. This form was presented to all the staff, Scn and non-Scn, of some WISE companies, in the SO's predatory search to find new eligible SO members.

    All in all, stupid and degrading things the cult requested of its members and even non-members..
     
  4. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    WoW!

    Creepy, lunatic and so dammaging to kids.
    I feel very sorry and part responsible for we failed, as a group, to protect kids and small kids from this mental manipulation and dammages. This is the most shameful part of the cult...what they do to kids and how they use them as cheap slaves. (particularly when Uncle Ron the hubtard was still alive and in control...)
    Only a retard, pervert lunatic could torture kids to admit creepy sexuel behavior he, the pervert, was very enlightened about with his very good friends aleister Crowley and Jack Parson....He wanted to proove himself all human beings were
    even more pervert than he was...even kids...


    I've gone throught similar things, force confessions, under C\S threats , in order to protect other pseudo ''high profile'' dickhead lying liar.
    Since I resisted...and refused..I was warned that I would be in real troubles..that happened...

    Those coerced confession, while people are interrogated for hours to admit things they didn't do or admit they are responsible for things others did, are very dammaging...One is loosing his\her sense of knowing past facts, events, and is drawned into confusion till not knowing anymnore what's going on and loosing self-confidence and sense of own identity and values.

    It is a mean of mental torture designed by an mentally ill malignant sociopath (uncle Wrong) and applied by thousands of fooled people (drawned into confusion) :blush:


    Yes, I remember that too! I recall at that time i was under the impression the auditor was blindly fishing to get anything...
    After the life repair, you have no secret garden and privacy anymore.

    A nice introduction to the next coming years of lunatic police polygraph non-stop coerced confessionnals to fill mafia org intell files.
     
  5. Demented Hubbatd

    Demented Hubbatd Patron with Honors

    This is truly a horror story. I do not believe in anything that the retarded Hubbard wrote, but I have never before encountered a description of this kind of interrogation. It shows that Hubbard was a sexual pervert with a low IQ ( a rational person would find this type of interrogation unnecessary because it serves no purpose).
     
  6. phenomanon

    phenomanon Gold Meritorious Patron

    This was some pervert auditor. That was inexcusable questioning of a Minor child. Child abuse. Name the Auditor.
     
  7. Reasonable

    Reasonable Silver Meritorious Patron

    That is crazy horrible. How recent was that was it like the 1970's the 90s?w recent was that? Which org? I'm just wondering if they are still doing that to kids.
     
  8. Lord Xenu

    Lord Xenu Patron Meritorious

    I had a similar experience although I was much older at the time.

    I was being pressured into revealing sexual transgressions. This was all fishing on the C/S's part. It started with 'Do you owe anyone any money' to 'Well is anyone harassing you for money?' (Ironic, I know!) to trying to get me to confess to sexual acts that they seemed convinced I had been involved with.

    The C/S was sure that I had been involved in the manufacture or distribution of pornography and they kept banging on about this. Seeing as I had absolutely no connection with the subject I just replied that I hadn't then eventually they went on to 'So, this person you claim to be such a good friend of yours is not such a terrific person is he?'

    This made me think that the firm (non-scio) that I was working for at the time had a (scibot) spy in the [quite large] company.

    Durin
    g the time that I was being pursued over the sex stuff, they sent ever more good looking women (4 in all) to try and 'seduce' me into confessing sexual wrong doings but seeing as it was so blatantly obvious what they were trying to do it made me completely resistant.

     
  9. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron


    I don't think so. Sounds more like a "Murder Routine" technique aimed to get the w/h by suggesting ever grander levels of crimes.

    e.g.

    Q: Who did you murder?
    A: I just stole $100.00 from my Dad's wallet, I didn't kill anyone!
     
  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Daisy didn't even say it was an auditor, Pheno, she said it was the ASHO MAA.

    There were never any metered interrogatories conducted by MAAs with questions like that (the only one ever allowed for MAAs was the Trouble Source questionnaire to see if someone is a security risk), so I also would like to know who the ASHO MAA was who did this? There is no changing of questions allowed in the Trouble Source metered interview, nor any sort of conversation. The MAA just marks reads.

    Not that it couldn't have happened, but I never heard of a minor getting asked those kind of questions before on a meter by a scientology auditor, much less an MAA. It would certainly be child abuse.
     
  11. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Traumatic for the auditor. :biggrin: Well, not traumatic but annoying. I don't remember if it was a sec check or what. I felt the auditor had crossed the line into stuff that they had no need to know. It was a turning point for me to see that the cult was way too intrusive far beyond any information that I felt was germane or needed and was into Big Brother territory. So I purposely didn't tell him what he was after for about an hour and fifteen minutes. Not that it was a particularly important piece of info or reflect badly on me. It was innocuous, but I felt they had gone over the line and I wanted to f**k with them a bit.

    So the auditor was trying everything to dig out this hidden "important datum". I watched him slowly meltdown, get red in the face, raise his voice, get a bit frantic and actually threaten me with dire consequences, lol. Eventually I tired of the game, I had accomplished my goal of helping him drop the sham and pretense being an auditor and seeing what he really was; (an interrogator) and turned him into a steaming-hot-under-the-collar-mess. :biggrin: So much for the vaunted cult pro tr's. lol. I don't know if he had enough self-awareness to see he had just been p0wned, last I heard the poor bastard is STILL in the cult thirty two years later.
     
  12. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Patron with Honors

    At 16 the "mission" ethics officer who had lots of issues but was the mission holders son. That was his biggest issue. Had me read the definition of either whore or slut to him. I have forgotten which but both words were used in relation to me.

    My great sin was I was dating a ... Wait for it ... Are you ready ... A WOG! :omg:

    I jacked him around a bit but when he said he would call the police and have boyfriend arrested I acted reformed. The guy was older and it could have been bad for him.

    I continued to date him but kept it lower key.

    Being at the mission level I never had the bad stuff tossed my way. I learned how to float my needle at will and that kept sessions short and sweet. It was a big game for me.

    :coolwink:
     
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    MissEllie, that is horrible. :angry:

    The way you were belittled and shamed was like something out of a 1700s horror story. It made me think of Nathaniel Hawthorne's story, "The Scarlet Letter," where the Puritans (considered by England to be a cult, apparently for good reasons, judging from Hawthorne's true-to-life stories) forced Hester Prynne to go to prison for adultery, then afterwards wear a large scarlet "A" for the rest of her life to mark her as an adulteress. She never gave up the name of her lover, but the man was too much of a coward to stand up for her and give himself up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter

    In some ways, what happened to you was much worse, because you didn't do anything wrong, you were just dating a guy and on top of that, you weren't even married!

    So cool that you stood up to the mission holder's son and didn't let metered interrogations get the better of you. I wish every scn learned how to float their needles and could walk away from them and stick to their guns to stay with their relationships. You got hootzpah, woman! :thumbsup::clap::clap::clap:
     
  14. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus BT-free since 2003!

    Daisy, I am so terribly sorry you went through this. I have a feeling this wasn't the only trauma you endured in Scientology though - yes? I have very similar stories. Someone on this thread mentioned the fact that it was an MAA that was interrogating you and not an auditor -- as if this would make any sort of difference? What am I missing here?

    I got in when I was very young, so strange and inappropriate shit began when I was 12. I don't want to give up too many stories because some are in my book (I am done with it by the way. Now I'm looking for an agent), but I have a doozy about how I was interrogated at FLAG by an auditor with a hyper, witch-hunty MAA in the room, right behind him over his shoulder eyeing the reads. "There! I saw a blip!" That sort of thing. They were trying to find out if I'd ever considered committing suicide -- if I'd even had a passing thought about it. I was probably 22 at this time. I said, "Who hasn't had this cross their mind -- just as subject matter?" They nearly threw me off base for saying that!

    All this came down on me because my friend was thrown off base a few days before because she threatening to kill herself. Someone KRed her (probably me) and that was that for her. Now they were "cracking down." I'd only heard rumors about two people in the room during a sec check. I didn't think it was true or "standard," but there I was, pissing my pants, scared to death. I somehow made my needle float by saying that there had been days in my life when I wished I could've "called in dead," but I've never seriously thought about suicide. That made the auditor laugh, which made me laugh, and so it floated my needle. Whew! Back to the course room. Back to another ten years of mind bending.
     
  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Daisy said it was the ASHO MAA. Pheno had thought it was an auditor. MAAs are not required to be auditors. I was a fully trained Dir I&R at AOLA and also did the OEC course, that's how I know.

    There is probably no difference in impact. Child abuse is child abuse, but metered interrogations like that conducted by an MAA is extra weird because scn policy itself prohibits it. So it sounds like this MAA was a full blown, child abusing psycho even beyond scientology crazy.

    The policy on the only metered interrogation MAAs can do is very old, around 1968, I believe. It's called a "Trouble Area Questionnaire." There is no discussion of what comes up, there is no taking things to F/N. The reads are marked on the questions and it is sent to the C/S and it's normally only done when the C/S requests it, like for OT Eligibility. So the MAA doing some off the wall metered sec check of her own in the MAA office with sexual questions to a minor was absolutely psycho.

    It's seriously perverted to then ask a minor or even an adult to clay demo, "masturbation." :wtf: Did the MAA have clay in his office and wait, or was Daisy sent to the courseroom to do it? Who checked her out?

    Seriously weird stuff. Scientology is really weird, but just when you think you've heard everything, you hear something so wild you go :omg: ! I'm not questioning Daisy at all. It's too bad she didn't report it at the time, because an MAA that's such a crazy, disturbed pervert to go making up questions like that and doing them in a metered interrogation and with a twisted, perverted clay demo assignment besides on a MINOR is the kind of thing that would have had that MAA Comm Eved. And at ASHO of all places, where people could hear what goes on in the MAA office from the hallway! It's just shocking.

    The Child Care Org had its share of perverts, for sure. The first time I heard about that, I was really shocked. So no offense intended, but the story is extra shocking to me because MAAs aren't allowed to do that and never were - at least since 1968 or so. The ASHO MAAs I knew in the 80s were really nice and I never knew of anyone having that sort of experience with them back then, so maybe it was later or earlier? Or maybe one of them was a real closet pervert and nobody had any idea?

    For some reason, COS allowed MAAs and others to be present during what they called, "Gang Bang Sec Checks" and that is absolutely hideous. In those, a trained auditor does the metering and others are in the room yelling and stuff. Apparently those went on some time after 1986. I have no firsthand knowledge of them because I was gone by then.

    I wonder if Daisy can still report what happened to the police.
     
  16. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus BT-free since 2003!

    When I was younger, perverted stuff went on in the Scientology community - when I was just getting started, and I was just a kid. Maybe it wasn't happening in the org, but it made incredible impressions on me, especially since I did not have my own parents with me to tell me any better. I was kind of an orphan being taken under the wing of other people's parents -- and since they were all OTs, I thought they knew everything and what they did was the "right" and "correct" thing to do, so when they told me that masturbation was wrong, I stopped doing it -- for many many years. I was probably 16 at that point.

    Also, in the house where I stayed during my first "official" auditing, my friend, who was a couple years younger than I (14) -- she was having a sexual relationship with a 41 year-old that also lived in the house. Her parents knew and gave consent to this. I didn't think it was wrong at that time either but that was because I came from a sexually abusive background myself. I also worked for her parents' computer company and one of the other guys that I worked with (45), was engaged to a 12 year-old and had her OT3 parents' consent. The first time she came into the office to get some money from him for ice cream, she was playing in the street with some friends. I thought she was his daughter and he corrected me, "No that's my fiancee. Isn't she a knock-out?" I admit, she was well developed, but she behaved as a child. I had all kinds of questions for him until my boss (my friend's father, an OT7) told me to leave it alone. I didn't have much choice. I sure thought it was weird though.

    After many other situations like this, even in being approached by middle aged OTs for sex personally before I was an adult, I learned that it was just normal for most Scientologists to use the whole "thetans living billions of years on the whole track" as an excuse for pedophilia - perhaps even if they weren't really pedophiliacs to begin with. Everyone was just "ageless."

    Still, the child abuse in the cult is almost limitless. It's not only sex, it's physical and mental, emotional and I don't think it's reversible for most. IMO. Fucking with formidable years are incredibly damaging. Neglecting kids like that is just insane. They don't get to see or bond with their parents -- or any adults. They are labored too hard and UNLOVED, unseen, and deprived of just about everything a child needs. To have sex with them and turn them into adult objects, brainwash them, and then blame them (make them take responsibility for "being there") ...it's all one big nightmare.

    Oh, I could go on...
     
  17. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron


    Oh :wow: - just :wow: :omg::no::grouch:

    For you :hug::hug::hug: :bighug: And thanks for sharing that.
     
  18. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

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  19. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    " I don't think so "

    You are kidding right ? You somehow think asking an 11 year old girl about using a dildo has some way of getting to what has her stalled on a course ?


    How disgusting that anyone would think that is OK to do something like that to a child and then try to justify such sordid behavior as a 'murder routine'. ( BTW the murder routine has to at least remotely related to the area the overt is being sought !)


    PS : Turns out 99 + % of the time a child is bogged on a course is they are encountering words they have never seen before & it takes real patience to PROPERLY word clear a child & they will not be able to make ADULT check sheet time on a fucking course :angry:

    Ah, what to do when the sups stats suck!
     
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  20. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Perhaps some of this continued long term child abuse came in long after I was gone. I knew there were instances of where there was a singular instance of sexual child abuse & what was always done was bury it, never report it to the police ( as the law requires) but sacrifice the individual for the image of the group.

    While - particularly now - looking back I don't doubt there were some children in relationships with adults & it was known by those around them. It was certainly never anything I knew about, or heard about or would have tolerated. That would resulted in me at the police station & willingly taking an Sp declare & " my future gone " & all that shit.
    Children. Children being sexually abused & sometimes even with their parents condoning it ? ( legally makes no difference - still a crime )! If one of my children was molested & some idiot tried to tell me " well, they are trillions of years old " I issue an ass whipping of 'em on the spot.

    How does a group get to where it is OK to sexually abuse children ?

    Of all the things wrong with scientology - call it soul sucking, call it stealing ones life, call it bankrupting people, breaking up families with disconnection & all the rest of it - isn't allowing sexually molesting children the worst of all ?

    Time for the cult of scientology to no longer exist.
     

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