TRs and The Ganzfeld Effect

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  1. uncover

    uncover Silver Meritorious Patron

    Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    more:
    http://www.psy-journal.com/article/S0165-1781(15)00321-2/abstract

    Hallucinations ?
    Now I know why the Sea-Orgers have to do TR´s before they go to "clear this planet".


    BTW, Happy New Year !
     
  2. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    Great article, but hoo-weee, a lot of new(er) psychological terms and stuff for me here that I had to find out about before I could really get what the article was saying.

    A few basic terms I just learned, so y'all can understand better what this article says (for anyone who didn't already know):

    Strange Face Apparitions:
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ror_gazing_at_one's_own_face_in_schizophrenia [accessed Jan 1, 2016].

    Face Dismorphia (Dysmorphia):
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/01/body.dysmorphic.disorder/

    A Dyad is a group of two, btw.

    So the gist of the article is that they put two people across from each other to look/stare into each other's eyes (like TRs) at low illumination. Within ten minutes or less, the subjects showed dissociative symptoms. Together with the dissociative symptoms, the subjects also exhibited extreme focus/obsession with particular facial flaws or characteristics in the one they faced and were no longer taking in the entire face.

    They found that when patients saw strange things in the other's face or weird distortions of the other's face ('Strange Face Apparitions') that this was NOT related to dissociation or the extreme (dysmorphic) focus/obsession with facial details, but rather, something that snapped a person back to reality and out of that (dangerously) dissociative state.

    Thanks for posting this, Uncover.

    I am absolutely amazed at the massive number of hypnotic techniques tangled into everything Scientological, from the very beginning of TRs and continuing throughout.

    It's even more amazing that so many came out of it without mental illness, but not so surprising that some did not and continued stuck in their hypnotic mental delusions.

    ADDED: For those that don't know, dissociation in Psychology is usually a BAD thing, an indicator of mental illness. These studies are all part of studies dealing with resolving schizophrenia, which is a dissociative mental illness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(psychology)
     
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  3. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    When I first started doing TRs I saw a strange face looking at me. For only a few seconds.

    I just assumed it was someone from my past, whom I was sort-of remembering. I never did figure out who it was.

    I don't consider I was harmed by the experience.

    Helena
     
  4. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    Thanks, Helena.

    According to the article and other references, seeing dead people and other sorts of illusions in the other person's face is not a bad thing. It is not dissociative. It is some sort of portraying personal subconscious things on the other person, but when that starts to happen, it also snaps a person back to present time and reality.

    The researcher is concluding (doesn't make it fact, it's only a limited study) that the part of your brain that causes the illusions is not related to the part of your brain that causes dissociation. The study demonstrates that focus/obsession with just parts of the other person's face IS related to dissociation, though. Not the illusions like seeing dead people.
     
  5. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    What turns it on will turn it off.
     
  6. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    :eyeroll:

    No, Leon. :no:

    Please read more carefully. That's completely inappropriate and has nothing to do with the article.

    Schizophrenia doesn't 'turn off.' Dissociation doesn't always 'turn off', either. It can be progressive, deepening and worsening.

    The illusions aren't related to schizophrenia or dissociation. They are a separate thing. The focus on little things in the other's face IS related to dissociation. That is certainly something to avoid.

    The illusions would 'turn off' because they actually are part of a snap back to reality. I thought that was pretty fascinating. The illusions are apparently not harmful but the focus on details in the other's face can apparently be bad.
     
  7. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    I wouldn't mind doing some more TRs right now, especially TR 0.

    Helena
     
  8. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    Knock yourself out.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. freethinker

    freethinker Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    So more arsenic will cure arsenic poisoning etc.? How simple. :duh:


     
  10. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    This happens to me when I do trs and it doesn't have to be low light I've had it happen in bright light, I have different apparitions depending on the person, and they change, if I relax it happens if I try I can turn it off and see their real face

    It also made me sort of numb and insensitive to the point where I'm shameless and immune to some discussions and things like insults to the point that I would become overly confident and oblivious to any form of self awareness and ignore things I don't want to hear, trains you to be heartless, thoughtless, robotic and unnatural and this is why scientologists are made fun of they become socially awkward, watch Jim Carey in the interview where he makes fun of the glazed over eyes

    I've seen trs turn scientologists into numb, stubborn, annoying overly confident and unnaturally intense, careless potty mouths

    Watch Brian Culkins video where he says flag staff all talk like truckers, trs is part of the reason they are inhumane buffoons


    https://youtu.be/hbZYuOuvyK4

    https://youtu.be/R31Ea2FjKhE

    I prefer homo sapiens over homo novis, scientologists way of communicating is not better than common decent wogs, wogs aren't bad, scientologists are, backward cult training...

    And social veneer as Hubbard calls it as an insult, is known as manners or being polite and its a good thing not bad, he strips away decency, sensitivity and self awareness with trs

    Tr3 teaches them to badger people usually over trivial nonsense...

    Tr4 is ignored in PR tech, in their pr, osa uses bullbait lol!

    Real world pr tech is apologize and make amends, provide a refund and a gift certificate hoping to save the customer, Scientology pr tech is blame the customer, attack the customer, never apologize or make amends/refunds and this makes them a big joke to the world, neurotology LOL
     
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  11. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    I agree. It seems the entire 'EP' of TRs is dissociation from emotions, compassion and the reality of one's own's life and the cherished love of family and friends. 'Scientology eyes' has been a term in use since the 70s to describe that sort of dissociated look, where nothing hurts, nothing has impact. Zombie-ish.

    It's a shame this study only went for ten minutes, but I can see why, considering the initial findings.

    Nobody I ever knew passed TR0 in just ten minutes. It would be interesting to see if the dissociation is even avoidable at all when TRs go on as long as they do in Scientology. My guess is, probably not, and the repetition of them just deepens the dissociation.
     
  12. Hypatia

    Hypatia Pagan

    Re: Science: Co$ TRs lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    When Scios say that, they generally mean small or lesser phenomena like blurriness, etc. They aren't the only ones. Elizabeth Gilbert, in Eat, Pray, Love mentions reciting a sutra every morning in an ashram. Hated it, would break out into a fear sweat and I think there were other manifestations. She eventually made herself go back and do it until she traversed whatever the emotional hangup was.

    (I've also taken out the apostrophe in the title)
     
  13. uncover

    uncover Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    No, no, no..... Leon only wanted to explain why he is still on the Hubbardism-trip. Apparently he is hoping that one day he will become able to stop with Hubbards vomit. If he consumes enough of Hubbards vomit, one day the desire will be gone..... "What turns it (= the desire for Hubbards vomit) on, will turn it off.". See ? :coolwink:
     
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  14. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    I expect all of us who did TRs to any extent are familiar with the visual distortions. By itself, this is probably harmless if not amusing. However, in combination with external influences any disassociation can make a person vulnerable. At 6:50 in the above video, Brian Culkin describes the reg calling him a "fucking ass hole". I call this the "Chicken" technique. Calling someone a chicken, challenging them to prove their loyalty to, and extent of knowledge of Scientology. If you fail, you aren't just insufficient, you are guilty of willing to let all of humanity sink into the spiritual mud for eternity. Membership in Scientology is an ongoing process of proving that you aren't chicken by aspiring to ever higher levels of training, auditing, volunteering, defending, donating, believing and sacrificing. Scientology is by definition the moral high ground. You are expected to know this so if the reg calls you an ass hole then it is implicit that its only because he cares so much for your and everyone else's salvation and is helping you overcome the self destructive influence of your reactive mind and the degrading suppressive values of non-Scientology society.

    I'll venture to say that Ex-Scientologists have analyzed this effect enough to develop an immunity. We could probably do TRs without reverting to mindless drones. But for someone who hasn't been through the organizational meat grinder and consciously assessed the mental techniques, TRs can make them pliable, suggestible, willing to set aside their doubts and critical thinking enough to give ridiculous amounts of money to a reg that calls them an ass hole or to let a recruiter talk them into dedicating their life to the Sea Org in order to save the planet.

    As for the vulgarity, I noticed this migrating down lines from senior management around 1979 and the early 80s coincident with DM starting to exert more influence in the CMO. After 3.5 decades it would not surprise me to find that it was pervasive.
     
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  15. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations


    Yeah, I'd read this. So what?

    What turned it on will turn it off.

    That's just the way it is with mental shit. It's no big deal. It's just the way it is.
     
  16. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations



    . o O ( mental shit )



     
  17. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    Thank you for your observations. I had some new wognitions about the insanity of TRs. The above selected words in red hit home for me. (I was going to say "indicated to me" but that sounds so scientological).

    I have way too many lousy memories from doing way too many TRs over the nine years I was in the cult. Can you say OVERRUN?

    Just last night I was joking and degrading about TRs with a friend who had been in the cult in the same time frame I was in it. We stared at each other with bugged out eyes and spoke robotically to each other and with Tone 40 acks and such. It wasn't long before we burst out laughing. Try it out some time with an ex-scio friend. You'll be glad you did. lol

    I lamented to my friend that what I disliked most about TRO Bullbait was when my coach would crack me up and I knew I had to not react but I WANTED to laugh and crack up because he was so funny and felt so good to laugh. So I was being denied that pleasure. Maybe that's one reason scientologsits are so humorless. It's drilled into them. I feel like I'm "unflat" on those bullbait sessions not because the buttons weren't flattened but because I didn't get to fully laugh out how funny the things were that my coach was presenting me with.

    I feel like there could be a book deconstructing and exposing what TRs are really all about. There's been plenty of discussion about them on this board. A culling of all the keen observations into one book would be beneficial.

    Even today I still feel like there are some untapped insidious mysteries hidden in the TR's teck that I haven't discovered yet.
     
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  18. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    lol wognitions are the best!
     
  19. AngeloV

    AngeloV Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    At worst, TRs can cause those reactions stated in the OP.
    At best, they are a complete waste of time and provide zero benefits, especially 'communication' benefits as they are touted to do.

    I'd rather clean out an overflowing cat litter box then do a TR.

    Speaking of which, I better go check....
     
  20. JGB

    JGB Patron

    Re: Science: Co$ TR´s lead to dissociation and hallucinations

    I had no problems with TRs. In fact they were fun to do. When I first did TR 0 my twins face turned into Bugs Bunny wearing glasses! I never laughed so hard in my life. I also went exterior doing OT TR0 & TR0! Plus I have seen so many other people had great wins doing TRs.

    It appears people forgot what the TRs were for. To keep the PC in session!
     

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