What's the macroscopic idea of Scientology?

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  1. bigdix

    bigdix New Member

    What is the overall theory of scientology? I was never a member, but this has fascinated me for some time now. As I understand it, LRH has all these different stories that happened trillions of years ago, but he admits that we are a very primitive society today. I've seen stories about Chimps and airplanes that were from a trillion years ago, but airplanes weren't even around 100 years ago. So who are we today? How old is the Earth and us on it?

    postscript- sorry if I don't belong here bc i was never a member and sound stupid, I am genuinely curious.
  2. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's kind of a loaded question. Do you mean what is the overall theory behind the mythology or the theory behind the con?

    You see, because we all live over and over, we have this tendency to recreate the things that we experienced in previous lives. This is why the trains and hats that we used on some far away planet millions of years ago will look very much like what we have here on earth. Of course, this simply may be because it is easier to not improvise and get creative about things that don't exist and haven't even been thought of or patented yet like the internet and just tell people that things are the way they are because we are recreating old wholetrack memories.

    Does that clear things up for you?

    ...and welcome!
  3. Enthetan

    Enthetan Mutant

    The big "hook" of the con was the idea that we are much more powerful than we think.

    That was what was initially laid out by the first Dianetics book, that we are inherently very smart beings, and that there are these things called engrams which cripple us from seeing our true abilities.

    This idea is very attractive to a lot of people. The essence of a con is to tell a person what he wants to hear, to tell him that he really can get his heart's desire. This then blinds many people from seeing the con as a con.

    Everything else builds on this. Every new bit is an effort by the conman to explain why we're not seeing the promised results yet.
  4. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    It's all on wikileaks

    Save you some time...

    Its about becoming a cloned sheep of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard

    Before you do that you might want to find out what kind of person he was

    I'd start with the book Bare Faced Messiah
  5. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    The macroscopic idea of Scientology.

    We are human beings looking to improve our conditions.

    $cientology picks open scabs of the pasts and gets them to bleed. Then sells you the solution.

    When you pay a lot of money to the Scientology, INC religion:whistling:, and invest a ton of your time..and study the loaded language so think in Scientologese....you will actually go into a Scientology valence...or personality of a cult member.

    When you are around something all the time, speaking the special language and investing money and time....your mind will BELIEVE....and you will "want to go clear"...even though you have NEVER seen or met anyone that had the powers of a clear promised by Scientology's founder - L Ron Hubbard. NOT ONE!

    Scientology is a "smoke and mirror" Dog and Pony Show...calling itself a religion so it can hide its hideous crimes behind the Religious Cloak...

    Scientology - a very precise science of con...

    $cientology - $elling hope on a rope...dangling it like a carrot on a stick with promises to flat line your mind and give you super powers

    Eventually you lose your ability to make your own decisions, think for yourself, and speak freely..but you won't realize that Scientology has taken all of that away.

    You will be trapped with the tentacles of Scientology wrapped so tight around you and your life - it will be virtually impossible to escape...

    $cientology KILLS! $cientology shatters minds, ruins lives and destroys hope.
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    To answer your question "What's the macroscopic idea of Scientology?" Well, it's to go Clear and then OT per the Bridge to Total Freedom Chart, every scientologists believes one can do this, that is go Clear and then OT.

    (Is it true or false you have to ask yourself with proof.)

    Here it is, the macroscopic, but not really, unless you can prove otherwise :


  7. Hypatia

    Hypatia Pagan

    It's a hodgepodge of a lot of different things. And all those things contributed to the beliefs. On alt.religion.scientology (which was probably-isn't any more- the first major critical discussion forum) they used to say "is it a floorwax or a dessert topping?". It's as difficult to pin down as nailing jello to the wall.
  8. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    It's all on wikileaks

    You want a summary of Hubbard's beliefs

    Scientology is Hubbard's way of replacing your thoughts, values, beliefs, philosophy, etc. with his own, making you his sheep clone and slave

    He believed he was Buddha see his book hymn of Asia


    He believed he was the Antichrist see ot8 the original not the new version covered in the book Lucifer's bridge


    He did not believe he was a human he thought he was a god he believed we create the universe and it's a trap and his goal is to escape being human and this universe

    He thought demon spirits were trapping him in his body and this universe, see this recording of his auditing research


    Many words summarize it

    Destructive cult
    Extreme idealism

    Members tell you it's a monopoly on the only workable spiritual technology mankind​ has which will save mankind.

    People have offered millions for them to prove ot powers or a clear as described by Hubbard.

    There are no clinical trials.

    The FDA I think forced them to put a sticker on emeters basically said they do nothing

    In their own contacts you essentially have to agree that Scientology does nothing

    You can learn their secrets on wikileaks and talk about them but if a member talks about them their contract says they have to pay $100k each time they mention it?

    Get past the celebrity and secrets and blah blah blah and propaganda and it's a goofy destructive UFO cult that only survives inside a very fragile bubble of delusion and requires members have no thoughts of their own or outside contact

    Within that context it can be a fanciful empowering literally photoshopped dream with peak experiences and millions of members around the world at events every week singing praises and gloating about changing the entire world and saving mankind and you give speeches about how powerful you are too and they all applaud you, you believe you are an immortal and all powerful and it's you that's smart and strong and outsiders are the weak fools, only scientologists can control the universe with their mind and are the most ethical people on the planet

    Ironically Scientology does not make the news much when they do is a fluff piece

    Outside their own property investments they might try starting schools or drug rehab but they fail and get sued and people realize these small outreach programs are for photo ops

    After they make a video about saving some part of the world that project is over and disappears

    When I was in they implied they were converting all Buddhists on earth and taking over all prisons in Mexico couple other countries, now they are converting Muslims

    The world is watching and waiting for them to do something

    So far they have just bought or built big fancy buildings that are empty, go into one and look for yourself

    The sea org are mostly very old or very young foreigners mostly joined to get a religious Visa because American kids have internet and know the scam and they're in because they need room and board

    Honestly the best way to learn it is to join and do it

    Go in and join and see how far you can get in 10 years

    Maybe you'll become a god

    For sure you can come back with some great stories to tell lol

    Before you join learn it all on wikileaks you'll have a huge head start on those fools but don't tell them you did that or they will kick you out

    most scientologists have no freaking clue what Scientology is they are scared to read the leaks online they literally believe it could kill them lol

    What would the world be like if everyone was a scientologist?

    Go visit any Sea org building and that's it, people making $50 a week if they're lucky, wearing the same uniforms and working 100 hours a week

    When you're too old to work they get rid of you

    If you don't work hard you go to their prison camp called the rpf until the thought reform program turns you back into a slave
  9. bigdix

    bigdix New Member

    wow, thanks for all the replies! Where did all this language and nomenclature come from? I notice he was very adamant on you looking up words you don't know and there seems to be a A LOT.
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor


    Hubbard's overall theory is that:

    You are a GOD!!!

    But you are a stupid GOD that f*cked yourself up trillions of years ago--thus you lost all your memory and superpowers.

    Now you are a DEGRADED BEING that can't do anything.

    But, wait! You actually can finally do one thing right to return back to your glorious home (universe). You can go away on a cosmic scavenger hunt--and if you successfully bring [STRIKE]The Wizard[/STRIKE] Ron back [STRIKE]the witches broom[/STRIKE] $500,000, then you will be a God again.

    For your $500,000, you receive a bona fide Magic Lamp that you can rub an infinite number of times and immediately receive your every single [STRIKE]wish[/STRIKE] postulate.

    Whoa! Know ye that the magic lamp is so magical that it is invisible.

    And if you ever mention that the Magic Lamp doesn't work or that it might not even exist, you will be viciously attacked and destroyed by Ron's fanatics--in order to save mankind and evil beings like you along with it.

    Because, really you weren't a GOD all along. You were actually the opposite of a GOD, an SP.

    But the good news is the tech worked and that we identified and declared another SP (you) that only wanted to sabotage Ron's Magic Lamp project throughout the universe. ​
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2017
  11. Demented Hubbatd

    Demented Hubbatd Patron with Honors

    The overall theory can be summed up in one phrase -- you give us your money, and we will teach you how to talk to the spirits (thetans). You have to pay tons of money before the spirits will start talking to you. American Indians can reach the same objective for much less money -- they smoke certain mushrooms and talk to the spirits of the dead. It would cost you no more than $50 to buy a mushroom that puts you on The Bridge to Total Freedom. Just compare it to $500,000 that you have to pay to CoS to get on the same Bridge.
  12. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    To sell a person their own spiritual enlightenment.
  13. Elronius of Marcabia

    Elronius of Marcabia Silver Meritorious Patron

    Overall theory is simple its a messianic salvation cult with Hubbard as the next bhuddha.

    What's your fascination with it ?
  14. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here it is in a nutshell.

    Hubbard created a complex Belief System (BS) that manipulates your HOPES and your FEARS to get you to believe in and WANT things that do not exist (Clear, OT, Superhuman abilities). It is geared to make you want to spend your life and all your money chasing unattainable rainbows, until you are bankrupt. This same system will then destroy you with disconnection and harassment if you criticize or publicly speak out to expose its tactics.

    Scientology is a trap with bait that seems harmless and even helpful. The trap itself is deadly.
  15. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Only Ron has THE ANSWER!

    Everything you know is wrong.

    Anything anyone else has to say is wrong.



  16. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Buying the OT Levels isn't as simple as paying $500,000.00 on the barrel head, doing the training and auditing and getting your cert. Everything that leads up to this is a vetting process. You will have been security checked on the e-meter so thoroughly that they will know everything about you, all your sexual activity, who you know and if they are a threat, any thoughts that might be remotely deviant against Scientology. When at Flag it is policy that you must only stay and pay at Scientology hotel facilities which can be expected to be more expensive than comparable hotel or independent services - and where you will be under the constant eye of ethics officers and registrars. You must develop a Scientological street cred by doing ethics conditions, volunteering, demonstrating, disconnecting and striking effective blows against the enemy by doing such things as ratting out family and friends who post anything critical about Scientology on their Facebook pages. It isn't enough to just pay for services - you are expected to donate just for the sake of donating to the IAS Fund so the Church can pay expensive lawyers to fight SPs and to buy or renovate ostentatious buildings. If they know you have the money they will demand donations that exceed the cost of going OT. If you claim a lack of money they will demand that you go into debt because by virtue of doing Scientology you will attain the ability to make enough money to pay off the debt. If you challenge or disagree with anything, not giving a glowing win after every service can risk your eligibility to do the OT Levels.

    OT Levels at Wikileaks:


  17. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    LRH said that these new words were necessary in order to avoid associating Scientology with other failed human (read: wog) ideas that came a cropper. For example, if you say "spirit" that may evoke a Christian or Buddhist concept of a spirit and all the kicked in the head teachings that made them eat crow, so he used "thetan" as part of a uniquely Scientological construct. BTW, I don't ever recall using the term "Scientological" as a Scientologist but it is now showing up as a word in an internet search so I guess there is a whole nomenclature building up around off the cuff Scientology nomenclature - the irony.

    Of course, full immersion in a nomenclature that other people can't associate with is one of the basic characteristics of a controlling cult. Scientology is a rat race. Everyone is competing for something and one-upmanship over the ability to use nomenclature and quote LRH exactly is very high on the list. It is an inside joke that we can tell where people are on a checklist or course by the words they use and so it is here that we enjoy sprinkling them into posts like a secret handshake.

    We expended good money and labor to learn this stuff - shouldn't be wasted.
  18. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron


    I've never heard that one.

    Eating? :eyeroll:

    Smoking? :no:
  19. NoIdea

    NoIdea Patron

    My take:

    Part I:

    You were an all powerful being. But you got bored. So you created some problems to occupy yourself with. But you were really good at creating problems and here you are.

    Part II:

    If you pay enough money and spend all your time in Scientology, you can get back to being bored again.
  20. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Sounds appealing to those with big personal egos. Some people want to hear others tell them they are a god or goddess so badly, they'd mortgage their homes, spend their kids' college funds, go into debt and even ruin their families just to hear it.

    Vanity can be an expensive habit.

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