Why do auditors stop auditing

[Mimsey Borogrove]

My wife and I were musing (a friendly term for the bitching or carping older folks do) about an auditor we knew that ceased auditing - she was a Flag trained auditor. She dumped her auditor post on her junior and my wife thought it was telling - was she not getting results? I thought it had to do with the stress of being an auditor - the incessant crams, the production targets, the red tag BS, and all of the rigmarole. My wife thought it was that she wasn't seeing enough results to make it worth her while. Whatever it was, she said she was "done" with auditing others.

Is this something you have seen or decided? What was the reason to call it quits?

Mimsey

 

[Gib]

My wife and I were musing (a friendly term for the bitching or carping older folks do) about an auditor we knew that ceased auditing - she was a Flag trained auditor. She dumped her auditor post on her junior and my wife thought it was telling - was she not getting results? I thought it had to do with the stress of being an auditor - the incessant crams, the production targets, the red tag BS, and all of the rigmarole. My wife thought it was that she wasn't seeing enough results to make it worth her while. Whatever it was, she said she was "done" with auditing others.

Is this something you have seen or decided? What was the reason to call it quits?

Mimsey

welcome to the land of "hard sell" in scientology. LOL (not you Mims)

W/O "hard sell" people give up because of "no results". LOL

You know, "hard sell" means "caring about the person". LOL

Hard Sell sure seems to violate word of mouth.

 

[Leland]

welcome to the land of "hard sell" in scientology. LOL (not you Mims)

W/O "hard sell" people give up because of "no results". LOL

You know, "hard sell" means "caring about the person". LOL

Hard Sell sure seems to violate word of mouth.

LoL....YES, Hard sell does violate word of mouth.....

 

[Gib]

Here's another answer-----------

no results from the stated EP's, for which the EP's as shown on the grade chart for which is of course evaluation.

 

[Gib]

Here's another answer, because evidently auditors realize after many hours of auditing another

that there are no clears or OT's.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Yes, but I ran grade stuff and my pc's had wins - why would an auditor quit? Aren't they seeing wins in their PC's?

( I just ran out of time in the day to run a business, and solo and and and...)

I was talking to a shrink (when I was still on lines - horror of horrors) and the reason she gave up being a psychologist was her patients would tell her their problems, she would come up with great advice for them and they would never take it. And then they would come back to tell her the same problems again.

That I can understand. But these were "supposedly" good pc wins found in any HGC, yet, she's "done" with auditing after all the years she spent achieving a high level of competence.

Mimsey

 

[Mystic]

A few "auditors" discover they are committing evil, that "auditing" itself is evil, and quit.

 

[Mystic]

And also discover the great "cognition" is nothing more than a minor euphoric hallucination.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

A few "auditors" discover they are committing evil, that "auditing" itself is evil, and quit.

That may be the case, but this auditor had no problems soloing on OT 7. So I doubt she thought it was evil.

Mimsey

 

[Mystic]

That may be the case, but this auditor had no problems soloing on OT 7. So I doubt she thought it was evil.

Mimsey

Ya, Mimsey. "Projection of intention". Standard "blackmagic" practice. Double, double, toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble.

"MY WILL SHALL BE DONE!"...and all that rot.

 

[whoisxenu]

"Here's another answer, because evidently auditors realize after many hours of auditing another

that there are no clears or OT's."


OR

Surely the planet has been cleared by now? I mean, it's only been like 64 years since Dianetics. And the stats are always straight up and vertical. Aren't they?

 

[Mystic]

"Here's another answer, because evidently auditors realize after many hours of auditing another

that there are no clears or OT's."


OR

Surely the planet has been cleared by now? I mean, it's only been like 64 years since Dianetics. And the stats are always straight up and vertical. Aren't they?

Very, whois, none at all. And never will be. Some folks occasionally have a psychic experience and get to egobloat: "Oh what an OT am I!"

 

[Dean Blair]

Personally I audited professionally for twenty years. I very much enjoyed it and honestly felt I was one of the most valuable beings on the planet.

I never felt rewarded for all of the work I did. I was often not paid and could not support myself or my family. I left the Sea Org and began earning a living doing something else. I still wanted to audit as I felt there were some really good wins to be had on the lower levels but when I left staff I was spending my free time on the first and second dynamic selfishly.

About five years ago I began my research on the internet and after having discovered the truth that had been purposely hidden from me I decided that I would never audit again nor would I ever do anything in Scientology. It is a fraud. The wins are an apparentcy. I feel that anyone auditing these days is still hypnotized and under the influence of a delusional reality and can only hope that one day they will all wake up and see the truth as I have been fortunate enough to have seen

 

[Mystic]

Yeah, Dean, I very know what you mean.

I've done around 28,000 hours in the chair as an "auditor", and, even tho I've done this before, I want to take this opportunity to do it again:

I apologize to any and all supposed "PCs/PreOTs" for my making "auditing" work on them. Forgive me, for I was just another asshole.

 

[Mystic]

My goodness, how many "OTs" can say:

 

[Helena Handbasket]

the reason she gave up being a psychologist was her patients would tell her their problems, she would come up with great advice for them and they would never take it. And then they would come back to tell her the same problems again.

Yes, but did they ask for advice? Just telling someone your problems is not the same as asking for advice. Sometimes we just need to talk about our problems and that gives us the energy to carry on and stop right there, thank you very much.

Helena

 

[Student of Trinity]

Contrary to the trope of people being 'in therapy' for decades, I'm pretty sure that most counseling psychologists want to help people get through a difficult time and move on successfully. At least in my experience, they don't assume that the default human state is being stuck somehow. They seem to assume that normality is getting things done and making progress toward whatever one's goals are. They're trying to put another shoulder to the rear bumper to get your car out of that sandpit, so you can drive on. Then they'll wave goodbye.

The two counselors I've talked to seemed to believe so strongly that success is the default, that if someone was stuck with a long-lasting problem, they would suspect that the problem wasn't really a problem: it was probably actually a solution. Not necessarily an optimal solution, but a solution that worked for the person, a way they'd found of making their lives manageable. So some of the counselor's work would be in helping the person understand how and why they themselves were at least to some extent working to maintain their problem, because at least in some ways that problem was a working solution to some other problem. If the person wasn't really happy with this situation, then the counselor would try to help them find a better solution to the second problem, so that the first problem would become unnecessary, and thus a lot more easy to solve in its turn.

I'm sure it can be very rewarding for a counselor to help someone through a process like that, but then it must also be miserable to have to deal with someone who doesn't actually want to find a better solution, doesn't want to change their lives, but just wants to feel better about the lives they have. I think that wanting that is pretty much like just wanting a drug. I think most counselors are trained and motivated to be like surgeons, trying to fix things, not like palliative care specialists, who are only there to ease chronic pain until the end. So I think most counselors are indeed likely to be depressed about clients who don't actually want to change anything except their own feelings.

 

[Enthetan]

My wife and I were musing (a friendly term for the bitching or carping older folks do) about an auditor we knew that ceased auditing - she was a Flag trained auditor. She dumped her auditor post on her junior and my wife thought it was telling - was she not getting results? I thought it had to do with the stress of being an auditor - the incessant crams, the production targets, the red tag BS, and all of the rigmarole. My wife thought it was that she wasn't seeing enough results to make it worth her while. Whatever it was, she said she was "done" with auditing others.

Is this something you have seen or decided? What was the reason to call it quits?

Mimsey

If she's a Scn org auditor, it may be because of the amount of pressure and lack of rewards. If the PCs are happy, you get demands for putting in more hours. If the PCs are unhappy, then you're in trouble. There is a great temptation to just say "screw it".

If you're a field auditor, you are even more screwed.

 

[He-man]

My guess is that most people stop auditing people once they get out of the cult due to

1. It doesn't work - and who likes working with a "tool" that is substandard. not to mention being made fun of.

2. Lack of people to pull into it. the more time that comes along the less people are inoculated to B.S parapsycho bull. Especially parapsycho bull connected to scientology.

I'd say there's at least a couple of hundred thousands people out there who has trained and stopped somewhere along the gradechart still alive who never does it, considering how long the scam has run. In my wog life I've only ever encountered one other person who had any connection to scientology and he saw auditing more as something funny, like a magic trick he could show friends over a drink or two.

 

[Enthetan]

There's also the fact that most people now seem to have heard of Scn (something that was not the case in the 70's) and think it's a weird cult and want nothing to do with it. This makes it harder to find low-level PCs.