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ANZO "Old Timers" treated like Crap by David Miscavige

Discussion in 'David Miscavige and Current Management' started by Blownforgood, Sep 8, 2009.

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  1. Blownforgood

    Blownforgood Patron

    This is a story from the Int Base for all the guys out in ANZO. This will have slightly more significance for all of the ex’s out there as it concerns some of the “royalty” of ANZO old timer scientology families. I will try and keep it mainly about the ANZO guys that were at the Int Base.

    So there are a few families that have been around forever in ANZO. Children and grand children of at least two of those families ended up at the Int Base. The two families I am talking about were the Conleys and the Allens. From the Conley side, you would have Gary Conley, Gary was the son of Jim and Kaye Conley. Kaye’s sister Cherie was Kate Ceberano’s mum. For all of those outside on ANZO, Kate Ceberano is the aussie superstar recording artist that has had several platinum record albums and regularly shills for the Scilons every chance she gets. Okay so Jim and Kaye were in PR in LA. They would routinely get put on high profile PR jobs such as representing for Scilons at the 1988 LA Olympics all the way to taking care of LRH’s old house in Arizona. Jim and Kaye were both in the Sea Org. Their son Gary, also in the Sea Org would reach the highlight of his Sea Org career in the late 1980’s when he was the Inspector General MAA in RTC. He worked directly for COB and the IG – Marty Rathbun. He was basically the highest MAA post on the planet.

    As for the Allens, there was Lisa and Kate. They were the twin daughters of Elaine Allen. Elaine Allen had been in ANZO from day one and was supposedly the first registered Scientology minister in Victoria as of May 1977. Both Lisa and Kate had their ups and downs and were regularly in trouble at the Int Base. In the early 1990’s they would both end up busted off of their posts in CMO Int and end up posted in Golden Era Productions, the so called bottom feeders of the Int Base. Kate would end up being an electrician and Lisa was posted as the Director’s Assistant in the Cine Division were they produced all of the videos and films for Scilonville. Their brother Shaun, worked in OSA in LA. I think there was another sister, but I am not sure where she worked.

    Kate was married to this very cool Swedish guy in the Estates Division named Matz Markowitz. Matz was an engineer and could probably fix anything. Matz was never going to be anything but an engineer and was a good worker. Kate looked out of place in Electrical and had hopes of getting out of there one day.

    Gary Conley would also take a fall - literally. After being busted out of RTC and posted in the Estates Division, the bottom feeders of Golden Era, Gary was working high up in the ceiling of the garage building cleaning the rafters. Without a safety cable or any kind of harness, you can guess what happened. He slipped and fell to the hard concrete below and shattered both ankles and his feet in several different places. Doctors told him he would be lucky to ever walk again, and after several years in a wheelchair, he actually did, with an odd limp, but he did end up walking.

    Gary ended up being posted in the E-Meter manufacturing building I think mainly due to the fact that sitting down was the only kind of work he could do now. The only light in Gary’s life at this point seemed to be that Kate Ceberano was his cousin. He had her music cassettes and would force us to listen to them every chance he got. He would constantly have to remind people who the hell it was as she was popular in ANZO but had never been heard of in the states.

    While Kate was slaving away in Estates and Gary was rolling around the Int Base, Lisa had bigger and better plans. She used her connections on the Director’s Assistant post to get in good with COB RTC and slowly rose up the ranks until 10 years later, she would become the Commanding Officer Gold. Lisa would regularly tell stories about her mum back in ANZO and how she was the Commanding Officer at the Advanced Org there. Her mum, Elaine Allen had met LRH in 1973 aboard the Apollo and was an old school Scilon and had been working in Scilonville well before David Miscavige was knee high to a grasshopper. Her being the CO AOSH ANZO was no surprise and as far as anyone was concerned, she would hold that post until she died.

    Lisa was married to a guy named Paul Schroer. Paul was in RTC during the time where Vicki Aznaran was COB RTC and therefore when Dave Miscavige showed up, he promptly busted everyone out of RTC that worked with Vicki. Paul was one of these people. Because Paul had this past stigma stuck to him, no matter what he did, no matter where he was posted, every time he ended up doing anything that Dave Miscavige was involved in, he would end up getting in trouble.

    The situation with Paul came to a head in the early 2000’s. Paul was the Director of A/V Manufacturing and Lisa was the CO Gold. David Miscavige had this big plan to re-release all LRH lectures on CDs was going down to A/V manufacturing just about every day to check on where things stood. Paul had no chance. David Miscavige was going off on a trip somewhere and had a message for Lisa. David Miscavige told Lisa, “You get rid of him or I am not coming back!” She had to take Paul off post and send him to the PAC RPF, or COB RTC was not going to come back to the Int Base. It was unclear to some if David Miscavige realized that Lisa was married to Paul. We knew that he knew. This was another one of his sick twisted ways he did shit. Get the Wife to RPF her own husband because David Miscavige was sick of him and had been sick of him since the day he became COB RTC just because Paul had worked for his nemesis, Vicki Aznaran. Paul did end up going to the RPF in PAC and Lisa divorced him so that she could keep in good graces with David Miscavige.

    As if that was not enough, one day Lisa was told by someone in CMO INT that her mom had been flown to LA from ANZO for an ethics handling. When Lisa inquired further about this, she found that her mum was being routed into the RPF for Out-2D! Now while I have no doubt that older people can still get it on as good as the next person, her mum was in her 60’s. She was the CO of a Sea Org installation and that last thing that a 60 year old woman that works over a hundred hours a week is going to have time for is to get some nookie on the side. Lisa could not believe this. It was one of those things that just did not make any sense. Lisa was going to LA for something else and arranged to meet her mum down in PAC.

    “CO GOLD here to see Elaine Allen,” Lisa said into the security console at the Horseshoe in PAC. Dressed in the RPF black shorts and T-shirt her mum came out of the Big Blue building escorted by another RPF’er. They had not seen each other in many years and now the circumstance were not at all good. They both cried and hugged. Then Lisa asked what the hell was going on. Elaine proceeded to tell her about some stupid Ethics Mission that had been sent from Management to yell at everybody in the AO and get the stats up. Typical of Scilon upper management that they send out some green weenies from LA that had never worked in an org before, only been in the Sea Org a few years, and only knew what David Miscavige’s “ Ideal Orgs” should be like and anything short of that was a criminal activity that should be destroyed. Elaine was none too impressed by these guys and they saw her as an enemy. When the stats for the AO were down, they piled into a room and put Elaine on the meter. Gang Bang Sec Check. After hours of yelling at Elaine and accusing her of having sex with a public Scilon, Elaine joked, “Yeah that’s it, I went Out-2D!” They had their confession! Even though they knew Elaine was being facetious and not serious, they rolled with it and wrote up the whole back story and even picked out some local public guy that they knew Elaine had met with before. This was it. After more than 30 years of dedicating her life to Scilonville, she was going to go to the RPF in Los Angeles for something that she never did by some kids from Hungary that joined the Sea Org 2 years ago so that they could get free room and board. After Elaine told the whole story to Elaine, Lisa was pissed. Lisa had enough power to maybe make this right again and told Elaine this. Elaine was upset, The Ethics Mission in ANZO had already spread the lies about Elaine. They had also screwed up enough other stuff at the AO that it was doomed at this point anyway. The org had already not been doing well, the new programs coming down from Int management had all but closed the place down anyway. Elaine was tired of being the hard ass Sea Org member. She wanted a break. Too bad the PAC RPF would be the furthest thing from that.

    While Elaine did not want to do the RPF, she did not want to go back to ANZO either. It was a lose lose situation. Elaine was getting on and the RPF was the last place that an older person should be. Elaine could not believe how many old Sea Org members were on the RPF in PAC. Back, knee, and hip problems were the order of the day down there. Elaine was worried that she would end up broken and disposed of down in PAC. They hugged some more and Lisa said that she would have some stuff sent down to her mum to help her along until this whole thing got sorted out.

    When Lisa got back to the Int Base, she went up to CMO INT. She asked a whole bunch of questions and tried to find out who sent the mission, who the people on the mission were and everything about this mess that landed her mum up on the PAC RPF. The dust was still settling from all the destruction these guys had caused and the CMO INT people told Lisa that they would let her know as much as they could find out.

    Meanwhile an International Event was being pre-produced at the Int Base and David Miscavige wanted to review some footage in the Edit bays and Lisa had to go meet with him there.

    Often, when David Miscavige would come into the edit bays to review an editor the latest music score for a video, he would make small talk or lay into someone before the review started. Today would be no different. As he sat there waiting for a few more people to show up, he started making small talk with Lisa.

    “So did you hear about this old slut in ANZO?” David Miscavige says. “Yeah, we’ve had a mission down there and they put this chick on the meter and she confessed to all this lurid shit. Turns out this old hag down in ANZO has been fucking this big FSM down there and smoking his pole every chance she got. And she like 60 years old! She was the fucking CO of the AO! No wonder my new programs have not been getting done. Anyway, I could not believe it ” David Miscavige laughs as he recounts the story.

    Everyone in the room besides David Miscavige is quiet. Pretty much everyone knows that Elaine was Lisa’s mum. Lisa is stunned into total silence and just stands there as he talks. He is oblivious as he flings out insult after insult.

    Knowing that Lisa once hailed from Down Under he asks, “Did you know this bitch?”

    “Yes, Sir. She is my mother Sir.” Lisa answered. You could see David Miscavige squirm for a second there. Here he was in a good mood and just trash talking about some old dag down in ANZO and all the sudden he is being made out to look like the bad guy here.

    “Not really? She is your mom? I had no idea, really I didn’t.” David Miscavige knew that even his normal vulgar insensitive banter was over the line this time. He was literally shitting all over her mom and to top it all off, it was all bullshit.

    “Lisa Allen is my maiden name Sir.” Lisa tells him so he can connect the dots.

    After Lisa explained to him the whole story, he said that he would check into it and sort it out. He never did. Elaine stayed on the RPF. She did end up having the normal pains that 60 year old people have that work over 100 hours per week. On the RPF you are not allowed to walk. You have to run everywhere you go. Most RPF’ers have perfected the fast walk that looks like a light jog, but either way they are not walking. To add insult to injury, the RPF are not allowed to use the elevators. The RPF work in the basement and their showers and berthing are on the 6th floor. So in the best case scenario, you have these people jogging up at least 12 flights of stairs daily just to get to get to and from their rooms.

    What’s the point of all this? I guess there is no point. This is just how David Miscavige ruins lives on a daily basis. It does not matter where they are from. I am aware that there are people in ANZO that are on the fence as to what they should do in regards to Scientology. I thought that many of them would know of the Allens and the Conleys. Obviously the Rinders are also old time ANZO Scientologists, but most people know about Mike Rinder and his departure from the organization.

    I know there may even be some people out there in ANZO that hated Elaine Allen. She might have been a hard ass that no one liked. She was still someone’s mother and she was still a person. While there might be such a thing as Karma and she might have gotten what she deserved in the end, it does not mean that people can be treated like animals and this stuff should be allowed to take place in a modern day world.

    To all those fence sitters out there in ANZO, is this what you signed up to support? As long as the money stops or slows flowing up the line to David Miscavige, new random programs will continue to come out. More and more people will disappear to the RPF in LA and you will be forced to buy things that you already have and get new E-Meters that put the old one to shame etc. More and more families will be disconnected and more and more people will be hurt by this organization.

    What will it take for you to face reality? And I am not talking about the one you “created.”

    No wucking furries eh?

    Until next time...
  2. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for the data, Mark - yep, hope it gets some people here in Oz to look seriously at what they're getting from "The Most Ethical Group in the Universe.":duh:
  3. Cherished

    Cherished Silver Meritorious Patron

    Man, that's horrible. It's horrible no matter how old the person is, but an older person who has served the CoS for decades getting that kind of treatment... it's just particularly wrong. Unjust. Evil.

    So, where are all those people now, BFG? Any idea?
  4. Thalkirst

    Thalkirst Patron with Honors


    thanks, I just got a confirmation on where this attitude is coming from. This kind of "briefing" about people about people recently busted was done frequently by EU execs as well.

    BTW, do you know who the two Hungarian missionaires were?

  5. Blownforgood

    Blownforgood Patron

    I don't know where the missionaires were from. I doubt that they were actually from Hungary, I was just making a point. They could be out now as well. Who knows. No disrespect to Hungary - I hung out with all kinds of Hungarians when I was in AOSH EU back in 1995.

    Elaine supposedly graduated from the RPF in 2008 after being there for 5-6 years.

    Until next time..
  6. Cherished

    Cherished Silver Meritorious Patron

    Did Lisa stay at Int, BFG?
  7. thetaCannon

    thetaCannon Patron

    Unbelievable!! My jaw dropped several times during that story. :ohmy:
  8. minnie

    minnie Patron with Honors

    Elaine never personally gave me much trouble, but I saw her giving it to others. I liked her sense of humour among other things. No matter what post she had, she really dedicated herself to it. Whenever I wonder how she is doing on the RPF I recall the times I saw her eating breakfast by herself in the galley, looking rather lonely, before going on post. Her sense of duty and self-sacrifice would strike me.

    It is unfitting that an employee of that level of dedication to any organisation should now be slaving away in a gulag with little to no access to her children and other privileges/rights for a number of years. What a betrayal. It must be hard for her to keep on waxing enthusiastic in there.

    Edit: glad to hear she's off the RPF!
  9. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for this, BFG. I can think of a few people who should read this. I'll send it to them.
  10. Sir Facer

    Sir Facer Patron with Honors

    Full on posting.....

    I know & have heard of some of the people you have spoken about in this thread, and thankyou for posting this, as I did wonder what the hell was behind Elaine leaving, and this is just gross, and is the second time I have heard of someone gang sec checked like this and made to admit an out 2D that never happenned.

    Wow how desparate the SO idiots get to find a why when they dont have one:omg:

    I was just disgusted at how the Chair man of the board conducts himself and how he speaks of those who made him so much $$$$ all these years.

    If you read this COB you pathetic little excuse for a human, I can not wait till you get locked up and someone takes you as their bitch in a prison cell so you too can feel the constant bang of hatred you currently dish out (Also I hear they dont give prisoners any lubrication).......

    My advice DM is, if this is all true don't you ever think about Karma? If its not true you have nothing to worry about...but remember that all people have their limits and then we turn into hundreds & then thousands and then you will have the 20% left that are just totally effect to you and I wonder to my self....UM where ya gonna run:omg:

    One thing I got out of this is it makes total sense why some of the CMO & SO crew I have met are all such smart ass biatchs with no soul & those that had any soul never made it.......
  11. Supra

    Supra Patron

    Good one DM --- NOT


    Thanks from me as well BFG
  12. Outethicsofficer

    Outethicsofficer Silver Meritorious Patron

    Good post BFG

    Well this struck home to me, I met Jim Conley a couple of times, once when he accompanied Rev Alfreddie Johnson out to ANZO after he won the Freedom Medal some years back. Jim is a great guy also got to meet his sister Jenny when she was briefly on staff at ACT again many years ago.

    This weekend there is a protest in Sydney, I am going to attend, reading this thread makes it even more important to attend, for me at least, I have spoken to a few others I know and they have said they will come. I have decided to wear something bright and yellow, to make a point! I would urge as many other exes as will come to the protest to come as well, there is a link on the ESMB you can click to find details. Hope to see as many exes there as possible:)

    I have friends still in who are headed toward the 60yr age bracket and this is a glimpse of the future that awaits them. I don't want that for them. So we can stand up now and say enough is enough. A small time spent at a protest is a step in that direction.:)


  13. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    BFG, I know/knew all the people you have spoken of in this op. - Thanks for the info. :)

    I loved Elaine in the early '80s. I recall shouting her a ticket to an outdoor Simon and Garfunkel concert at the Sydney Football Stadium back then - We had to wangle it to get her out for the night, but we made up some wonky excuse about why we needed her, and we had a great night.

    Years went by, and the pressure went on, and I saw her become a different person. The "Elaine" I knew was gone. We were no longer friends, and she conducted herself in a way that a friend wouldn't. She was under enormous pressure, and did things I will never forget.

    I understand now though, how and why that came about. I would so love for her to get out and 'restore' her own self, and then I'd love to have the chance to see her now, put my gripes on the table, talk with her about what a bitch she was, and love her anyway - We used to be friends.

    Elaine wasn't/isn't a target for what went down - She was a typical 'casualty' of the whole scene who sold her soul, IMO, and then later she copped it herself. Knowing how the CofS works, she probably copped it at a time when she was trying to do the right thing, not the wrong one. I feel for her and hope she gets some respite, sooner rather than later.

  14. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Thanks for all the data BFG. I knew Elaine very well...shared a house, was her Communicator when she was AG Melb, I was there when her husband died and she joined the SO. I knew her kids as kids, I knew Jim and Kaye and all the family. This makes me so sad, it is so very wrong. I remember so much laughter, so many good times with them all. I know they all 'changed' as they became more hard core scientologists, that was the choice - play that game or walk, I saw them make the choices. I am so glad I walked. I pray that one day we can help these guys understand what happened and live the rest of their lives with a chance at happiness and freedom. :bigcry:
  15. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Heartbreaking stuff!
    No matter what differences I've had with Elaine over the years I continue to love her for who she truly is.
    She was not the SO martinet that she "apparently" became after the death of her husband and the indoctrination laid in by the Veterans Return Program, she forced herself into a role that was at complete odds with her basic beingness.
    Regardless of any harm she may have caused whilst enacting this role, no Human Being deserves the treatment dished out to her as a "reward" for a lifetime of dedicated service to the CofS.
    Damn Miscavige and all who follow his lead. :angry:
  16. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    You are right - I saw her adopt that manner of being and behaviour like putting on a coat. After a while I guess the coat is the only thing left covering the emptiness inside.....
  17. Thalkirst

    Thalkirst Patron with Honors

    Thanks, point taken. You are right, I know quite some Eastern EU Scientologists who in fact joined the SO for the free room and board. :)

    Glad to hear that Elaine is off the RPF.
  18. Doom

    Doom Lurking.

    Sounds like you had fun at the concert.
    I remember Elaine as a bit of a hard ass but that was in the later years, when the pressure was ON, but she was a good old war horse. I just can't see how anyone could justify doing that, what an Ass.:grouch:
  19. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Many are taken to retirement homes in Florida, told to end cycle,
    and are not allowed meters or scn materials. One which the Ozzies would be interested in is Phyll Stevens.
  20. Wisened One

    Wisened One Crusader

    Thanks for the story, BFG! Unbelievable how DM hanged himself unknowingly by blabbing all that to Elaine's own daughter, huh? Wow. :eyeroll:
    And I hope many of those reading will start thinking...

    Just a sidenote to part of BFG's story: That fast walk, our Org had to constantly do that too...and it was not a SO Org nor run by any SO! :no: NUTS!