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  1. Lovinglife625

    Lovinglife625 Patron with Honors

    I am not sure what else to add here that I have not already covered except to say that I agree with Michael's comments above. Along the line of what Michael said above, I made a post about that some time ago as follows:

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/b232e2af7d44503e?

    While CSI was created in late 1981, the corporate plan that accompanied the launch of CSI contemplated its relationship to what was going to be both RTC and CST (both of which were "launched" in 1982). The idea behind CST was worked out partly in late 81 and then in 1982, not after Hubbard died in 86.

    We were not moving the ownership of Hubbard's intellectual properties to CSI but rather reserving it at the time to go into what would be RTC (trade marks, service marks, collective membership marks) and what would be CST (copyrights, etc.).

    A key was to get federal income tax exemption for CST as the vast majority of the "Hubbard money" was going to go there. It was copyrights and not trademarks that produced most of the Hubbard money (between the two) not counting the many other things like inflated payments for treatments, special properties, etc., etc. that went to Hubbard as Miscavige funneled over $40 million of it to him in 1982 alone as we tried to creatively justify the payments. There was just so much phony money in that Hubbard estate!

    And, worse yet, so much of it was what I call "blood money" based on fraud, the abuse of others like mission holders, the sweat of unpaid or horribly paid staff who could not even properly care for themselves or their own children while Hubbard and international management got millions, etc.

    Anyway that's besides the point.

    There are lies behind the creation of RTC and CST but its not that IRS/CIA nonsense. See the following post which is in a series I am writing about Miscavige's perjuries. It covers some previously unposted info re why RTC and CST as well as the trademarks which relates a tiny bit to this:

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=346246#346246

    Why in the world would the IRS and CIA really want to control scientology? It's not for that remote viewing stuff promoted on some web sites. I actually almost met someone from the CIA when I ran Special Unit and it was nonsense. Look, how many people have done the OT levels who can now do realistic remote viewing? Anyone?

    I've even heard that somehow I am behind the secret groups (IRS etc) that secretly run organized scientology. That's a good one! ROFL

    Whatever. People can believe whatever they want. That certainly helps make life interesting.

    I know how Miscavige rose to power and I saw him do it. I had Hubbard orders in my hands as part of that corporate mission, I worked under Hubbard orders on legal matters for years prior to it when I was in the GO and I got Hubbard orders on external affairs matters for much of two years after that when I was later on WDC.

    My own views of the real power behind organized scientology have nothing whatever to do with the IRS or the CIA. they are however based on years of experience with it. They are covered in the below post:

    http://tinyurl.com/3b8ome

    That's about all I have to say on it. It's cool if people don't believe it. Hell I've even had people tell me that I must have gotten orders from Hubbard's clone and not Hubbard as he would not do shady or illegal things.

    Oh please! lol To those who believe that kind of stuff I wish you well but have no more words to agrue it.

    Good luck, have a good life, happy trails, etc. I do wish you well. And we can just agree to disagree:)

    Larry
     
  2. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Thank you, Lovinglife625, for providing so much valuable and helpful information, and insight.

    http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2398

    http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=135450&postcount=20
     
  3. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

  4. Ananon

    Ananon Patron

    This Belgian article is from today. The newspaper called a number of librarians to ask them what they did with the book packages. Most threw them away, some are keeping a couple of them in storage, so that they are available on request. A local Scio is reported as saying the books were printed because of the growing demand. Riiiiight.

    http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail.aspx?artikelId=2722JPT4
     
  5. minnie

    minnie Patron with Honors

    I just did a search out of curiosity on the catalogue in the NSW State Library (just a stone's throw from the Sydney org). Very light on basic books! :omg: Here are the results minus the science fiction titles:

    You searched: Author = "L. Ron Hubbard"


    Results 1 to 41 of 41
    1. Dianetics : the original thesis / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Copenhagen ; [East Grinstead, West Sussex] : New Era, 2007. | 2007 | 9788779897397 | N299.936/ 4 | Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N299.936/​ 4 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    2. Clearing congress [kit] / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron, 1934- | Washington, D.C. : Golden Era Productions, 2006. | 2006 | VC114 | Church of Scientology. Scientologists -- United States. Scientology. Philosophy. Mind and spirit. United States -- Religion. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : VC114 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    3. DÄyanatiks : taghalub quwat al-`aql `alá al-jasad / L. Run Habard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Copenhagen, Denmark : New Era, 2000. | 2000 | 8885917690 | ARA/299.936/1 | Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : ARA/​299.936/​1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    4. Letters and journals : early years of adventure / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [U.S.A.] : L. Ron Hubbard Library , 1997. | 1997 | 1573180246 | NQ299.936092/H875.4/3 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- -- Correspondence Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- -- Journals | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936092/​H875.4/​3 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    5. Education, literacy & civilization / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986. | [Los Angeles, Calif.] : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1996. | 1996 | 8778163862 (pbk.) | NQ371.30281/4 | Learning. Study skills. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ371.30281/​4 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    6. The philosopher : the rediscovery of the human soul / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [New York]: L. Ron Hubbard Library, 1996. | 1996 | 1573180343 (pbk) | NQ299.936/7 | Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/​7 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    7. L. Ron Hubbard : a profile / compiled by the friends of Ron.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [California? : L. Ron Hubbard Library], c1995. | 1995 | 0884049957 | NQ299.936092/1 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936092/​1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    8. The humanitarian : the road to self-respect / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986. | [United States] : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1995. | 1995 | NQ299.936092/H875.4/2 | Ethics. Justice. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936092/H875.4/2 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    9. Ethics, justice & civilization / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [U.S.A.] : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1995. | 1995 | NQ299.936/8 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology. Criminal justice, Administration of -- Religious aspects. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/8 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    10. Dianetics : the modern science of mental health / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Surry Hills, N.S.W. : New Era Publications, 1994. | 1994 | 0646190342 | N158.9/5 | Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N158.9/​5 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    11. The Scientology handbook / based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1994. | 1994 | 0884048993 | NQ299.936/6 | Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/​6 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    12. The writer : issue 2: changing a genre / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | New York : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1992. | 1992 | NQ299.936/9 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology -- Biography. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/9 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    13. How to use a dictionary : picture book for children / based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1992. | 1992 | 0884047474 | NQ423/103 | Children's encyclopedias and dictionaries. English language -- Dictionaries, Juvenile. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ423/​103 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    14.

    15. L. Ron Hubbard : the philosopher : issue 1 : the quest for truth.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [United States of America] : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1991. | 1991 | NQ299.936/3 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology -- Biography. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/3 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    16. Be far more cause in life! : L's runddowns / [L. Ron Hubbard]
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [Tampa, Fla.] : Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, 1991. | 1991 | NQ299.936/5 | Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/5 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    17. Knowingness : the second volume of quotations from the works of L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1991. | 1991 | 0884047199 | N299.936/3 | Scientology -- Quotations, maxims, etc. Dianetics -- Quotations, maxims, etc. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N299.936/​3 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    18. Master mariner : issue 1 : sea captain / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | New York : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1991. | 1991 | NQ299.936/10 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology -- Biography. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/10 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    19. An introduction to scientology [videorecording] : an exclusive interview with L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [Los Angeles] : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1990. | 1990 | VB5129 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- -- Interviews. Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : SRL Film and Video , CALL # : VB5129 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    20. Understanding : the universal solvent : quotations from the works of L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1990. | 1990 | 0884046400 | N299.336/1 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- -- Quotations. Scientology -- Quotations. Dianetics -- Quotations. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N299.336/​1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    21. Clear body, clear mind : the effective purification program / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1990. | 1990 | 0884045498 | N613/202 | Substance abuse -- Treatment. Detoxification (Substance abuse treatment) Nutrition. Vitamins. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N613/​202 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    22. Basic study manual / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1990. | 1990 | 0884046311 | NQ371.302812/5 | Study skills. Vocabulary. Attention. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ371.302812/​5 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    23. The writer : the legend begins, issue 1 / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | U.S.A : L. Ron Hubbard Library, c1989. | 1989 | NQ299.936/13 | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology -- Biography. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/13 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    24. Dianetics : the modern science of mental health : a handbook of dianetics procedure / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Redhill, Surrey : New Era, c1988. | 1988 | 1870451228 | N158.9/4 | Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N158.9/​4 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

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    31. Purification : an illustrated answer to drugs / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Copenhagen, Denmark : New Era, c1985. | 1985 | 8773363758 | NQ616.8606/1 | Drug abuse -- Treatment. Drugs -- Metabolic detoxication. Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ616.8606/​1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    32. Dianetics : the modern science of mental health : a handbook of dianetics procedure / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, CA : Bridge Publications, 1985. | 1985 | 0884042588 | N158.9/2 | Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N158.9/​2 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    34. L. Ron Hubbard : the current scene / [compiled ... by the Public Relations Office of L. Ron Hubbard]
    Los Angeles, Calif. : The Office, 1984- | 1984 | NQ299.9360924/H875.4/1 SET (1v. held) | Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911- Scientology -- Biography. Authors, American. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.9360924/H875.4/1 SET (1v. held) , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    35. Scientology : the fundamentals of thought / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Bridge Publications, c1983. | 1983 | 088404145X (pbk.) : | N299.936/ 2 | Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N299.936/​ 2 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    36. How to live though an executive : communications manual / L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Copenhagen : New Era Publications, 1983. | 1983 | 8773360937 | N658.4/331 | Executive ability. Scientology. Communication in management. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N658.4/​331 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    37. The way to happiness / [written by L. Ron Hubbard]
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles, Calif. : Regent House Ltd., c1981. | 1981 | 0960593004 | N177/5 | Conduct of life. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : N177/​5 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    38. An alternative : how to help a family member in distress / [compiled from the writings of L. Ron Hubbard]
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [Sydney : Citizens' Committee on Human Rights], 1981. | 1981 | 158.9/1 | Psychotherapy. Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : Mitchell Library , CALL # : 158.9/1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    39. Scientology and effective knowledge [sound recording] / by L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | [Los Angeles?] : L.R. Hubbard, p1980. | 1980 | RAV/TAPE 1/609 | Scientology. Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : RAV/​TAPE 1/​609 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    40. What is scientology? : based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard / [compiled by staff of the Church of Scientology of California ; edited by the LRH Personal Secretary Office ; color photography by L. Ron Hubbard].
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | Los Angeles : Church of Scientology of California, c1978. | 1978 | 0884040615 | NQ299.936/1 | Scientology. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : NQ299.936/​1 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue

    41. Scientology : the fundamentals of thought / by L. Ron Hubbard.
    Hubbard, L. Ron (La Fayette Ron), 1911-1986 | London : Hubbard Association of Scientologists International, c1956. | 1956 | *S150.13/28 | Scientology. Dianetics. | Description: LOCATION : State Ref Library , CALL # : *S150.13/28 , STATUS : FILL IN SLIP | Library Catalogue
     
  6. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    Planet? What planet?

    Here's a snippet from the e-mail I received recently from the MAA AOSH ANZO to my Doubt formula:

    "Also, tons of books were shipped from Bridge to the local libraries and sure, a number of these sets have been sent back to CPLO locally as "not accepted" and I have personally been working to get public to volunteer to go visit libraries to handle them to take the books. And a large number of libraries have accepted them. So what are YOU doing about this situation? Do you expected the handful of 6,000 Sea Org members are going to single-handedly clear the planet? Since when does the Internet have all the answers."

    I still haven't seen any change in the actual number of books per the national library database
     
  7. Carnaubawax

    Carnaubawax Patron Meritorious

    I have translated the email you received, and it comes out as "No U."

    No U:

    [​IMG]

    The end all to any argument. Used when one either has no intelligent argument left, wants to try and use "no u" as an intelligent argument, or want to piss someone off. Most effective after one has been insulted.
    Jack: You are a dirty cheating whore for sleeping with my brother!

    Jill: No u.
     
  8. minnie

    minnie Patron with Honors

    Results for the Sydney City library Glebe branch (the AO is located in Glebe so one could expect a little more Basics representation given the convenience of location?):


    Search Results
    10 titles matched: L. Ron Hubbard

    Limit by: Loc: GLEBE
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    1.
    Death quest.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    Bridge Publications, 1986.





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    2.
    The doomed planet.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era, 1988.





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    3.
    Fortune of fear Mission Earth. volume five,.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era, 1987.





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    4.
    Villainy victorious Mission Earth. volume nine,.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era, 1988.





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    5.
    Black Genesis : fortress of evil.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era Publications, 1986.





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    6.
    Disaster Mission Earth. volume eight,.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era, 1988.





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    7.
    Introduction to scientology ethics

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    Bridge Publications, c1998.





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    8.
    Dianetics : the evolution of a science

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era Publications, c1989, 1993.





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    9.
    Voyage of vengeance.

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era, 1988.





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    10.
    Clear body, clear mind : the effective purification program

    by Hubbard, L. Ron, 1911-1986.
    New Era Publications, c1990.


    :whistling:
     
  9. minnie

    minnie Patron with Honors


    Yeah, they seem to have a few large-scale conning methods going at once! (sorry for my late reply btw).
     
  10. QRES

    QRES Patron

    Last edited: Nov 7, 2008
  11. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    QRES: Thank you very very much. :thumbsup:

    The issue of whether they really now do all the books in-house was pretty well settled by the time of this post on this thread. :coolwink:

    But it's best to see it with the eyes. Thanks again. :yes:

    Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
    I am *not* anonymous.
     
  12. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    OK so it's becoming pretty plain as to what the real story is here but there's still a few bits I don't get.

    DM's idea of subtlety seems to be using a family sedan for a smash and grab rather than a loud, brightly coloured freshly-stolen sports car.

    That's just the impression I get from what I've read of his behaviour and what he's done with the "GAT"

    So where does Norman Starkey fit into all of thsi?

    He's head of ASI, I think he was executor of Hubbard's will and he'd be making bucketloads from copyright use.

    And he seems to be under the radar.

    But in 96 at the GAT release, he was definitely more in charge than DM when it came to handling the Senior C/S "Conference."

    Any clues?
     
  13. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    I believe Norman is in SP hole, not 100% sure but I'm sure Little Bear Victor said something about that a while back. LBV?
     
  14. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    I've just revisited the national library database for Oz and the Co$s stats are up!

    There's now 178 basics books in the combined national libraries, one more than when I first counted them a few weeks ago.

    Surely they'll be dancing on the tables at Int when they hear the good news :D

    The most popular title is Evolution of a Science (24 copies available nationally) followed by Dianetics (18 copies) and Fundamentals of Thought (17)

    There's even a C/S pack and some checksheets squirreled away in some library. :omg:

    "On the Dark Side," there's 43 copies of "Bare-Faced Messiah," 16 copies of "Messiah or Madman" and 8 copies of "A Piece of Blue Sky." :thumbsup:

    I've got more news on this subject that I'll try to post tonight for ya all.
     
  15. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Thanks for the update, Scooter, looks like your original post may have nudged the Library Campaign and they've responded with the usual vim and vigour! LOL
    It won't do them any good though; one copy of "A Piece Of Blue Sky" trumps 178 Basic Books any day! :)
     
  16. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Norman Starkey is indeed in the SP Hall per most recent data available. Virtually every person of importance in Scientology management is in there....translate to every person who could be a possible threat or rival to DM is in there.
     
  17. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    Then DM is the only one who'll be pulling the profits out of the for-profit companies then.

    Will post some more on the orders coming down on this scam soon.
     
  18. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scooter,

    These books might be in the catalogue, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had quietly 'disappeared'.

    There used to be a copy of 'Bare-Faced Messiah' in the East Grinstead library. But then it went 'missing'.

    Now who would want to steal such a book? :whistling:

    Axiom142
     
  19. Given that:

    Scandal of Scientology
    Madman or Messiah?
    Bare-faced Messiah
    Piece of Blue Sky

    etc

    Are all available electronically for free on the web, stealing one copy from a library isn’t really going to handle it!
     
  20. Good twin

    Good twin Floater

    Well, I had done some research on this or actually a similar "Library Campaign" over a year ago. It was actually something I discovered after my last set of lowers.

    At any rate, basically I pulled back the curtain on Planetary Dissem (completely by accident - mind you) and found that even though HUGE amounts of money had been donated with the promise that funds would be used in very specific libraries, they never actually got onto the shelves.

    Now there is more to this... It could be said that possibly the books were donated but not placed on the shelves by the library personnel. However a few years prior to the big bucks Planetary Dissem cycle, I personally had run a rather small campaign to put books on the shelves of these same libraries. Amazingly many of the books that I donated ARE still in these libraries, but the titles promised by PD never were.........

    I would think that if the books that I donated were put on the shelves then at least ONE of the tens of thousands of dollars worth would have been accepted by ONE of the libraries on the approved list.

    Nope.....not one. WTF? I seriously doubt that the money donated EVER resulted in any books being moved out of any bookstore or warehouse. I honestly believe it was just collect the money and count the stats. NO product. No attempted product. Just take the money and run.:yes: :omg:

    GT

    BTW none or the basics are in these libraries yet either......I wonder if the big contributors ever bother to look....well they don't really have the time to be following up on this and all they really need to do is read the Success Stories of the people who have seen the books in THEIR local libraries.