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Featured Bill Frank's story about brainwashing (thread merge)

Discussion in 'Stories From Inside Scientology' started by gwells, Feb 26, 2011.

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  1. Happy Days

    Happy Days Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for clearing up where you sit in relation to the Indies.

    I just have a couple of questions however you may have answered these in later posts.

    Why did it take you so long to tell this piece of data on OW's and Hubbard?

    Do you see this data as so significant that it will turn the tables completely on the Church?

    Also WELCOME Bill :)
     
  2. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Welcome Marcy. :)
     
  3. chuckbeatty

    chuckbeatty Patron with Honors

    Email Gerry Armstrong, he's posted, I believe, the dox showing the list of settlements given to people. I think Mayo only got 1.2 mil if I recall.

    Gerry's email is at his site.
     
  4. MostlyLurker

    MostlyLurker Patron Meritorious

    Dear Marcy,
    welcome! :happydance:
    Thanks for your story and for help bringing Bill here. :happydance:

    Getting to know the truth is indeed a great healing experience.
    There were a lot of lies told at the time (and up to today) by Co$ to keep the floc under control and unaware of what really is going on.

    The point Bill wrote about is one of the points that make of Scientology a cult.
    See point # 13. Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate cult members. on the website: The Cult Test Questions
     
  5. Glenn Samuels

    Glenn Samuels New Member

    Brainwashing, Bill Franks and the Message Run

    Hi,
    I talked to Bill about this and have also confirmed the message run through a source close to David Mayo.

    It makes sense; did you leave because you committed some huge crime? Probably not. You left because of abuse, human rights violations, or some other form of harrasment.

    Does a wife leave because she commits adultery, no she usually leaves because the husband does, she loses trust and feels abused and hurt.

    I am currently writing a series of articles on Disconnection which might be of interest, plus have written articles on "Freedom of Thought, and how to Return to Freedom.

    My site is: http://www.scientologyrecovery.com which has a thought stopping exercise which helps with mind control and "brainwashing".

    I was trained by Hubbard and am counseling again.

    I help anyone who feels they have abused by Scientology or other destructive groups.

    Glenn
     
  6. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    What a Wonderful Thread

    What a wonderful thread this is.

    In looking over it, all I see, apart from some of the earlier "can this be true, real? Is this really Bill Franks?" etc ., and a little DOX Plox, what I see is honest helpful postings.

    This really is what ESMB is and ought exemplify . . . honest communication and exchange of truth such that folks are helped and healed.

    And, to be blunt, I can't help thinking that the recent clean-up and freeing from some of our more prolific negative-put-down artists might just have something to do with the arrival of these valuable new members :yes:

    Certainly this thread is free from the destructive diversions we've so often seen in the past.

    Nice!

    RogerB
     
  7. olska

    olska Silver Meritorious Patron

    Who is Bill Franks? With no disrespect to the man intended,...

    In the world OUTSIDE scientology, he is apparently "just another guy" with about the same amount of influence on those close around him (family, friends, business associates, and community connections) as the rest of us.

    In the world INSIDE scientology and now INSIDE the "ex"scientology community, he's a guy with big, big altitude.

    It's really lovely and helpful that Bill, an "opinion leader" in scientology who is now an "opinion leader" in EX-scientology, has come out with the big revelation that:

    upsets (ARCx), not overts and withholds, are the reason people blow (leave).

    Well strike me blind and dumb! Some of us who were never, and are still not, "opinion leaders" (in either or any other group) have been pointing that out for some time now, and have been pointing out how "confession" in scientology is used not to "help" but rather to control people ... but obviously our opinions just didn't carry enough weight because hardly anyone seemed to notice.

    So. Thanks to this thread, we have all learned another great lesson! and that lesson is:

    rather than thinking things out for themselves, many people will only believe something when it is spoken or written by people with "altitude," whose opinions they value more than their own.

    All righty then.

    Now tell me again, how was it that people got sucked into and lost so much in the scam called "scientology"?
     
  8. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Good post. :clap:
     
  9. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Chuck, this is an important perspective you are presenting here.

    Being an (very) old-timer (in from 1957), I lived the development of the tech, so to speak.

    And, of course, it is now, in retrospect, very interesting to scan back and observe all of the changes, back-tracking, contradictions, screw up and manipulative falsehoods Hubbard foisted onto us along the way.

    One of these days, I suppose, I ought make the time and write up such a comparative analysis :melodramatic:

    But the point you are presenting here, and the name of the thrust of Bill's opening post is "A Story About Brianwashing." :yes:

    And yes it exists in $cn, and yes it had become de rigueur as the standard behavior and tech application in the Cof$ once one got anywhere near the Ethics lines in the orgs.

    Historically, God alone knows when it crept into the scene. I saw touches of it in early 1968 . . . it's first expression was vented with the phrase used by EO's and HCO of "Give him/her a severe reality adjustment!" "He/she needs a severe reality adjustment"

    What this is really saying is that these individuals who are exerting dominant power over you are enforcing a changed reality that is not yours onto you.

    That is not only abusive, but I would say is even criminal when applied or carried out with duress or threats of any kind.

    A correct and honest "tech" would be the restoration of the individual's own truth . . . a truth that the individual can live with and operate from; all based on honest perception.

    But this last sentiment is not one the Cof$ operates with. When anyone who honestly sees a fault in the affairs of the Cof$ and speaks of it, they are hit hard and subject to the brainwashing R/D of enforced severe reality adjustment . . . or as you so succinctly say in red above: they are made to adopt/come to . . . "acceptable "viewoint shifts" in order to graduate, is ABSOLUTELY part of the RPF politics game of getting back into good standing to be allowed to graduate from the RPF."

    I think we ought to view this in the context of the crime it is when done so by use of duress, threat and subjugation etc.

    RogerB
     
  10. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Roger,

    Although it's a minor point, I have gotten the impression for some time that when exes reference the term "severe reality adjustment" it is with an intimation that it was an insider term created and used within Scientology organizations.

    However, to my knowledge "severe reality adjustment" is not a Scientological term. It's slang term that's been around for decades and decades.

    This minor point isn't really germane to your point above -- but one that I've been meaning to comment on for some time.

    TG1
     
  11. MostlyLurker

    MostlyLurker Patron Meritorious

    I don't see any "altitude" from Bill Franks at all, I see him humble, and that is appreciated.

    On FB, to the question by Robin Scott and Dennis Erlich if he was willing to take back the post of ED Int he wrote:
    Also chosing the screen name of "wogman" is a sign of no altitude to me. (I see he has Bill Franks as screen name here, maybe Emma helped him and created the account with his name, but originally, he attemped to register as 'wogman')

    About the message Bill wanted to be posted on ESMB, many (most) of people who left Co$ already knew that the equation blow=overt/withhold is bulshit. Different thing is to know that LRH himself knew it, yet he lied to keep ruling Scientology and people's lives.

    Bill is thanked for his willigness to share his knowledge.
     
  12. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Nah, Olska,

    The issue isn't as you express above . . . as I said earlier on the thread, we knew about ARCX's, BPC and blows in 1963.

    Of course Hubbard kept "adding" new ideas as to new "tech" . . . . :D And these new flavors of the month became the enforced new "reality" of what was correct, standard tech.

    The real deal in Bill's post is that Hubbard revealed the truth, the correct tech point and would not let these guys use it, and enjoined them to hold the truth secret for fear . . . as Hubbard stated: "he'd lose control of the orgs and $cn."

    That, in the paragraph above is the revelation.

    And only Bill or David M could have made it.

    I can assure you that there are a number of old-timer techies who knew and practiced the truth regarding ARCXs, BPC and Blows regardless of who else said what.

    Rog
     
  13. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Yes, 'tis so. Where I've seen it outside of the Cof$ it's tended to be used kindly or even in in an "OMG" fun kind of way. And it is a good point and distinction you raise.

    When I first saw it used in the Cof$ in '67-'68 it was used in the dominating, threading overwhelming way to affect, in essence, a brainwashing.

    This first caught my attention because I saw it used by idiot young ethics officers who'd not lived a life, and who didn't know WTF*** the realities of life were that should or should not be adjusted :duh: but they sure as hell wanted folks to think the way they thought folks should think :omg: And of course, they were typically not tech trained as in auditor trained. All they knew was their limited exposure to HCO P/Ls.

    And it is in this last sense that it is used/mis-used in the Cof$.

    R
     
  14. Daisy

    Daisy Patron with Honors

    Marcy, I'm glad that you have recovered and yes I agree that this info is valuable for those others who need to recover. The best to you.
     
  15. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    I'm not "believing" it because he said it...do you know who you are referring to exactly? That communication that he imparted from Hubbard is neither surprising nor revelatory. Correction, I can't say that what he said was not revelatory, of course it was, but the idea that ARCX are the cause of blows is obvious. Although, that is not an absolute either, like Scientology wants the tech to be. People leave for all sorts of reasons, O/Ws included. To say that others want to hear what he has to say because somehow it has some force or altitude would be missing the point.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  16. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    I am very excited about the ripple effect here with Bill Frank's revelation. This is a major crack in the barrier for us as a 'group of exs', who, after all, seek truth so they we can be free of the lies that bind us to the past.

    It is truth that sets us free from the lies. Every bit of truth about scientology and Hubbard that is posted on the internet makes it possible for readers to overcome the past. This latest from Bill demonstrates that one of the biggest lies out
    of scientology was from the old man himself and that is hugh for those who believe Hubbard was at the root of it all. It may well help many leave Scientology, knowing that it is OK to leave when you cannot agree any more to a lie. No one deserves to be tortured with sec checks ( and made to pay for them) for wanting to walk away from the insanity and move on in life.)

    What a wonderful thread this is becoming. To see Marcy Pearlman Sorensen and Glenn Samuels posting here as well has really made my day. Welcome to you both!

    I suspect we shall see more from the past who were a part of the history which still needs to be revealed. The more who speak up, the more we know, the less control the past has on us as individuals and as a group.

    Hope to see more exs from the past come and tell their stories and support the truth.
     
  17. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Mary,

    As usual, well said, Mate! ^-^-^ :yes:

    Rog
     
  18. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Wow. Great stuff Marcy. Thanks for the clarification.

    I agree with you regarding the healing. I believe there's lots of healing to be had here. Glad you're here. :cheers:
     
  19. I'd call it more of a confirmation than a revelation, if anyone reading this board hasn't figured out by now that Hubbard was nothing but a sleazy con man who was only interesting in enslaving victims to serve his cult, they are either in serious denial, or really fucking stupid, or both.

    I'd love to see more people such as Bill Franks come out and tell their first hand accounts of Hubbard, but I'm not sure how many more people want to bother coming out to tell their Hubbard related cult stories, most people have moved on with their lives and probably aren't interested in reliving their youth on message boards, besides most people only want to reminisce about the good times, I doubt many Holocaust survivors want to rehash the years they spent in concentration camps all that often.
     
  20. chuckbeatty

    chuckbeatty Patron with Honors

    Thankyou, huge historically important service you did here.

    Thanks!!!

    The Scientology/Hubbard saga is basically the life of L. Ron Hubbard.

    I thank ANYONE who helps flush the story in all its personal historical details OUT into the public domain.

    The chat sites on Scientology I views as raw information treasure troves of details, that expert observers of Scientology history can piece together the whole big Hubbard impact.

    The ongoing operation of official Scientology is abusive still as we speak.

    It's an abusive operation.

    I guess your post means that Bill is NOT watching the responses to his thread though.

    As one of the posters on this thread stated, likely Bill is like that poster, gotten on in life, and NOT wishing to stir up weeks and months of his life in the Sea Org turmoil and history.

    Please pass my chuckbeatty77@aol.com email to Bill, I was his subordinate, and I sent him also a Facebook message, which I hope he will in the rest of his life, allow some interviewing of himself for the history books on what happened surrounding Bill's ousting from the Sea Org.

    There's so much MORE history in all Bill's "short" 15 or so years of the Sea Org.

    How we ended up today with the decimated leadership collapse, with the sole dictator David Miscavige at the top, and NONE of the Exec Strata wearing their hats and dealing with Scientology most major controversies, IS the ongoing big Scientology problem.

    The official movement has the wealth that ALL of us ex members ALSO contributed in accumulating, and I feel ex senior leaders have a right to comment and give their public opinions about Scientology's future!

    thanks very much for getting gwells to post Bill's story!