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Debbie Cook, Karen de la Carrier and now Mark Shreffler - email going viral?

Discussion in 'Leaks - Emails, Promo, Insider Info' started by Idle Morgue, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    I was thinking today that I did get something out of the Key to Life in terms of becoming a better writer. Well, look what I'm writing about? Sucks to be them. Hell hath no fury like a scorned truth seeker. :biggrin:
  2. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    That´s nothing really new, as you can see here:
    Reminds me a little bit to the nazis, they had a similar policy:


    Listen to enemy broadcast even lead to death penalty - note the yellow color:



    Can somebody of the churchies please explain me the big difference ?

    Why do the germans carefully watch obscure cults ?
    Because they can easily spot a nazi when they smell one.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2012
  3. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Of course it's possible for critics to reach the still-IN. I think that everyone, regardless of how far IN, reaches a point where the cognitive dissonance is so strong that they are receptive to what critics have to say. My original point was to say that these emails are bringing people to that point much more quickly.
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    If that was your original point it was only in your own head because you didn't express it. :)

    E-mail is faster then old fashioned mail, but no faster than a telephone.

    Believe it or not - and I don't know what you were doing in the 1980s - there were quite a few people who decided to leave the CofS after reading an old fashioned letter, or a photocopied newsletter, or having a conversation on the telephone.
  5. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hey, you're just a bitter unreliable apostate. Just like me! :wink2:
  6. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron


    Hey Mark!! And what about falsifying stats? OT's with major problems? Empty orgs? Financial devastation to so many Scienos? Broken families? Virtually no auditors being made? 12 year old kids working full time in the SO? Golden Age of Tech? What about the empty Super Power building? What about all the other people who left?


    Did you ever think how odd it is that Mark could have gotten all of his questions answered in minutes if he'd only come to ESMB?

    What kind of philosophy about TRUTH insists that you look for answers only from them. Major stupid.

    It took me about 20 years to figure it out. We'll see what Mark does.

    Sit back and enjoy the show.
  7. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    The mechanism behind how someone gets out is not known by anyone - what the combination of factors is that gets a cult member to start questioning the control is something that we all would like to have written down somewhere.

    And I agree with Veda the statement was inaccurate.

    While getting an email or message from someone who a cultie considers another "true believer" might get them to open it and start reading it but if they are "in" then they will stop at the first criticism - because one thing ALL cult members are well trained in is spotting "disloyalty"
  8. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Random comment:

    Lemmings, as they dash towards the cliff's edge, chatter loudly to each other, all apparently chattering the same message, over and over. It gets louder as they near the end of their headlong rush to oblivion.

    Possibly, one day, science will allow us to understand exactly what they're telling themselves and each other but I'm betting that it's something along the lines of,

    "It's this way! Keep going, we're nearly there!! It won't be longer, we'll all be free!!!"

    (or chatter to that effect)
  9. Jquepublic

    Jquepublic Silver Meritorious Patron

    Paranoia runs deep in the indoctrinated. Unfortunately, having a few people who agree with this perception of his only serves to strengthen his belief.

    And as a general comment, when and where I voice a criticism, there is absolutely nothing covert about my hostility. :p
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    There is a famous DOCUMENTARY about lemmings:


    This documentary proves unquestionably that lemmings commit mass suicide.

    Except they don't.

    Hoax Alert!

    That was a film done by Disney that staged and cleverly edited the footage to make it appear that they are killing themselves. It is a myth.

    Like Scientology, what you see is not what you get.
  11. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    I believe that when a person is ready to leave (for whatever reason) almost anything can be 'the thing' that appears to have tipped them over the edge and onto the road out ... that's why everything that is going on now at the same time is so good.

    The cult uses the 'numbers game' to recruit people and critics are (virtually) using the same technique to help people to get out.

    Its 'outflow equals inflow' ... but reversed!

  12. Mirele

    Mirele Patron

    A good chunk of Shreffler's e-mail talks about the gutting of the FSM system. I wonder if he "came to" (at least in part) because his bottom line was being affected?
  13. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Wow! That cliff is so theta - let's throw ourselves off of it!

    Yeah, so-and-so had such great wins throwing himself off the cliff. It's gonna be so theta when we do it too!

    I'd heard somewhere that lemming drowning deaths were not because the lemmings were trying to kill themselves, but rather that some of them inevitably died from exhaustion while swimming. I wish I could remember where I read it.....

    In any event, if that article was true, lemmings dropping dead from exhaustion while trying to reach an elusive and possibly non-existent goal would have a rather ironic parallel to Scientology.

  14. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    That probably had something to do with it - getting your ox gored has a way of drawing your attention.

    But the one thing I like from his e-mail is his exhortation to those still in to look at their own orgs and see if they are actually expanding.

    It is going to be a long slow process
  15. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    That was kinda my point, lol. The "Lemming Legend" lives!!!
  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Like most things in Scientology, there is a wave of destruction that either follows whatever it touches, whether by direct Tsunami blast or gradual erosion over time.

    And Scientology, itself, is destroyed by applying Scientology.

    Thus Scientology thinks nothing of taking their own top FSM (Shreffler) and "attacking" and getting rid of them for any perceived or imaginary slight. That scorched earth courtesy is extended to the very pillars of selfless dedication that somehow keep the Bridge scam held upright--such as top money-producing org exec (Debbie Cook), top thug problem fixer (Rathbun), top spokesLiar (Rinder), top Clear Ambassador (John McMaster), top movie director/writer Paul Haggis, top class XII auditor Karen de la Carriere, top management figurehead and "president" Heber Jentzch, top celebrity actress Katie Holmes/Nicole Kidman and a vast list of others who collectively earned billions in goodwill and money for the organization.

    How easy would it have been for the CoS to keep Shreffler bringing in millions of selectees' hard-earned cash? This easy......

    * Give him a piece of paper that says Kha-Kahn. (cost $ 00.02)

    * Award him a shiny medallion at a gala event that says Freedom Medal of Dissemination. (cost $ 25.00)

    * Don't change his sales commission structure that keeps him bringing in millions and recruiting others who then bring in millions (cost $ 00.00) ​

    Total Cost= $25.02

    Instead they freaked out when Shreffler started nosing around in their other lucrative money-scams (IAS, Ideal Orgs, Books To Libraries, SuperPower, etc...) when for $25.02 they could have kept him operating on the Bridge to OT money scam.

    But, one wonders, how could they have settled Shreffler down, because he didn't like when the other church money scams were cutting in on his particular money scam? That would have been easy too.

    All they would have had to do was bond him and give him a super-confidential briefing where they would tell him a bunch of lies about how "the field" had been destroyed by SPs (now out of the church) during the utter destruction of the mission network and how the many money raising programs are a necessary evil ("greatest good") designed to accumulate enough cash/assets to run Scientology for 30 years ( the same amount of time that it took for that field to build itself from 1950 to 1980) until that "3rd Dynamic Engram" was vanquished without. Then they could have shown him some LRH advices that talked about how Scientology can only survive it it has enough cash reserves to operate for 30 years in the event of a war or economic crash. After all that started to bring Shreffler's ARC and KRC up (even though he would still have troubling questions) they would invite him to be the Chairman of the newly created "Field Staff Renaissance Program" where "all the successful actions of FSMing that Ron had created would be brought back to their former glory. That would have "rehabbed" Shreffler (at no additional cost) and he would be charged with the sacred duty of bringing the "Field Revenues" up to the same level of income as is being generated from the other Donation Programs, at which time those "emergency programs" could be phased out.

    This might sound very wacky to some people reading it, but it would work like a charm because all Shreffler really wanted was to "Clear the planet" by talking about how great Scientology is to people and getting them to pay money. He would have been good-to-go for another 5 years at least with the new dream that he personally was helping Ron and mankind. If his reverie was broken at any point, they could have simply given him a new briefing and told him that "an OT works best with other OTs" and that not only should he recruit PCs (FSMing) but should also widen his "sphere of responsibility" to additionally recruit more Field Renaissance Ambassadors like himself to help his fledgling program.

    The bottom line is that Scientologists can be made to do just about anything by telling them fanciful stories about OT and planetary salvaging.

    Does anyone doubt that if Shreffler's would still be shilling for COS (knowingly or unknowingly) if he had been given the Tom Cruise Super-Lovebomb, Super-VIP, Super-We-Need-Your-Help-To-Save-The-Planet treatment?
  17. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller



  18. Nurse Pinch

    Nurse Pinch Patron with Honors

    That SP declare is a joke right? Seriously... its gotta be fake... isn't it ?!?
  19. Thrak

    Thrak Gold Meritorious Patron

    Swelling is more probable.
  20. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Yes. "Look around your org and ask yourself: Is it expanding?" would have been a nice tl:dr version of the wall of text I personally didn't feel like digesting. :)