Paul,
How clever of you . . . you’ll end up having everyone getting their cases fully handled with tricks like this thread.
Reading the thread enabled me to spot something I had not, for fifty-years, seen till now.
I actually blew, erased, handled my “Dianetics case” in 1959, but not with Dianetics or engram running, or any form of R3R (which had not been developed till many years later).
As you will note from a review of the history of the development of tech, from end of 1955 on, we were not running engrams Dianetics style, and not even running “engrams” at all. As Hubbard said in his books 8-80 and 8-8008 and Creation of Human Ability and the PABs of those days that “we don’t do that any more.” (Though the bastard later blamed US for “dropping out Diantetics!!
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During the period mid-1955 till Sept ’63 when R3R was introduced, Dianetics was dropped by Hubbard. Straight Wire Processing was introduced mid-1955, along with the “magic” of “ridge running” etc., per the books, and also various spiritual-type drills like spacation et al. They were the flavor of the month during the late 1950’s.
In fact, I did not try to run an “engram” either by Dianetics or R3R until about 1972 . . . and it was a disaster!
This is/was my experience with it all, which is my answer to your cleverly worded question at the title of this thread.
I’d been using the tech for close to two years by mid-1959 (lots of objectives, training drills, processes from the Scn books).
This particular night in late August, 1959, in co-processing, I was being run on this question: “From where could you communicate to a victim?” (It was run repetitive)
The R/D required one assess for the item to run . . . I was not on the meter side of the show, so did not see what else was there, but “Victim” was given to me as my item. Also, I forget the question used to elicit the item (I could hunt for it in the Vols, but I’m feeling lazy today, though “Formula 10” in HCOB 5 June 1959, uses this process to “locate and run engrams”
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So, running this question, on about the third answer, WOW! Suddenly my entire perception and awareness is filled with this holographic, experiential scene and event of me floating out up through the rigging of a bunch of 19th century men-o’-wars, up through the smoke of the cannonades, and then me spiritually, without a body, floating there above the battle scene lamenting on the victims I’d created (the dead and dying in the battle) and of my own painful death.
This, in fact, was my very first contact with a past life in processing and is the event that demonstrated conclusively to me that I am indeed a spiritual Being who has lived earlier, other lives.
The “image” or hologram of the event was as real to me when it “turned on” as the present time physical universe . . . though it was perceived slightly differently. That record (of mine) of the aftermath of the battle when it turned on was as though it was all throughout me spiritually and I spiritually throughout it . . . it was not as a “picture,” a 2 dimensional picture that was somehow separate and at “there” . . . this thing was throughout me and me throughout it. I could taste it, smell it, feel it, etc. Even the movement of the sails in the wind, I could feel. And the hologram of the incident had the feel of vibrant energy to it . . . not dull or dead like the PT physical Universe can feel.
Up till that time, I’d heard about engrams, but never run one; and I think I had not even read DMSMH. Remember, the other books and PABs were the flavor of the month.
Obviously, this sudden happening in session was both a “shocker” and highly interesting. And my instant instinct was to look at what else was there to know that I could benefit from and also needed to know or do to erase and/or handle this thing.
What I spotted, and also permeated, was that I’d been below decks when I died. I’d been shot into the chest, and slowly, painfully drowned in my own blood that filled my lungs. There’s a lot more I could relate about the event, but it’s not germane to the tech points of this ditty.
The point is, I holographically perceived, 3DH, and permeated the event of that incident that had occurred in 1805 as though it was real, now! But I knew I was spiritually doing so, and I was removing the spiritually recorded impression of the event from impinging into my “mind” or universe. I was recovering my sovereign or causative relationship to the “energy” of the incident where originally, in 1805, I had been somewhat overwhelmed by it.
And it is interesting to note, that from the moment I completed handling that incident, my breathing and lungs etc., became “unimpaired” where before I did have some degrees of difficulty and impairment on breathing . . . a thing that was much noticed by me as a trained athlete.
The event I had run had suddenly manifested into the now present time the instant it was contacted or accessed as a result of carrying out the command to “locate” or find out “From where I could communicate to . . . “
The process we were using, of course, is a variation on a basic theme of “Straight Wire.” Straight Wire was devised by Hubbard to overcome certain difficulties he’d encountered vis vis folks being able to contact and/or access engrams and/or other areas of case to be addressed.
I’ve used this basic process for years to handle various case or areas of charge, pain, etc that come up from time to time. You don’t even need to use the word or verb “communicate to.” You can use “relate to,” “love” (bit high toned that one) “perceive,” “experience,” “cause,” "create,” “conceive of,” “duplicate,” “be responsible for,” “confront,” etc. The magic of that question: “From where could you . . . “ causes you to assume a position, and view doing the action. It puts you at cause over assuming that position. It blows all kinds of stuff to view that is worthwhile recovering sovereignty over.
The outcome of this wondrous session back there in 1959 was that I was no longer the effect of “mental image pictures.” I could handle such with ease. I could simply contact as appropriate and holographically permeate and perceive/experience, and all the hang-ups would vanish. I could contact areas of experience recorded in my “mind” or spiritual time-trail, allow them to come live and manifest into present time and to then fully, holographically perceive or knowingly experience them, recover my old locked-up life force, and let the “incident” fall away as discharged. Things "blew on inspection."
In 1972 when I was being forced to do R3R as part of “getting all of my Bridge completed” I had a hell of a time trying to deal with “incidents” by whatever flavor of R3R and engram running was in vogue at that time.
This is where I found trying to “go back to” and “move through the incident” were the killers. In essence I was really cleaning a clean . . . but in terms of mechanics, to try and relocate myself back "there", and to then be small enough to fit into the event of the incident and “move through it” . . . that was an exercise in craziness for me.
There were lots of ways of handling “incidents” developed between 1955 up to about 1961. You could even locate these areas and run processes like: “What part of that incident can you confront?” (per page 410 Vol 3.)
Bottom line, they get you to perceive the “things” in the incident you couldn’t/wouldn’t originally (hence its hang-up).
It is to be noted that perception is one of a Being’s two basic abilities. It is a key to unlocking old stuck areas of experience. Actively, knowingly engaging that ability is a better way of handling incidents (in which one typically negated or “disengaged” the ability) than passively using it by “moving through the incident,” The command to “holographically perceive” actively, knowingly engages the ability and reverses the turn-off of awareness that is typically going on in engrams.
The advantage of R3R as a rote procedure is that it does get all the key aspects of the event being run addressed. It gets any decision or postulate made during the incident, though it does not address a key aspect of what can happen in incidents in the most optimum manner.
It misses the point I’m about to make because it has not been articulated correctly enough.
As an example, an engramic incident that occurs in 1980 can have or contain as part of it the triggering into replication (restim) of a similar or similar content incident of lifetimes or even universes ago. What is to be noted is that that triggered replication of the past incident is actually a part of the 1980 incident.
That is what typically gets missed. Though it does not if the PC/client is fully educated on these things, then he/she will spot the phenomenon and can run straight on through the 1980 inc to the earlier triggered and replicating inc and blow the whole package then and there.
Missing that triggered involuntary replication while running the 1980 incident is what makes it gooey.
But, the other side of the coin is that R3R and Book One Dianetics as currently used/practiced in the church is an arbitrary, and may even be a stupid marketing tool only.
Fact is, you don’t need to address all this old past incident shit unless it comes up and gets in your way. Then you can address what comes up and handle. Otherwise, you are better of processing and empowering your positive abilities, and getting on with applying those abilities to win at and enjoy life!
Now, that’s a bright idea whose time has come, no?
RogerB
I got off the hook later with the Natural Clear stuff. Thank GOD!! What a relief! Flaoting TA. Rudiments came in.
I did like what I saw on some Book One auditing videos. It separates the being from the initial misidentifications with the body's viewpt. It gets those insidious collusions where the shared incidents make the person feel as one. These are the points of misidentification. You get to cull those points and free them up. (but you can straighten it all out now on new OT VIII).
In the 50's he may have overestimated the potential to be three ft back of the head. 
I think somewhere he lost respect and admiration for what a person really is. :confused2: You can see it in his Class VIII course rants. We're all too stupid to get it. 
We did Dianetic auditing before anythng else. Right after TR0 and basic CCHs. And not the complete line up like on Grade I or the Survival Rundown. I did that later.There were no overly educated pcs. However the cogs regarding why one was effect were the same. This was before the New Grade Chart.
