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Dianetics Revisited.

Discussion in 'L Ron Hubbard' started by guanoloco, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    3 important things to remember in reading the heinlein letters and becoming involved in dianetics and scientology.

    Fast forward from the above statement from 1950 to 1965 KSW, and we have KSW as one BIG appeal to authority, or source or LRH. :melodramatic:
  2. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    There's another thing that DM doesn't get and that's the distinction of Dianetics and Scientology in the eyes of the consumer. Hu666ard understood this distinction and kept them separate to confuse the unwary consumer.

    Hu666ard was a master markerter and his books act like free reports in direct response marketing. They prep and sell the consumer on the service before they even enter the establishment. This is why the cognitive dissonance happens - the consumer is expecting and wanting the 180 degree opposite to what is the existing scene.

    Look up Dan Kennedy. He's a professional information markerter. Hu666ard was a natural pioneer at this.

    DM doesn't know or understand the distinction and glumps these two things together and even pronounces it as "Dianeticscientology" and everywhere there's Dianetics he's connecting and pushing Scientology.

    People don't want a church. They don't want Scientology. Thus, the stats plunmmet and it's too late to pull out of the tailspin...the public are wise to the scam and now Dianetics has the Scientology anathema around it's neck and that's a noose.

    He should've left it as a front group like it was - separate premises and all.

    DM is the best thing that has happened to Scientology. Can you imagine what might've happened if a competent individual was at the helm?
  3. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Trivia alert!!

    My apologies to those who believe that this doesn't belong in this thread; they're probably right, but it's not worth starting a new one. I was just reading one of wikipedias' potted biographies when I came across this:

    After abandoning Kriya yoga, Salinger tried Dianetics (the forerunner of Scientology), even meeting its founder L. Ron Hubbard, but according to Claire he was quickly disenchanted with it. This was followed by an adherence to a number of spiritual, medical, and nutritional belief systems including an interest in Christian Science, Edgar Cayce, homeopathy,acupuncture, and macrobiotics.

    I never knew J. D. Salinger met Hubbard. Live and learn eh.
  4. Gib

    Gib Crusader


    There were a couple of folks who did get it, one Jefferson Hawkins & Steve Hall. And both created the big dianetics campaign in the mid 1980's which brought in tons of peeps, and namely yours truely. That time frame did reboot dianetics and scientology.

    Thank gawd they both escaped, they did not blow because of O/W's, but escaped because DM was physically assaulting them. Not too say they are now still persuaded by dianetics, far from it.
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2016
  5. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Wait...Steve Hall was still an indie scieno last I heard. Jefferson Hawkins is blown for good or something like that...right?
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  7. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

  8. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I Don't know if Steve still is a Ron Crusader. If he isn't, I reckon he keeps the site up for the "in-between lives" of folks just leaving the COS and starting to research the truth. If so, that's ok in my book.

    Yah, those commercials. While I remember them as being impressive, I never bought a book from them. What happened in my case was that I was reading a bunch of self help books at the time, I went over to a buddy's house to pick him up to go bar hopping, chicks galore at those bars we went to, yay! LOL

    Anyways, he had bought the dianetics book, it was on the top of his TV, I asked if I could borrow it. Unfortunately he said yes. :melodramatic:

    What's funny, after all those years, Jefferson Hawkins Counterfeit Dreams book helped me majorly to get out of scientology. Yay!

    PS. Hawkins and others did not have this data of the early life of L Ron, with Campbell & Heinlein, which is why I find it fascinating, as Hats said, to read other peoples mail, LOL
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2016
  9. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    When I think of Campbell's comparing Ron's Dianetic tech as the best of assimilated and edited witchcraft, I get creeped out. I have to say though, much of what came up in my auditing on space opera was chuck full of bizarre sorceries. So maybe the sci geezers who wrote were tuned into the the same high weird vibe.

    H. P. Lovecraft 1890-1937

    Didn't one of the old guys interviewed about Ron's inspiration for Excalibur say LRH had gotten all hopped up about some character he had just read about in someone else's sci-fi work.

    Was it a Chthulhu myth or Dweller In The Darkness?


    1944 Weird Tales mag cover below:

    Did Ron come up against something running Dianetics that was similar to the later Zenu!!

    I haven't finished reading all the letters yet. Campbell was a true believer.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2016
  10. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    That quote sounds like a confession that he'd feign sickness or whatever, for sympathy. To get attention. Be be able to stay home from school. Or later, to claim war injuries as a war hero to get laid. Later he just folded that in to his batshit insane teachings called scientology.
  11. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  12. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  13. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    I guess Campbell changed the name of Astounding to analog. That long leggy blob made the cover again.


    Dianetic auditors trained, one month, need no license

    June 18, 1951. State of New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety says 'no can do this fellas'...


    Los Angeles 1950
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2016
  14. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Ron the faking cheat in everything he did.
  15. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    I just splurged and spent the $2 to get the Heinlein and Campbell letters. I haven't even finished the first letter but here's something from the letter that women from the state of Georgia will like. Campbell wrote to Heinlein that LRH said: "that the famous Georgia Peaches fully live up to their reputation for good looks, but that both kinds have about the same vegetable level of mentality."
  16. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's surprising to me that I can't find any prior quoting of this^^ or other parts of the letters on the internet or in books on Scientology. I haven't checked all of the books about Scientology so I can't say no one has used them in their book.

    I'm halfway through the letters. They are interesting and important primary accounts of the creation of Dianetics. Thank you Gib for making me and others aware of them.

    Campbell quotes, promotes, elaborates and collaborates in LRH's wild plans and claims, as if they were proven scientific facts. Despite his polite interest in Dianetics, Heinlein seems to be conscientious and to have more respect and understanding of the scientific method.
  17. Gib

    Gib Crusader


    Luv the last line of that document, dated June 18, 1951:

    "I understand they left Elizabeth owing numerous printing bills."

  18. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    From Campbell's letter dated March 6th, 1951.

    Some super woo here. Campbell claims Commies infiltrated the courserooms. Sara Hubbard got the worst of it. being drugged and attacked 3 times. Is he supposing the bad guys are using black dianetics?. He states there were secret implant commands installed into Sara Hubbard which included an aversion to receiving any more dianetics. Maybe the aversion was her own?

    Last edited: Feb 11, 2016
  19. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    The evil purpose and the misunderstood word and the false datum brought up by Campbell in letter of March 6th, 1951. This proceeded in the same letter to Robert Heinlein as in above post:
    ....and Hubbard wasn't considered infallible.
  20. Gib

    Gib Crusader