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Did LRH use enemy tactics against Church of Scientology members in Good Standing?

Discussion in 'L Ron Hubbard' started by Type4_PTS, May 25, 2018.

  1. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    This question came up in a current thread, and rather than respond to it within the thread and derail it I'm starting a separate thread.

    It's been addressed on ESMB in the past many times, but cannot find a separate thread on this question.

    I'll be adding in information as I have time, and anyone else who wishes to may do so. (even if it's just pointing to earlier postings on ESMB or elsewhere which addresses this subject matter).
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  2. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Here's a couple posts from Veda I'm cross-posting here that address the subject, both of them from about 8 years ago:

    Hubbard told Scientologists what he was going to do to them, and in some instances what he was doing to them at that very moment, but disguised it as something that someone else (usually the bad guys) might do. This is close to the ultimate in "nothing-up-my-sleeve-ism" and the ultimate recreational cruelty for a sadistic practical joker: Explain the joke first, then watch as the person - who has complete confidence that the teller (Hubbard in this case) would never do such a thing - walk right into it and fall prey to (using some of Hubbard's favorite behind-the-scenes words) the gimmick, ploy, trick, caper, angle, etc.

    Two footnotes re. above:

    While the date for Hubbard applying "enemy tactics" and "aberrative methods" to his own own loyal followers is sometimes 1965 - which was, undoubtedly, a major "shift" date in Scientology - it does appear, IMO, that Hubbard had this approach from the earliest days.

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    Usually, Scientologists can grasp the notion that "Black Scientology" might be used on "Suppressive Persons," but not the idea that Scientology's founder used "Black Scientology" on his own loyal followers. This is difficult to explain to Scientologists, since Scientology (Hubbard's teachings and "applied philosophy") is regarded as a "gift" from Hubbard for their benefit. Yet Scientology, as crafted by Hubbard, is a devious mix of "Black" and "White" Scientology, and this mixture is what makes Scientology a trap.

    Currently, about as far as "Independent" and FreeZone" Scientologists can venture is to assert that corporate Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, uses "Black Scientology." Beyond that, things become foggy for them.

    In his confidential writings, Hubbard taught that Scientology's enemies should be subjected to "enemy tactics," and to the various mechanisms of the mind (and "reactive mind"), and Hubbard, in writings and lectures, would sometimes describe these and, on a few occasions (usually at lectures), even warn the wide eyed and eager Scientologists that some evil force (not him of course, but the communists, Nazis, psychiatrists, the "12 bankers," etc.) could use Scientology to enslave - such is "the power the tech," etc. FZ and Indy Scientologists are fond of quoting these warnings. This, while remaining subject to many of the manipulative ideas and methods woven into Scientology by its founder.

    L. Ron Hubbard described himself as "Mankind's Greatest Friend," etc., so his writings and comments about "aberrative mechanisms" and "enemy tactics" never came across as a warning about himself. If anything, it made others more inclined to trust him.

    For example, in Dianetics, what's "aberrative"? Something that equates to "survival." The "held down 7s" are "aberrative" because they're identified with the person's survival. "Survival," as a "mechanism" becomes "aberrative."

    Even in 1950, Dianetics was presented as being a "race with the atomic bomb." The message was plain enough: Dianetics = Survival. No Dianetics = Doom.

    And this continued into Scientology. One of many examples: In 1956, Hubbard wrote, "With Man now equipped with weapons sufficient to destroy all Mankind and Earth... The primary race on Earth is... the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb."

    How many Scientologists read Hubbard's descriptions of Dianetics and Scientology as essential for Mankind's "Survival!" - and their own "Survival" - and thought, "Oh, Ron's using the 'Survival mechanism' to manipulate me" ?

    Another example from 1950 Dianetics is the "ally computation." Someone comes out of the blue and helps another person, helps the other person in some way or other. The "help" could be indifferently offered, or insincerely offered, but if the needy person regards it as aiding in his "Survival!" (or well being, or the alleviation of pain or the attainment of pleasure or relief), then (so the theory goes) the "ally" mechanism is in place and in effect. For example, an uncle, who may not be a particularly nice fellow, gets his little nephew a glass of water when that nephew is sick in bed and thirsty. The uncle (in the mind of the little nephew) becomes an "ally," and the uncle become identified with "Survival!"

    Now, who would have thought that "Mankind's Greatest Friend," on whom the "Survival!" of Mankind, and the "Survival!" of each person (Scientologists, through Ron's "Bridge") depended, would use the "ally computation" and the "Survival mechanism" in order to deceive, manipulate, and exploit? Nah, that could never happen.

    However, it did happen, and not only years later, but sometimes the same day, or previous to Hubbard mentioning a deceptive, manipulative or destructive mechanism or tactic.

    But it was disguised, and so wasn't recognized. Hubbard's warnings about the race between Dianetics or/and Scientology and the atomic bomb were regarded by Scientologists as warnings by their, and Mankind's, #1 "ally," L. Ron Hubbard. Who amongst Scientologists suspected? Yet, the warning noted above - from 1956 - was less than a year after Hubbard had published, and distributed, his fake "Russian Psychopolitics textbook" (which of course denounced Dianetics), a "textbook" that, amongst the haughty "Russian Commie"-sounding rhetoric, and references to psychiatrists practicing lurid sex with their (unconscious) patients, "Pain-Drug-Hypnosis," shock treatment, lobotomies, etc., was a compendium of enemy ("Russian Communist") ideas and practices for "asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties."

    From Hubbard's "Russian Textbook":

    "The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

    Even "Survival!" - used to manipulate - was mentioned in the fake "Russian Textbook":

    "It is pointed out in many early Russian writings that this is a survival mechanism. It [the "Survival!" mechanism] has already been well and thoroughly used in the survival of Communism."

    Hubbard's 1955 "Russian Textbook" was loaded with manipulative and exploitative ideas and practices, many of which were being used on Scientologists themselves - used on them by their "Greatest Friend" and ally, L. Ron Hubbard - ideas and practices which were, ultimately, from the 1960s onward, formally incorporated, by Hubbard, into Scientology doctrine and practice.

    Yet, who suspected? Yet, it was right there. And because it was right there it was unthinkable.

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  3. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    A newspaper review in 1950 (no doubt planted by Hubbard or one of his cohort) ended by saying "...history is now a race between Dianetics and the Bomb."

    And Hubbard, like Moses, died in sight of the promised land...

    Shortly after his death the Warsaw Pact and USSR dissolved and with them the first great threat of nuclear holocaust

    Dianetics won round one but dianetics is being so vehemently opposed The Bomb will probably take Round Two
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Does this have anything to do with the subject of this thread? Or are you just here to push forth your agenda as Hubbard's apologist?
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  5. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Mention of a race between Hub's work and The Bomb is in your preceding post

    The historic fact that the race was won is sequitur to your post

    It is noted you firmly dispute that Hubbard's work was ever in any way relevant too the disappearance of "The Iron Curtain" and the end of The (Thankfully) Cold War.
  6. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    CP ....where did you get the idea that Hubbard's work had anything to do with the disappearance of "The Iron Curtain"?
  7. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    When Hubbard died and took his curtain to Target 2, 'thanks Toto' ,then of course there was no longer an Lying Curtain....... here on this planet.
    Except shyster lawyers working for DM, OSA and CP are busy trying to erect a new one. I doubt they will cum to much success.
  8. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    My guess is the same place hubbard pulled all of his war stories out of.
  9. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, Hubbard did use enemy tactics against members in good standing.

    He used distraction and deflection to hide his own crimes
    He used Sec Checks.

    He use letters to Ron to find out any counter intention.

    He used shore stories

    He lied about the results of his tek

    He had his Office of Government Affairs, later the GO which eventually became named OSA hide and attack the truth about the failure of his tek and to stop via harassment and threats including legal ones against critics, which was an additional method of information control which hurt members in good standing because they were not exposed or alerted to the falsity of his tek claims.
  10. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Hubbard was a predator, with all the rest of the world as his prey. As such, he would use whatever tactics he thought would work against anybody he wanted to steal from.

    As such, it wasn't a case of "Church of Scientology members in Good Standing", but rather, "who's got something Hub wants, and what needs to be done to get it from them?"

    Case in point: the Mission Holders network. They had accumulated lots of assets over the years. Finally, Hub decided it was time to harvest those assets, while eliminating any who dared to think they should have any influence over Scientologists. Only Hub was allowed to have any admiration, and he would move to destroy anybody who displayed any charisma.
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  11. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    That's not very nice. :giggle:
  12. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    It's a claim from the Church.

    This is how it works:

    To bring down the iron curtain all it takes is OTs going in session and flowing theta and postularing ARC.

    However, to raise the NBSRAW or something none of that theetieweetie postulate stuff is allowed. Instead, you have to go all MESTy and go door-to-door physically selling the books.

    Funny how that works.
  13. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Because I was in the loop for that operation sweetheart and the CIA agent who recruited me specifically mentioned my study of scientology as the training which qualified me for recruitment
  14. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    the truth involves much fewer chuckles
  15. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    In an 8 March 1963 HCOB, Hubbard defined an implant as:

    "An electronic means of overwhelming a thetan with a significance. Use was made of the actual patterns of living to impress and entrap a thetan and force obedience of behavior patterns."

    (Those patterns of living were collected by Hubbard during his (actual) GPM (Goals, Problems, Mass: essentially mental knots resulting from living) research of the late 1950s and early 1960s. That research dead-ended, but Hubbard, in the Clearing Course and OT 2, used the information ("actual patterns of living") to entrap.

    Hubbard became the "Implanter" - officially - when he told Scientologists the (deadly serious, dangerous, too difficult to discover on their own, yet vital to their survival) contents of their own minds (and spaces) through his "Confidential Upper Level" materials. (This is true for all OT levels.)

    He even gave them electro-meters, which would "tell them" that the dangerous and vital-to-survival significance was "true," thus "using electronics [the e-meter] to overwhelm with significance."

    Hubbard assured Scientologists that any doubts they might have would disappear once they saw the reads (reactions) on the meter. It was common to see "upper level" Scientologists enjoyably emotionally overwhelmed in the belief that they had accessed previously inaccessible portions of the "whole track." (And would soon be eligible for OT 3, the "Wall of Fire.") This can be one of many "aberrative pleasure moments" for Scientologists (including Independent Scientologists), sticking them to Scientology.

    "Actual patterns of living" were included "to impress and entrap."


    Hubbard, from 14 August 1963, during a lecture - as he sometimes did - told his followers what he was secretly doing to them - in this instance couched in a description of psychiatry:

    "Psychiatry is authoritarian and tells a person what's wrong with him, often introducing a new lie."

    (And who amongst the Scientologists would suspect? After all, they were being warned about what the "enemy" did, and by their best "friend.")

    It all seemed very adventurous - travelling down the "whole track" with RON leading the way - and with the meter, it seemed very scientific, and it was definitely impressive.
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  16. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    What did the CIA agent recruit you for...specifically?
  17. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    And what does the truth involve?
  18. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    Okay...that's enough nuttiness for tonight. :tobed:
  19. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    The question is:

    Did LRH use enemy tactics against Church of Scientology members in Good Standing?

    Absolutely, he DID!

    Examples . . .

    Here we see Hubbard lying about Diantics during the period he had lost control of the copyright:
    Altered versions of 8-8008 and lies re Dianetics . . .
    And it written out . .

    Here is an example of Hubbard betraying and sabotaging Chuck Berner (a SHSBC student) and stealing the "study materials" Berner had developed.
    Study Tech, the Berners, etc. ACW

    Here is the exposure of Hubbard's criminal action against Alan Walter where Hubbard acted to steal Alan's Missions by having the GO lie to the IRS by telling them Alan had committed tax fraud and that the IRS should act against Alan . . . this one is a horror story!!
    Crimes and deceit by Hubbard . . . Alan’s Been Kidnapped:!-(was-John-McMaster-s-partial-story!)

    This info relates to Hubbard falsely accusing, in 1969, all auditors of having dropped out Dianetics . . . when in fact it was HIM who killed off Dn tech due to his loss of copyrights . . .
    Here is the thread:

    And here is a post I made that revealed (with scanned images of 8-8008) Hubbard massively contradicting himself over the use and validity of Dianetics, then lying to us and blaming us for "having dropped out the tech."

    Here Hubbard is exposed for having run on all Scientologists the destructive LIE that "blows" are caused by overts and W/Holds . . . note Hubbard ran this evil on the endeavor soley for the purpose of CONTROL of the faithful!!
    Hubbard’s lie and perversion on O/Ws don’t cause blows . . . ARCX’s do. (Bill Franks)
    My rely

    The above ought suffice.

  20. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Never mind... you can't handle THE TRUTH! :)
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