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Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by radar, Jan 10, 2008.

  1. radar

    radar Patron

    I knew about Hubbard when I was a young man from his science fiction books. The xenu story, body thetans , floating needles,OT levels, implant stations in the sky which are so much a part of scientology beleif and tech, remind me of his science fiction books and are obviously are just an extension of Hubbards science fiction imagination. Somehow he turned his science fiction thinking into some sort of Pseudo science with an OLOGY on the end. But why do so many intellegent people get sucked into this beleif system ?
  2. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    That's an ongoing question with no single or simple answer, but, the most universal is 'they were tricked'.

    Nobody 'joins' Scientology for what Scientology really is. And, of course, nowdays and highly represented here on ESMB, they were *born* into it. Currently this seems to be the foundation of almost all 'Church' growth.

  3. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Some might argue whether or not I'm intelligent :)melodramatic:) but I have to say I'm still inclined to believe in implant stations in the sky, BTs, even floating needles!

    I just checked that I still believe in these things and I don't just say I do to make Mick laugh, but yes, I believe.

    Do I know for sure? No.
    One thing I have doubts over is the whole OTIII story as described.
    I do remember Xenu though, although by another name. He came up in my auditing long before I heard the OTIII story. I had a hard time not self-invalidating some more track recall on him during recent auditing because he's been made into this boogeyman figure. When I accepted that it was him I felt a lot better.
  4. radar

    radar Patron

    Why do you believe that Implant stations in the sky exist?
  5. radar

    radar Patron

    This is true of the Watchtower organisation also
  6. alex

    alex Gold Meritorious Patron

    Disregarding your "characterizations" of scientology as pseudo science and obvious imaginings, and a belief system, I would have to say "because it works".

    The long answer would be that people can try out the techniques and see the effect of them. They can examine the ideas and see how they apply to life. They can experience "body thetans" and floating needles.

    If all the things you mention did not have corresponding real experiential backup, then intelligent people would not get sucked into it.

    Read peoples stories and you will see than in many cases, "scientology" did work for them for a time, but that the culture of the church was the main factor in them abandoning it.

    Perhaps a way you could look at it is to separate the subject of scientology and its philosophy and technology from the activities and culture of the "Church" that is the main promoter of such.

  7. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    You want me to explain why I'm crazy? :whistling:


    Recall. Overts and motivators.

    Also, the fact that seeing the space station in 2001 A Space Odyssey made me sick as a dog for a couple of days and I still feel like puking when I hear The Blue Danube Waltz (having said that, a lot of modern music makes me feel like puking - especially rap :) )

    I ought to add that I'm willing to be disabused of all these notions. It's how I see things right now and I'm willing to change my point of view.

    It's not even an important belief - just a way-out and wacky one. Important beliefs are ones such as the need for personal integrity and treating others as you'd like them to treat you, etc.
  8. radar

    radar Patron

  9. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

  10. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I can see how that would give you, particularly, a huge relief. :)
  11. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    You say the sweetest things! :biglove:

    The other technique would be to hang out where there are plenty of fools even bigger than you are. Hmmm, I wonder who they could be? :whistling: