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France: Scientology appeal trial Nov. 3 - Dec. 1, 2011

Discussion in 'France and Belgium' started by mnql1, May 9, 2011.

  1. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Posted by Nov. 17, 2011 by Jonny Jacobsen ("Albion") on WWP:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...al-nov-3-dec-1-2011.88104/page-3#post-1959324

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...al-nov-3-dec-1-2011.88104/page-3#post-1959340

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...al-nov-3-dec-1-2011.88104/page-4#post-1959400

     
  2. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    :omg:
    Wow!
    So they bought off people, tried every possible way to delay proceedings and now throw in the towel?
     
  3. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Nov. 17, 2011 on the website of Le nouvel Observateur:
    Une ancienne présidente de la Scientologie porte plainte pour vol
     
  4. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Silver Meritorious Patron

    Perhaps someone in the Court of Appeals has located the Simon Bolivar reference and has word-cleared it and is applying it standardly....missing docs and all....

    Of course the c of s would never do something like that. :coolwink:

    Thanks for posting all the updates, mnql1. Much appreciated!
     
  5. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Tony Ortega mentions the appeal trial inn his Village Voice blog today (Thursday, November 11, 2011):
    Scientology Storms Out of Court in France, Getting Hammered in Florida: It's Time for Thursday Stats!

     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2011
  6. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    In some places if you don't appear for a hearing, you automatically lose your case.

    I wonder what happens in France?

    Anyway I believe this retrial has mainly had the effect so far of reminding the French what BAD PEOPLE Scientologists are.

    But they started it. Are they stupid or something? :duh:

    Edited to say: if any of you are as old as me you may remember January 2008, and half a dozen protestors outside the CoS in Paris, and no-one paying much attention. Things have changed, boy, have they ever!
     
  7. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a comment by Olivier Saumon, the attorney representing the National Council of the Order of Pharmacists, a plaintiff at both the first trial and the appeal trial, regarding the walk-out of Scientology's lawyers and defendants from the appeal trial on Nov. 17, 2011:
    An article posted on Nov. 17, 2011 on the francetv.fr website points out that two other cases against Scientology are pending.

    The first case concerns a private school, Institut Aubert de Vincennes, which is accused of having taught Scientology precepts while the parents of the pupils had no knowledge of this. A French article dated May 11, 2011 reported that the judicial investigation is nearing completion and that the prosecutor's office in Créteil recommended that four persons stand trial. This case began in 1998 and the school is now closed.

    The second case is based on the complaint filed by ex-Scientologist Alain Stoffen and is still under investigation. A French article dated June 17, 2009 gives a brief timeline:
    - Nov. 4, 1960: Alain Stoffen born in Etterbeek, Belgium.
    - Oct. 1985: First Scientology "course".
    - 1994: Met his wife.
    - 1998: Birth of their son.
    - 1999: Marriage ends in separation.
    - 2001: Discovers his "ethics file" and how he was manipulated.
    - 2002: Files a complaint.
    - Sept. 2006: The investigating judge dismisses the case.
    - May 2007: The appeal court invalidates the dismissal and the investigation is resumed.
     
  8. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Nov. 18, 2011 on the website of Le Figaro:
    Comment la Scientologie a sapé son procès
     
  9. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Update posted on Nov. 22, 2011 by Jonny Jacobsen ("Albion") on WWP:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...al-nov-3-dec-1-2011.88104/page-5#post-1965727

     
  10. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Nov. 22, 2011 on the website of Le nouvel Observateur:

    Procès de la scientologie: prévenus et parties civiles s'affrontent à distance

     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2011
  11. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    I like this model of how a cult works from the above article:

    "Seduction," "deconstruction of personality", and "reconstruction", where a person "is given the tools to become an actual proselytizer".

    A detailed examination of Scientology from that view would be interesting. Obvious similarities pop into my head immediately.
     
  12. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Two photos of the Nov. 22, 2011 protest by Scientologists outside the Paris court of appeal:

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    The smaller signs say: "Biased trial: We won't take it any more", "Justice for Scientologists", "No to an unfair trial" and the large sign reads: "Scientology: No to a trial for heresy"

    Source: http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg864/scaled.php?tn=0&server=864&filename=heqht.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640, via http://groups.google.com/group/fr.soc.sectes/browse_thread/thread/4f4550c37b4812cb#

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    Source: http://scientologuescontreladiscrimination<dot>com/2011/11/22/manifestation-des-scientologues-pour-denoncer-une-justice-inequitable/ (<dot> inserted because this is a Scientology website)
     
  13. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    Keep up the good work mnql1 !!!!

    I'm following along day-by-day.

    Seems the French justice system has more "confront" than the Americans.

    Hope you keep posting through to the verdict!
     
  14. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    More photos of the Nov. 22, 2011 protest by Scientologists outside the Paris court of appeal.

    Source: Photos by Marc Chaumeil.

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  15. mnql1

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  16. Captain Koolaid

    Captain Koolaid Patron Meritorious

    Hubbard dental tech? Yikes.

    Edit: The pic with the woman wearing a black hat won't load. What am I doing wrong?
     
  17. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Wrong?

    No, consider yourself lucky. :omg:
     
  18. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Nov. 24, 2011 on the website of Le nouvel observateur:
    Une amende d'un million d'euros requise contre la branche française de la Scientologie
     
  19. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of an excerpt from a French article posted on Nov. 24, 2011 on the ouest-france.fr website:
    Amende de 1,5 million d’euros requise en appel contre la Scientologie parisienne
     
  20. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious