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France's supreme court reviewing Scientology's appeal

Discussion in 'France and Belgium' started by mnql1, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on September 4, 2013 on the website of the daily newspaper Libération:
    Sectes: la condamnation de la scientologie examinée en cassation
     
  2. LA SCN

    LA SCN NOT drinking the kool-aid

  3. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Posted by The Hollywood Reporter on September 4, 2013:
    More in the article on The Hollywood Reporter's website:
    French High Court Set to Rule on Scientology Case
     
  4. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    "Name me one church that does not ask its parishioners for money," said Louis Boré, the attorney representing Scientology before the Court of Cassation, responding to France Presse. The lawyer cited Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees freedom of religion.

    Show me another church that encourages people to mortgage their homes, empty out their retirement accoutns, get future will money upfront, max out credit cards, borrow money from Aunt Zelda.

    Rd00
     
  5. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is a difference between ask and demand, between donation and extortion...
     
  6. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious


    Yep, one gets you more $. Just ask the Catholic Church. That's where El Ron learned the "give us money or face a destroyed eternity" meme from.

    The % of people who are unaware of any history that happened before their own birth is staggeringly high these days.
     
  7. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    "Name me one church that does not ask its parishioners for money," said Louis Boré, the attorney representing Scientology before the Court of Cassation, responding to France Presse. The lawyer cited Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees freedom of religion.

    Clearly the answer to Mr. Boré's question is: Scientology. LFBD F/N

    The freedoms belong to the individual, not to the religion.

    For exiting Scientologists, who do have these rights and freedoms, the way to start handling their Scientology problems is to stop applying Scientology, and to refuse the "help" that comes their way from "friendly" outward-facing Scientologists. (Ref. The Deadly Quartet) Scientology is not solved with more Scientology, which of course includes their disgusting blow drills, recovery programs, repair sessions, etc.

    I believe Rathbun, Rinder, et al.'s apostate program serves the purpose of preventing or delaying Scientologists' exercise of their freedom of religion, which is their freedom to leave Scientology. They do this in a number of ways, which include denying the correct source of the Scientologists' difficulties and abuses, i.e., L. Ron Hubbard.
     
  8. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious

    Degraded Being, you don't know the history of the Catholic church?
     
  9. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    World to Scientology: "That thing you're doing right there - really sucks!"
    Scientology: "Oh, the Catholics, the Catholics! Look over there! Let's talk about them! Let's hate them!"
    World: "Fuck off and die, cult, and the sooner the better."
     
  10. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious

    Umm, what ARE you going on about now?
     
  11. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Trolls who go on about how we should look at the Catholics every time somebody criticises Scientology.
     
  12. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    After a nearly three-hour hearing the court announced it would hand down its ruling on October 16.
     
  13. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    How do you think it is likely to go, Albion?
     
  14. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    Very difficult to say: some of the arguments were familiar from the appeal court hearings, but there were some new lines of attack.

    As I reported last year, the defendants and lawyers walked out half-way through the trial on appeal: now they are arguing that the appeal court should have halted proceedings and taken the time to ensure that the defendants got replacement lawyers.

    The lawyer for the counter-cult group UNADFI argued that this was a bit rich considering that not just the lawyers but the defendants had chose to walk out of proceedings.

    All three of the defence lawyers presented well-argued cases, but remember that in this court we are arguing points of law, not the facts of the case.

    Impossible for me to say which way it will go as I can't say if any of the legal points raised -- and which they insist are fatal to the case -- are as valid as they say they are.

    Suffice to say I wasn't myself convinced. Wrote a few lines for Tony Ortega at The Underground Bunker, but they are not up yet. If I have some time later tonight/tomorrow, I'll try to write something a bit more substantial at Infinite Complacency.

    Best, Jonny
     
  15. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious

    Now you are just babbling. Just because you are WHOLLY ignorant of religion & history is no reason to to show your ignorance online.

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  16. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Thanks, Jonny. I have a bit of a nervous feeling about this one. And an even worse feeling about the European court actually. I'll look out for the Bunker piece and anything further you might post.
     
  17. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    <ALSO DELETED M2>.
     
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  18. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Before I reply are you an Anon or an Ex Scientologist so I can modify my reply to you on this.
     
  19. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on September 4, 2013 on the website of the daily newspaper Libération:
    En cassation, la scientologie attaque tous azimuts sa condamnation
     
  20. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious