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Freewinds Asbestosboat's future victims?

Discussion in 'Gold Base, Freewinds, and FLAG' started by AnonKat, Nov 24, 2010.

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  1. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Apparently, getting cancer from asbestos requires the inhalation of the fibers over a long period of time. So, short time exposure does not cause cancer.

    A short visit, by public, won't be a problem BUT a long time staffer, there, might develop cancer.
  2. Stat

    Stat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Good info, Prog. Thank you.
  3. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    I am a sister :yes:

    I understand you. I have the example from my father in law and I see a big risk for Freewinds visitors even DM. DM is ill in his mind, he is megalomaniac. Who knows what he think and I don't want to know what he thinks.

    I have other informations. It exists people, they had only ones contact with Asbestos and they got cancer. It is different from person to person and the "form" of the asbestos:)

    But the longer the contact the higher the risk.
  4. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

  5. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    lung cancer

    Actually even inhaling a little bit could (but might not) cause lungcancer in the long run. Because the Asbestosfibers hook themselves into lining of the lungs

  6. Stat

    Stat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you, German sister. :yes: I stay corrected.
    And I get your point.
  7. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Very interesting.
    Here is one source of info:

    It seems that there are a lot of variables, here.
    But it still seems to me that it requires more than a short term exposure.
  8. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Excerpts from
    Mesothelioma, more precisely malignant mesothelioma, is a rare form of cancer that develops from the protective lining that covers many of the body's internal organs, the mesothelium. It is usually caused by exposure to asbestos.
    And further down the page:
    Symptoms or signs of mesothelioma may not appear until 20 to 50 years (or more) after exposure to asbestos.​

  9. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Hmm... 1 to 3 months of exposure, as said in that article, could be enough in some cases.
    Is that the usual sensitivity in most individuals?
  10. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yes, there are lots of variables. I read it too. BUT the DOSE can be with one visit very high. We don't know how much Asbestos is there in the air. It must get proofed. Doesn't exist public health authority that can view the Freewinds. They can control the air and the material. Other is speculation.

    BUT I wouldn't go on this ship.
  11. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist


    Yeah, we are doing a lot of speculating.
    Still trying to read various sources of info on this subject.

    Some people may be more sensitive to this substance than others. :confused2:

    It still seems to me that for most people, it requires prolonged exposure. But I am willing to be corrected.
  12. Stat

    Stat Gold Meritorious Patron

    One thing I know for sure.
  13. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Watch and learn


  14. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

  15. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    I am reading too, maybe we find answers.

    Yes, I found the same. It exists people they are having the Asbestos in the body, but they won't get ill and other get ill.

    Here I see it different, if you are going in a room that is full with little parts of Asbestos and you take a deep breath, than you might have the same Asbestos in your lung, than a person that works three month in a room with less Asbestos. The cancer comes from the little Asbestos particles in your lung. The body can't make it away..... The end result is a tumor. The more Asbestos is in the lung, the higher is the risk.

    You understand what I mean.:)

  16. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Patron with Honors

    According to the asbestos abatement training I underwent in preparation for removing asbestos impregnated roofing materials, it takes only one fiber of asbestos embedded in the lung to cause mesothelioma and 20-40 years for mesothelioma to develop. Smoking increases the chances of developing lung cancer as well, providing a suitably sticky resin in the lungs to entrap and encapsulate fibers.

    Clearly, repeated and prolonged exposure to fibers from friable asbestos increase the likelihood of developing mesothelioma, and most folks who develop it have done so after such exposure. I knew a man 20 years ago who'd been a mechanic and had developed the disease after many years of doing brake jobs.

    When we were tearing off asbestos impregnated roofing, we saturated the roofing materials, then used manual means (not a roof cutter) to cut it before scooping it up with shovels and double bagging and duct taping the debris bags for removal to the dump, where it simply was discarded with all the other regular garbage. We were in Tyvek suits and wore respirators through the whole process.

    Granted, the single or infrequent exposure to less friable asbestos in the form of tiling doesn't carry the same risk as roofing tear-off or pipe-insulation removal, but as I said, it takes only one fiber in the lung to cause disease.

    It is unconscionable to hand out dust masks and ice chippers to a group of folks who are ostensibly your parishioners and tell them to go to town on asbestos tiling, especially when the church has ridiculously more than enough money to fund certified abatement at no risk to poorly equipped volunteers.
  17. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Given that it was supposed to ferry cars, with gas tanks full of flammable gasoline, one would think that the original builders would have been EXTREMELY afraid of fire on board the ship, and would have put asbestos everywhere.
  18. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

  19. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    To go back to the photographs, they are dated between 12 May and 27 May 2010, a period when the failboat was in the Lesser Antilles, shuttling from Barbados to St Lucis and perhaps a third port as there are regular gaps in the information. 13 May was a Thursday so start of the week and its stats; 27th likewise.

    It seemed to me these people were from some relatively impoverished Eastern European country, not Slavs, though one of the man looked Slavic. They are not smart enough to be Americans - they have bad dentition, bad hair, and are obviously poor enough to answer the call for slave labour. Are there orgs in Romania, or Bulgaria? Poland, anyone?

    As for the tiles they might or might not contain asbestos but they seem to be damped down. The problem (as I understand it) is with air-borne dust which arises when the boat is underway and gets into the ventilation ducts. Apparently she vibrates something awful and the asbestos being god knows how old is friable.

    Am I right in thinking that normally MEST work like this would be done by Sea Org or RPF? Where IS everyone these days? And how come it wasn't included in the $28 million spent 2009-2009?

    As for cases of mesothelioma I know of one certain example (as certain as can be without reading the death certificate), which is Pamela Mallison, one-time IAS reg who lived on board for 9 years, got ill, was shipped off to the RPF at Saint Hill Manor, EG, and died there eventually of lung cancer. I would say, from memory, in 2006.

    So far I have not identified any other similar cases but CoS is very coy about causes of death. They would probably describe mesothelioma as "natural causes".
  20. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Earlier in the same article: