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From OTVII comp to Ex-Scientologist in under one year .

HappyGirl

Gold Meritorious Patron
Mrs. P!!! OMG!!! This is what I came to ESMB for - your story. I would not have been able to EP ESMB if you had not written this. This also really clears up some things you told me that I didn't understand. You and Feral have been so supportive to me from when I first started here on ESMB, and your support was so appreciated, but this is what I needed to hear! Thank you so much for writing this. You just don't know!! It made my Christmas (and I'm Jewish). I laughed, I cried, it changed my life. And I'm so happy about the way your story ends. I just rated this story a 5.
Big hugs to you and Feral.
:bighug: :grouphug: :bighug:
And you have a great holiday, too!!
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Thanks FOTi,

we did recently get all our unused money back that was on account - SHSBC's at the AO, INTs on account at Flag and the Ship.

Unfortunately my last trip used up about 5 or 6 ints - that's an awful lot of money that I could of saved if I'd of cogged beforehand.

But I look at it this way - I will never , ever wonder ...just what if I had finished OTVII - because I DID and I know with certainty from the bottom of my heart that I got the EP and that there was nothing that I did not handle as a solo auditor that has somehow influenced my decision today .

In other words I can never wonder if I failed as a solo auditor - if others who are still in, want to say I did fail, then they have to admit that my CS, D of P, the deputy CS, Senior CS, MAAs, Qual and RTC have also failed !

My dealings with OSA on the repayment cycle only served to further convince me that we had made the absolute right decision.:happydance:

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This is one of the fundamental ways that the cult undermines a Scientologist's self-confidence and ability to make decisions for themselves about their own lives.

"Your decision was because of your case".

There is no such thing as "case" as defined by L Ron Hubbard.

There is no "reactive mind", as defined by L Ron Hubbard.

They were only parts of an "other-determined" self-identity called "Scientologist" that could be installed and used to undermine your own thinking.

Once a Scientologist overcomes this deeply installed coercion, and makes a decision for their own life in the face of their onslaught to do otherwise, the game is over.

The whole house of cards that is Scientology comes crashing down.

And the person is their true self again.

Congrats, Mrs. P.

You made it through the Last "Wall of Fire".
 

Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Dear Vinnie,

What thought provoking questions. Hubby and I had a quick chat about them and here are our answers as best as I can put them . I'm not a techie so my understanding may not be the same as others who have had a fuller/broader view of the tech

1. ) Yes the OT levels from OTII up have some aspects of dianetics - the recalling of incidents and running through, spotting the beginning of incidents etc.


2. ) Tricky - I think the underlying goal of OT levels is to make you as a being more powerful here in the MEST universe. The levels address the hidden influences of other entities so it does have a spiritual aspect . I think eastern philosophies are much more spiritual - the OT levels keep you fixed firmly in the physical universe by demanding such huge amounts of money in exchange and in my opinion to produce that volume of money takes real physical work in the physical universe.


3. ) The real justifications I think are self preservation for the Church, and to create a mystery which will keep people coming and make the huge profits . Keeping the data secure so no one knows what it is - then people are willing to pay more for this valuable scarce commodity.

Also as you are probably aware of what is on these levels as it is covered all over the internet - it can easily be ridiculed. I think all religions have their "religious stories" that can be ridiculed and many other religions deal in entities - but Ron's OTIII story is ...well rather easily mocked - the Churches respectability has to be upheld.


Thank you for being so forthright, clear, and expressive about your experiences on OT VII.

I never did any OT levels, but I had great wins on TRs and Early Dianetics when I first came into Scientology in 1969. There were incredible wins, and could be compared to the wins on OT Levels in my opinion.

I have the following questions for you:

(1) Does the tech of OT Levels appear in DMSMH in some rudimentary form? If so, what parts of DMSMH address it?

(2) Does the goal pushed on OT Levels still attach you to the MEST universe, as opposed to the goal in eastern philosophy to detach oneself from the physical universe?

(3) What in your mind is the justification for keeping OT materials confidential? Could it be the competition stealing that data?

Thank you,
Vinaire

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Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Thank you HappyGirl - I am so glad it has helped you - it has really helped me too. It made me put things in perspective - acknowledge the wins and identify the outpoints, insanities and things that I could finally no longer go along with.

This will be our first Christmas where we can spend it with family without either of us having to "bug out" to solo - which was always a PTP. Its going to be great.

I feel so fortunate to have such a great family - and I feel for any one out there who is without their family at Christmas - especially those who have been disconnected - my thoughts are with you.

I wish you all MERRY CHRISTMAS and fabulous 2009.

:happydance::happydance: :happydance:



Mrs. P!!! OMG!!! This is what I came to ESMB for - your story. I would not have been able to EP ESMB if you had not written this. This also really clears up some things you told me that I didn't understand. You and Feral have been so supportive to me from when I first started here on ESMB, and your support was so appreciated, but this is what I needed to hear! Thank you so much for writing this. You just don't know!! It made my Christmas (and I'm Jewish). I laughed, I cried, it changed my life. And I'm so happy about the way your story ends. I just rated this story a 5.
Big hugs to you and Feral.
:bighug: :grouphug: :bighug:
And you have a great holiday, too!!
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
Side note

I think it was on this trip, or perhaps the one before, that I saw Tom Cruise get on the level. Of course Tom was given the VIP treatment – this went as far as the fact that he had a full time Qual consultant as his personal twin. This meant that compared to everyone else he zoomed through the course as he only ever one way flowed it. And as there were only 3 Qual consultants – everyone else had to share 2 !!! so anyone needing a Qual consult had to join a queue ! :grouch:

Tom also never had to do any of the security stuff. His personal Qual consultant did all the opening and closing of all the security doors and the carrying around of the security card and briefcase. Now all of you who have been on the level know how shit scared and paranoid one can get about all the security regulations and what a drag it is carrying that frigging briefcase with you all the time . Well Tom had none of that. :grouch:

He also had a bodyguard who met him outside the courseroom and escorted both Tom and the Qual consultant to the TWO penthouse suites across the road, where Tom and his kids and their DOG stayed whilst he was getting on the level . Oh the privileges of the rich and famous. But I personally thought he missed out on getting to know a whole bunch of terrific guys because he wasn't able to talk to any of the other public on the level. For me meeting new guys and re-connecting with old friends were the highlights of my Flag trips !!! :yes:



After I returned home I felt that I had to really change things to help my hubby – he was still auditing on the level but he had become quite depressed about our situation and nothing was helping him through it. He loved our little girl so much that her now obvious dubious future was too much for him to bare – he felt he could not create the future at all. How could this happen ... what had we done wrong ???. I had written it up to the CS , just in case somehow hubby had forgotten to mention it in his multitude of worksheets ( like yeh ! ) - still nothing had changed.:confused2:

Hubby had said he wanted to have a rural property and so I handled my considerations on this and we sold our house and bought a 5,300 acre cattle and sheep property. The idea was that he could work on the property and earn an income whilst also being near us to help out with our daughter. Initially this went well - lots of MEST and new things to confront - I was feeling quite revitalised and hubby was doing better.:yes:


But it was not long before a nation wide drought hit !!! This meant having to pay to feed the stock and lots of hard work to just to keep them alive. And to make matters even worse, one year after learning to walk, our daughter's left foot and leg had twisted so badly that she could no longer walk ! :bigcry:


I searched for and found a new type of therapy to handle this “structural collapse” on her left side - at least I was only required to do 3 hours a day of this ! But all in all we were back to doing it tough !

Our financial situation was seriously under pressure – I started to fund raise to pay for her therapy . It felt odd to have to do this given that we had hundreds of thousands of dollars on account in the Church. But I did not care I wanted to make it go right – and I managed to raise enough funds to cover her expenses for 2 years. :thumbsup:



Why did we continue on – persisting with solo nots when we were having such a hard time ? :duh:

Well I think there were a numerous reasons. Some of these would be ...

You are trained and drilled within an inch of your life to be a solo “auditor” – it is your responsibility to get the “PC” through it – the way out is the way through, so its not really a matter of whether or not “you” are doing well – the level is not really addressing “you” - so it's a matter of applying the tech standardly and continuing until the EP is achieved . ( The effect on “you” and your life is a by product of handling the hidden influences of these other beings ).

Also you so strongly believe that you are on the path to total freedom and you are on the last step of negative gain – after this its all positive gain – stuff for YOU – and now you are almost there – just persist. Remember what turns it on will turn it off !

Further if you give up – it is a bit of a long route to get back on if you change your mind. Yep long re-training cycles and long audited set-ups – definitely to be avoided at all costs.

Someone else, I think on this board, also compared being a Scientologist to the movie "The Truman Show". I love this analogy and call the phenomena “my Truman bubble”. So you see I was in "the bubble". I evaluated my whole life according to Scientology – so my lack of progress was something to do with me – it could be MU's, MWH's, evil purps, or some bizarre case factor not yet exposed – there had to be something and it would get found eventually and handled because my future eternity was at stake !


For me there was also a personal factor - I had NEVER failed at anything before in my life - so now I just decided I wasn't going to fail at this - I was going to DO IT !!!!

Hi Mrs. P., I just want to validate you for all your energy, creativity and effort to help your little girl. I know what its like- I spent years researching, trying every resource and technique to try to save my son from terminal cancer, ending recently. I know what its like, and I want you to know, you really are just the best mother.

Love, Dex
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
Since leaving I have had trouble reflecting on what I got out of Scientology. It is quite hard to quantify. I think many of the things I attributed to it I would of got anyway.

This totally indicates to me. Looking back (once again) at my auditing history I got very little out of it in retrospect. I've found that what the cult does is create case for you which then you need to spend money on to then get your newly created case problems handled. I recall always seeming to be case-y and having constant issues while in the cult than before I got involved and after I got out of the cult. I got tremendous case gain within several days after escaping just by getting the real truth behind scientology through the ACC newsletters, and books that were coming out then. Gawd! If the internet and ESMB, et al, were available in 1985 I'd have a field day reading 24/7! I think I would have exploded! Lol.

Your story was amazing. I can't fathom how you put up with all that BS for so many years! It sounds like you were already "OT" before you got in. I'm very excited for you and your family to have your first wog christmas and New Year! I'm sure it will be awesome! Let us know how it goes. Also, I'd love to hear your story of getting your money on account back and your dealing with the OSA.
:party:
 

fesiof

New Member
Thank you so much for sharing this. The part about letting Courtney just be Courtney left me in tears. When I was in as a teenager, I never felt like just being myself was good enough to please the mighty Scienos.

Merry Christmas to your whole family!!!!
 

HappyGirl

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you HappyGirl - I am so glad it has helped you - it has really helped me too.
I'm so glad it was good for you, too!! I'll be interested in hearing more as new undiscovered layers peel off - I am always surprised at what pops out. I keep thinking NOW I'm free but I keep getting even MORE free!! :woohoo: It's the greatest.
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
An amazing recounting of your journey along the bridge. Thank you so much for telling it. Welcome home!:thumbsup:

In the spirit of the season, and all year long, I wish you and your family and all here and elswhere, Love, Peace and Good Will.:yes:
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
That was a really great story. I wish I could write that easily. I read every new installment every day. But one thing is for sure. You have a heart of gold. It has been great for me as well to see how many positive people there are in the world. Positive people we had been trained to scorn. In the end who really knows what life is about. We are here for now and no one knows for how long. But we can enjoy people and life and who gives a fuck if we're not perfect. Your story really touched me. I guess because you just seem so honest and willing to do what seems like the right thing and give others the benefit of the doubt. A quality the cofs does not deserve and in fact punishes. I wish you well and I personally plan to send your story to others so that it might get them to think. Thanks again and Merry Christmas.
 

riptide

Patron with Honors
fantastic story thank you

I don't come by here much anymore but that was well worth it. I'd like to see more of this kind of exposure, and in the future, when i can, I'll toss in my two cents as well. I really wish to express my appreciation to Emma for creating this website and giving so many voices a chance to be heard, and especially for stories like this one to be told.

Slowly but surely we make a difference, and I see it as an "ethics gradient" rightfully intended for the the CofS that has been long over due.

Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings, Merry Christmas and Best Wishes to you all, may 2009 be the best year yet for the cause.
 

Tim Skog

Silver Meritorious Patron
Wow. Thank you for taking the time to tell this story.

As has been mentioned by several other posters here, to me the most amazing story of all was how you have handled the illness with your daughter. This world needs more feel good stories like yours.

I would love to hear more of Courtney's story.

Merry Christmas and all the best to you and your family for the future.
 

Pixie

Crusader
Phew! Well it's taken me some time to catch up with this story, and what a story!!! Thank you so much for sharing all that and I am so glad that you are now all doing so well. You are very brave and this is proof of your strength and fortitude. Good for you and may you continue to experience love and much happiness in your lives. :thumbsup:
 

Stephanie

Patron with Honors
Dear Mrs. Pattycake,

Congrats to you for surviving it! Thank You, Thank You for telling your story. I would have never known any of this without you and some of the other stories I have started reading.

I hope your children have wonderful lives. It broke my heart to hear how you and your daughter were treated until you started your own album campaign to wake the others up.

I used to think how grand life would be to be OT 7. One of my friends is on OT 7 right now, and just as you said that poor soul has NO time for anything. I can't imaging having to do all kinds of extra things with my time, I hardly get through all my work now.

I quickly learned being on course in the evening wasn't going to work for me.:ohmy: I also quickly learned that the time to complete isn't what is written on the check sheet. :ohmy:

It makes me sad to hear such blatent abuses. :no:

On a positive note however, you live a beautiful country. The trips you can take to such majestic places with all your *free* time.:yes:

Wishing you and your the best life has to offer.

Steph
 

Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Dear Thrak,

Thanks for the compliment - I see that you totally duplicate how I feel about life right now. Feel freee to send my story to whom ever you like.

::D .

That was a really great story. I wish I could write that easily. I read every new installment every day. But one thing is for sure. You have a heart of gold. It has been great for me as well to see how many positive people there are in the world. Positive people we had been trained to scorn. In the end who really knows what life is about. We are here for now and no one knows for how long. But we can enjoy people and life and who gives a fuck if we're not perfect. Your story really touched me. I guess because you just seem so honest and willing to do what seems like the right thing and give others the benefit of the doubt. A quality the cofs does not deserve and in fact punishes. I wish you well and I personally plan to send your story to others so that it might get them to think. Thanks again and Merry Christmas.
 

Consensus

Patron with Honors
Ms. P -

Once again, thank you for sharing this. I'm only now starting to read the accounts of people who have left since February (it takes time, both to leave, and to build up the courage to discuss it publicly). I'm glad things are going your way, and glad you found the courage to do what you did.
As an Anon, my concern of course is with breaking the CoS so others don't have to go through the same hardships and pains that you have. As such, I have a particular interest in what did and did not work with respect to our methods.
Your account here is very detailed, but nigh unreadable to anyone not thoroughly fluent in 'scientolese.' And yet, I'm sure there are thousands who would like to read your account over at whyweprotest.net. It would certainly contribute to the overall morale in the Anonymous movement. Would you be willing to write up a brief summary of your story, in 'plain english', particularly detailing how you came to question and ultimately leave the CoS? I'm sure with your background in PR, you'd understand the value that would have. I'm also quite interested in any advice or suggestions you have for the movement from here.

Feel free to register an account there or, if you prefer, send me the story via PM and I'll post it. Unless you intend to be an active member of that community (and have a thick skin and can take ridicule - think of it like 'hazing taken to the level of art'), I'd suggest the latter.

Of course, please don't feel any obligation. Regardless, I really enjoyed reading your story.
 

Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Dear Tim, Riptide and dchoice,

Thanks all of you for your validation and comments - it is so funny how during the entirety of OTVII, Scientology was so central to my life - now only a few months since leaving it means so very little in my life that some days I don't even give it a thought - hence my absence from the board over the past 2 weeks - I feel so FREE without "it" - how bizarre it seems now that I once thought it was my ticket to freedom - WOW !!!

:happydance: :happydance:


I'd like to write up more about Courtney - as many people have been interested - its just hard to know where to start and stop with that one. My husband reckons that I am the most boring person at a party as I always manage to change to the topic to brain injuries and how to help those suffering from them - but I always have an audience ... I reckon people really do like to hear those sort of fighting against all odds and making a positive out of it all type of story.

Anyway - I am currently very excited - Courtney is responding to well to a new biomedical therapy that I have started on about 9 weeks ago to handle her autistic tendencies. It takes a lot of research so I am very busy with that and I have found a great doctor in Sydney who specialises in the latest approaches - so I am thrilled that I don't have to travel overseas !!!

Love and hope are the best things for these kids !
Thanks again !!!
:happydance: :happydance:
 
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