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Helmut Flasch and Helen Chen

Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by Udarnik, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Anonycat piqued my interest in the activities of Freezoner Helen Chen in Taiwan. I'll repost some items from the original thread, but I am curious about her and her husband, Helmut Flasch. I'm starting this thread as a repository.

  2. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    I have some basic questions first:

    When did Helen and Helmut get into the Co$?

    What were they doing when they got married?

    What did they do before they were FSMs?

    Was Helen really OT8 when she left the Co$?

    What level was Helmut when he blew?

    When, exactly, did they blow?

    What are the FSM ranks - "Elite", "Power", etc. awarded for?

    Was Helen pulling this matchmaker shit when she was in the Co$?

    Does anyone know Helen's family background?

    Was Helmut in WISE while in the Co$?

    Since Helmut's "business consulting" seems, despite his vague claims to broader experience, to be aimed at foisting LRH tech onto dentists, did he steal a bunch of WISE clients when he went squirrel?

    What the fuck happened to the Helen Chen Academy?

    Where are the graduates of said Academy now?

    Any reports, aside from this one, about this pair of dingo's kidneys abusing their employees? (Heh, now that is proper application of pure LRH tech, isn't it? But that shit doesn't fly if the employee isn't brainwashed enough to sign a billion year contract).

    Aside from the sordid affair of the illegal overnight daycare with the 1:12 adult: child ratio (legal is 1:5) she was charging US$200 - $300 per month for (serious money for a working stiff in Taiwan), of course. I will be following that one as I get information. She's facing some serious charges in Taiwan on that one.

    I think that will do for a start.

    I'll try to get some clips of this huge movie flop she was in, trying to jumpstart a film career using some of her matchmaking clients.
  3. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Helmut G. Flasch
    DOB: 1/4/69
    Nationality: Austrian
    Zero LinkedIn connections:
    He has spammed this over a period of years:
    Ripoff Report:
    1987-2005 Completions:
    Spam Phone Call (reporting) site where Helmut defends his own reported phone number:

    Here's his quote of having 100 staff in California, although with all his self-salesmanship, his site went down not long after he's celebrating his own B.S. stories - note that all of his links now go nowhere:

    Conman Classic - a blog from 4 years ago, where he's trying again (he spams a lot) to sell the idea of using other people to promote you. It's simply pursuing "word of mouth" recommendations, but in a disingenuous manner, and with premeditation, and is mostly just spam.

    Hey, at least he got a couple of comments in the four years the blog has been up:
  4. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron


    Dentists and chiropractors. He has the same target demographic as WISE.

    Do you know what he did besides FSMing in the cult?

    And has Helen left his sorry ass to pursue her own interests in Taipei? That would be rich given all her "put marriage before career" rhetoric on her matchmaking sites.
  5. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is no question that she surrounds her love workshop clients with LRH materials..

    The Red volumes ( mind/counselling tech) I believe 18 of them are on her left under the clock wall and the Green Volumes )organization tech) (10 ?volumes )second shelf down by the window. I noticed on one of her marriage classes the TONE scale (issued by Bridge pubs) on a wall but can't find that video.

    In half a dozen RADIO TALKS shows and some more videos, I heard ZERO about LRH or Scientology, but from what I understand she is very pro LRH and keeps mentioning HONESTY but she HIDES her uses of Scientology in her lectures, TV interviews and Maybe her books( I have not seen inside any of them). I have to get out my dictionary again, and clear the word hypocrite. :confused2: Maybe there is a TR-HIDE in one of the HATS that she keeps referring to. . One minute and 28 seconds. Maybe, that probable private residence is doubling as her Academy?

    I have no idea what it takes to be a # 1 best Seller and matchmaker who's key focus is on getting married fast, lol before dating. Having married 50 couples as reported by her, hardly seems like a matchmaker of the century ( think Reverand Sun Myung Moon, Moonies/Unification cherch) or as she is often introduced in the media as an expert. :unsure:

    I wonder if she got her stats in by Thursday at 2 as that clock looks like it is a few seconds past..:biggrin:
  6. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    In the first youtube video of Helmut declaring he is firing Miscavige, Helmut states he has been in scn over 20 years (prior to 2010) and got over 40,000 people doing some form of Scn. Also that he spent a couple of years in India.
  7. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Another original article (not just recopied copy) on the death.

    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  8. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    He seems to be a wannabe money guru.


    Tons of spamming:

    Bio at his page:

  9. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    This is always going to be a problem for any Indie/FZ Operation. No "church" to hide behind and no OSA to help keep a lid on it when things go awry.
  10. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    What do you mean, Panda?

    Lots of non Co$ churches run daycares, nursing homes, hospitals, and all sorts of things without this kind of negligence.

    There is no need for things to go awry in the first place. If this "company" expected normal work hours, paid its employees well, and laid out the nursery according to the law, all of this would have been avoided.

    Or are you saying that any Indy operation is going to be modeled too closely on LRH management tech not to be a clusterfuck, and therefore are doomed to have flaps like this?
  11. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    What I'm saying is, Indies better get their Public Liability and Indemnity Policies in order if they're going to attempt to run anything bordering on CofS-style "expanding group" activities. Those Non-CofS churches you mentioned don't apply Hubbard's insane policies or subscribe to idiotic scientological attitudes.
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  12. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Ah, yes, I totally agree. Ron's management tech only works if you can hide from wog law behind a religious cloak.
  13. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Helmut Using his Sooper-Dooper OT FSM tech on Wogs

    I just found this. Gotta love that last quote. I loves me a woman who does her homework! :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

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      5 Feb 2010

      Foreign man ask for business owner specifically by name. Phone was crackling and I couldn't hear well. I told him owner was busy could I take a message. He said yes and put a woman on the line who started singing a phone number. That is when I hung up!

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      12 Feb 2010

      a man with an accent from another contry called demanding to speak to a dr. that was previously at our office.i explained that this dr. was no longer here and may i help him? he said he wanted to sedn us some patients and i said i could help him with that -- i asked him where he was calling from and as he began to explain he hung up


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      4 Mar 2010

      This number has now called me 9 times within the last 15mins. Its a foreign person trying to set me up for a meeting with they first started calling me on 401-903-4641. Now there calling on this 777 number. They keep saying that they will get the drs more new patients without having to pay for anything. This is really shaddy. Seems like a scam. Dont give out any of your information.
      Caller: Not Sure


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      4 Mar 2010

      This number has now called me 9 times within the last 15mins. Its a foreign person trying to set me up for a meeting with they first started calling me on 401-903-4641. Now there calling on this 777 number. They keep saying that they will get the drs more new patients without having to pay for anything. This is really shaddy. Seems like a scam. Dont give out any of your information.
      Caller: Not Sure


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      Helmut G. Flasch
      26 Oct 2011

      I am Helmut G. Flasch and this is one our marketing centers phones we legitamate business to help dentists in USA sell their services to patients and we operate according to sound Scientology principles. Just be sure to cooperate when my team calls and there will be no problems with the dental practice and if you like I will help you personally join other scientologists who now are very happy in life without their burden of material wealth holding down their joys. You everybody visit my business website and then my companies would contact you soon for evaluation of the services. I need your email address too for demonstration and then you will see it better and have money.
      Caller: Helmut G. Flasch
      Call Type: Telemarketer


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      Beverly K. Williamson
      14 Nov 2011


      Do you mean this scientology? ... ry-cult/1201168

      Nooooooooo THANKS!!!!

  14. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Regarding the previous post, is Helmut using Helen's Taiwanese org to make calls on the cheap? Is that why the foreign accents are noted by the recipients?

    And is that why the dead baby had to be watched by someone else while the parents made calls to a different time zone? :angry:
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2014
  15. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    The above quote is from the Apollo thread.

    Just what the fucking fuck were teenaged Taiwanese students doing here studying in LA when Hellen has a large school in Taipei? Did they have student Visas, or was she skirting the law on tourist Visas? And were they telemarketing for Helmut on the sly?

    And cooking classes? Just what kind of life was she preparing them for? Was this some sort of Green Card marriage scam? Is that how she makes her matchmaking numbers?

    Anyone who was there - what was the male to female ratio in that class?

    Something smells in Denmark, folks.
  16. Operating Wog

    Operating Wog Patron with Honors

    Wow, I just saw the name "Hellen Chen" in the new posts lists here. I knew Helen when she was first introduced to Scientology. She was the girlfriend of Boston public named Roderick Camelia, a then Berklee College of Music student. As I recall, Hellen was a bit of a hot shot pianist back then. She was a bit wild, and probably a bit too much for Roderick, who was about the most laid back guy you can imagine. I vaguely remember her moving to LA and never really thought about her again. But that's her in the pictures.
  17. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I was never associated with Hellen or Helmut but the following is a possible evolution of their activities.

    Knowns: Scientologist become FSM = Field Staff Members or stated another way, appointed Field Sales representatives for Scientology org and missions. All and any scientologist is expected to become such. There is a whole system set up to appoint them, train them and monitor/push them to be active.
    They get 10% commision for those they sell training to and 15% for those they sell 'auditing' to. I might have that backwards on commision but the figures are correct. This can be big money. I a John an FSM sells Zhengke a communication course at $75 then if John stays 'on top' of Zhengke's progress and selects Zhengke for the rest of her 'bridge' at the cost of say $300K that can be greater than $30K commission!

    So Helmet a business man also becomes a successful FSM, meets Helen and they hit if off romantically, but from what I have heard from Helen's mouth on youtube videos she put out, the relationship is largely focused as a business partnership that she believes marriages should be.

    Now we have two focused FSMs with next to no 'bridge production capacity' established in Taiwan but a large established 'production shop' clamouring for business in LA. Simple, get people started in Taiwan, figure out the 'student visa' aspect and sell sell sell using three closes on spiritual freedom, American economic and freedom opportunity as well as dovetailing in 'green card' and marriage/love aspects.

    I don't know how many would have 'come over' on religious visas or just visitor visas but I suspect most were initially 'Student visa'. That said it would have been whatever 'worked' and seemed safe.

    Next stage:

    Big upset between the orgs and Helen and or Helmut. Very possible reason for this is that Helmet and Helen had org registrars step in between and 'steal' their clients. FSM commissions are being lost to the orgs. FSM commission checks on sales that were made are not paid, yes it happens.

    Helen and Helmut split taking their clients with them and decide to co-mingle the 2 remaining 'business' aspects. Self delivery of 'bridge' and 'marriage/green card opportunity' become their focus and they also implement more of that in Taiwan as well.

    Prime motive is business/money. Secondary; hard to say but customers and employees often get the short shrift in a lot of businesses. Children; they become distractions but then again, even money can be made off of distractions with little effort which is probably what happened here.

    Thats my 'rough framework'. Details uncovered will make the picture clearer.
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2014
  18. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Quite plausible, but let's keep our minds open in the absence of data.

    Student Visas are quite hard to obtain if the educational institution is not accredited, as I doubt her Academy was. But, she may have contacts in the US government via her family. Dunno. I suspect her father was a ranking member of the KMT. Certainly, she would have been at the top of Taiwanese society in the 70s in order to have been sent to a conservatory to become a pianist and to have money to come to the US to play. OW's story of her being a wild child is another bit of data pointing to a privileged childhood.

    The lack of scruples in dealing with people might also stem from that kind of background. I have little love for the KMT elites.

    Anyone have data on that?

    OW, what would have been the timeframe when you knew her? Early 80s?
  19. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    Her father was a general.

    I heard that back in the mid 80s when's she arrived in LA and was helping ABLE a bit with their efforts to get into mainland China.
  20. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I meant the initial visas for her initial clients would have been for attending classes or services at the CO$, not her academy. I think it was Helmut who said something like 18 less students would be on course in PAC one day because they left essentially at his or Helen's beckoning.

    Open mind not a problem here, that is for sure. :thumbsup: