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How I got my IAS refund

Discussion in 'Leaving Scientology' started by tookmeawhile, Nov 7, 2008.

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  1. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    All right. Here is how I got my money back from the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I got the check for $5,350 last Saturday, Nov. 1st, 2008. Doesn’t get much more recent than that. This included annual and lifetime memberships going back to the 80’s. No, I didn’t ask for interest – didn’t want to push my luck!

    As you’ll see, I had a pretty good ace card to play with them – the saga of my then wife, in my opinion; going, being and staying insane at the hands of arrogant Scientologists and Sea Org members; particularly OSA (that's another story for another day). I’m not sure if I needed it or not to get my money back. I know someone else around 2003 that got their donations back saying basically that the money wasn’t used for what they were told, etc.

    I used the basic format from my Flag repayment and Dallas Org repayment/refund (that will be a separate thread later). Also, I googled Greg and Deb Barnes and found the letters that they sent – they got back $40,000 several years ago. :thumbsup:

    Why the IAS gave me back the money, I don’t really know. I’m not sure what part or parts compelled them to "refund" (return actually) my donations. It took them about a month to reply to me. I sent it to their L.A. office (address in the letter in the next post below) and also sent a copy to the IAS in England. Thier letter back to me said the IAS in UK but the letter was postmarked from Los Angeles, CA. Once I sent the signed waiver back (to their address in LA), they sent me the check within about a week. As far as all the other people I CC’d in the letter, including my attorney, pick whoever you think is appropriate - the more the merrier! As far as actually sending them copies, that’s up to you. :coolwink:

    As far as signing the Release and Waiver, there could be some implications for you. I don't know if they'd give you your money back without it. Good luck with that. Keep in mind that the IAS would be one of the entities that could possibly be sued if it indeed can be proven that the Freewinds exposed and caused people to get cancer from asbestos exposure. I do not know if this is the case or if it could be proven. Signing the waiver might prevent you from suing them down the road. I really don't know if their waiver is legal or not. BTW, they did not request that I have the waiver notarized.

    The next three posts will be as follows: 1) My letter to them. 2) Their reply and 3) The Release and Waiver they sent. I don't have a scanner so I retyped their letters so the format is not exact but the wording is the same. I removed the name of some of the Scientologists that were involved - some of them were probably actually trying to help at the time.


    Any questions, please reply on this thread. Hopefully, myself or someone else will know the answer. You can PM me instead if you wish.

    Without further ado, here is how I got my refund from the IAS...
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2008
  2. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    My letter to the IAS

    10 September 2008

    US IAS Members Trust
    International Association of Scientologists
    1311 N. New Hampshire
    Los Angeles, CA 90027

    RE: Refund of $5500 to Tookmeawhile


    My name is Tookmeawhile. I am a lifetime member of the IAS along with Roxann Richards. I hereby officially request a full refund on behalf of myself and Roxann and to cancel our memberships immediately. I paid in full to the IAS on my behalf and my spouse, $5500 US. I understand refunds are not normally paid but due to mitigating circumstances I believe it is in everyone’s best interest to return all monies paid in full and end cycle for myself and Roxann with Scientology and the International Association of Scientologists.

    Recently, some information and evidence has been obtained by myself. Roxann was kidnapped for some months in 1986 by Scientologists to do the Introspection Rundown in the Los Angeles area. She was tricked and kidnapped, drugged and imprisoned in a farmhouse in Lancaster, CA, a house on 18th St in Santa Monica, CA, and a house in Malibu, CA. She was held against her will by, but not inclusive, the following: XXXXXX, XXXXXX, XXXXXX, XXXXXX, XXXXXX, XXXXXX, XXXXXX. Roxann was given several legal and illegal drugs, without her consent, by Megan Shields [My Disclaimer: I have no direct proof of any illegal drugs given by Megan Shields so this is not being stated as fact; consider this not true and only opinion. If someone has proof please PM me! Roxann, some time after this occurred, sent Megan Shields a letter requesting a list of the drugs she took and Megan Shields never replied.] Dr. Denk was also a consulting physician who never physically saw Roxann. Roxann has memory loss of that time due to the drugs forcibly given to her at the time. I do have signed statements and supporting documentation from several witnesses made at the time. Roxann suffered severe cuts after she attempted to escape her captives by jumping through a glass window on the second floor. She was in need of medical attention for infections from deep cuts from the glass and was dangerous to self and others. However, she was not allowed to seek medical attention until she had been retrieved by family members after they notified the police of her abduction. This predates the Lisa McPherson case by several years.

    Not aware of the above, in 2003, Roxann went to AOLA with my check for over $38,000 to begin a clean up program. She had been given C/S okay (documentation can be provided) to receive auditing (progress program) – Roxann is OTIII – OT VII expanded. However, according to the OSA WUS Security Chief, Beth McKinley, Roxann was never going to be eligible to receive auditing again through the Church of Scientology. It was all a trick to get our $38,000. Due to the stress, restimulation and interrogation while being held against her will in August 2003 by OSA and RTC, Roxann had a nervous breakdown. Per OSA (Beth McKinley) instructions, Roxann was escorted away from the Orgs and encouraged not to seek medical assistance.

    Eventually, Doctor XXXXXXX was sent by OSA and prescribed Roxann mild sedatives in San Jose, CA. This is indicative, in my opinion, of an incorrect diagnosis. Roxann continued to be a danger to herself and others and subsequently ended up in a mental hospital.

    It appears the IAS is an advocate of, and not only condones but supports, these types of activities.

    After getting her life somewhat back in order, Roxann got into a horrific car accident in January 2005. She had serious injuries, including brain damage. While being transported the following month from one rehab hospital to another, a Suppressive Person Declaration was issued. Beth McKinley told me, “Roxann is PTS to herself and needs to be Declared”. This being done after I told Beth she suffered brain damage. Currently, Roxann is under the care of family members in Arizona with permanent brain damage. She will never be in a condition to do steps A to E, if she so desired – which she doesn’t, due to permanent medical disabilities.

    I, myself, Tookmeawhile have requested and received full repayments of unused services from Flag and repayment/refund from Dallas Org. Roxann has obtained refund from the Dallas Org.

    Therefore, we can not receive any perceived benefits from the IAS. Nor did Roxann ever receive Impact Magazine and I stopped getting them years ago – perhaps I was deadfiled? The monies paid to IAS were not used in a manner described to us at the time our money was “donated”. Documentation of these claims are all over the internet – in court documents, video’s and various reports, including but not limited to claims by Greg and Debra Barnes who received full repayment from the IAS of over $40,000.

    I paid for three annual memberships, $300 each, and my lifetime at $2000 for myself and two annual memberships, $300 each, and Roxann’s lifetime membership at $2000.
    This adds up to $5,500. All of this money was obtained under false pretenses by IAS representatives.

    My lifetime membership number is 1216703500046073, issued 27 Jan. 92 – Tookmeawhile.

    We never did receive Roxann’s lifetime membership card even after numerous attempts to obtain it. Here is the membership number off of one of her annual cards 1112202500012296, expired 27 Jun 95 – Roxann Richards. I do have the credit card statement showing the $2000 “donation” transaction was made to the IAS and posted on 26 Feb 98 for her membership. I can supply a copy of the bank statement if required. Yes, I have safely kept most records of every type since 1983.

    Please note that any and all statements, inferences, claims and opinions in this letter are just that; my opinions. I do, however, have a lot of documented evidence supporting such opinions. I have several copies, including originals, with trusted terminals around the United States.

    Roxann had signed many waivers in 2003 with OSA, RTC and other legal representatives of the Church of Scientology. I will sign a waiver stating I will discharge the IAS from any and all claims, etc. when the full refund is issued for $5500 to myself, Tookmeawhile, by the IAS. I would expect to hear back from you, with a waiver and refund, no later than 25 September 2008.

    Any questions, please contact me immediately.

    Thank you,

    Email address

    Copies to:

    International Association of Scientologists
    Saint Hill Manor
    East Grinstead, West Sussex
    England RH19 4JY

    Amnesty International USA
    5 Penn Plaza
    New York, NY 10001

    Committee on Ways and Means, US House of Representatives,
    1102 Longworth House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515

    XXXXXX, Attorney at Law
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  3. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    Response from the IAS

    c/o Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, West Sussex, United Kingdom RH 19 4JY

    Tookmeawhile 13 October 2008

    Dear Tookmeawhile,

    We are in receipt of your recent letter.

    In accordance with the rules of the IAS, membership fees are generally not refundable. Upon review of the circumstances surrounding your request for a return of your membership fees, however, the IAS has decided to return to you the fees paid and your and your wife’s memberships in the IAS have been cancelled.

    The allegations you raise in your letter are false and misguided. We regret that you have changed your views and no longer wish to support the IAS, but please be advised that all contributions and membership fees received by the IAS have always been used to forward its religious and charitable purposes.

    Upon review of our records we have determined that the amount payable to you is $5,350. The annual membership paid for your wife in 1994 was in the amount of $150 rather than the $300 you claim.

    In exchange for a duly signed Release & Waiver, enclosed, the IAS will return to you, by cashier’s check the amount of $5,350 being equal to the membership fees paid to the IAS.


    Mislav Raos
    Treasury Executive
    IAS Administrations
    On behalf of the IAS

  4. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    Release and Waiver from the IAS


    I, Tookmeawhile, of City, TX, USA herewith declare the following:

    That I have made payments to the International Association of Scientologists in the amount of $5,350 as membership fees. With the receipt of a return of that amount, I waive all claims and rights against the International Association of Scientologists (“IAS”). All my claims against the IAS are settled for any legal reason with the receipt of the above sum.

    That with the return of the sum of $5,350, I, my heirs, my successors, representatives, agents, employees, attorneys and assigns release and forever discharge the International Association of Scientologists, IAS Administrations, and their respective successors, agents, officers, directors, divisions, shareholders, trustees, fundraisers and employees from any and all claims, damages, causes of action of any kind which I now have or may hereafter have, from the beginning of time, to and including the effective date of this release.

    That I understand that that the term “any and all claims” as used above, means and includes, but is not limited to, any claims of any kind, whether known or unknown, anticipated, past or present, interpreted liberally and as sufficiently comprehensive so that this agreement precludes any and all disputes, litigation or controversy brought by the undersigned.

    That I am signing this Release and Waiver on my own free will and decision.

    That I have read this Release and Waiver and understand completely each of its conditions and stipulations.


  5. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    I finally read your letter. LOL!!!

    I think it's time for husband to get his $40K back. Maybe I'll even go for my lifetime and my daughter's. I had to pay my daughter's lifetime so she could get FSM commissions. That really sucks.
  6. Wisened One

    Wisened One Crusader

    Do it, ImOut, DO IT! :happydance:

  7. anonymous1312

    anonymous1312 Patron with Honors

    Very comprehensive, "up to the date of the release".

    So all the waffle before hand only applies "[up] to and including the effective date of this release". After that it's surely open season?
  8. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't have any records from when I paid for my lifetime membership. But, I guess I could try.

    One of my only concerns is the possibility of having to claim the money as income. Since we had to claim our repayments from the various orgs as income. As we believe the CofS put the IRS on our butts and queried us about prior years donations to the CofS. So, we didn't want any red flags when we filed our 2007 Tax Return and were good and claimed over $26K repayments as income. Really jacked up out tax liability.
  9. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well done!!

    Less money for the cult.:thumbsup:
  10. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    I don't think you so much need the records, as they will have them. You just have to know how much you gave them so you can get every dime back. From what I remember, Lifetimes are not tax deductible. But I don't know about the levels above that.

    Also, even though CofS reports repayments, that doesn't necessarily mean you are liable for them as income. There is a time limit on them and also, unless you itemized your donations - instead of just taking the standard deduction in any given year, you might not have to count the repayments as income.
  11. Challenge

    Challenge Silver Meritorious Patron

    Good on you, Tookmeawhile. Maybe that money will be of some help to Roxy. And you can tell Mae and Roy ( is that his name?) Koons that had they sued the gdamned cos immediately after we got Roxanne out of the safe house in Malibu Colony, that these later events would not have happened. Roxy wouldn't have thought that she could go back into the cos. AND, the unknown number of people that have been f...ed up on the Iso R/D since then, would not have been handled so. That includes Lisa Mac Pherson. Well, don't mind me. I'm just full of bitterness that Roxanne's parents didn't do what appeared to me to be the 'right thing' for Roxy. Hindsight isn't going to lighten their burden now, so I suppose the best thing to do is shut up about it. What do you think?
    Again, congratulations on getting the money back.

  12. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    I would not join the conspiracy of silence about this. ARCX's should be dealt with, not left to drag one down to Sad Effect.

    Flourish. Prosper.
    Go picket with your friendly local anons.
    Turn that rage into action.

    just my .02
  13. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    Thanks, Chlng. I'll send you a PM later. But I certainly agree with you - they should have sued the cos back in '86. Possibly could have even prevented the arrogant f*cks from killing Lisa MacPherson and ruining countless lives of others including Roxann. Not to mention leaving my girls without a real mom. I talked to Bob (her Dad) about suing them back then and he said he really wanted to do so but Roxann insisted he didn't. (She still had warped ideas of LRH's eternal salvation.) Too bad he listened to her.
  14. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks, TMAW. I totally forgot that unless you write your IAS check to some other name, it's not deductible. It's been that long since I paid my lifetime. I could probably figure out how much I paid over the years. I know I went without any membership for years, since I wasn't on any services. LOL!!!

    Trust me, if my itemized deductions were more than the IRS set amount, I was itemizing my deductions. And hell, with the amount of money I was giving to the CofS each year, I was itemizing. Most years I carried my donations into the next year, since I was donating more than I was making.
  15. Challenge

    Challenge Silver Meritorious Patron

    No prob about "sad effect". I am Cl8 and toadly able to handle my own ARCx. As to the other advice, I am flourishing and prospering. So is Tookmeawhile.
    I picketed with the local Anons once, and altho the Anons were very friendly, I am exceedingly recognizable by cos'ers. I am too old to protect myself from the scn public fanatics. If I were to run more than 1/2 block, I would probably have a heart attack. I have picketed in the past, but now feel that I would be a liability on a picket, if any defensive measures were required.
    However, there are many things to do other than picket. I am a Master at enturbulating cos. I've had 25 years of suppressive experience. Hah!
    The whole thing with Roxy is over for me now that the 1986 episode has been exposed to a one who was able to use it. Hopefully for her benefit, or the benefit of her children.
    Good going, Scientology. You drove a beautiful young woman to madness and deprived a husband and 2 children of her nurture. Thank you, Ron.
    Don't blame Ron? He wrote the Introspection material. He tested it out on the Flagship in 1970 on 40 people. How many more have to be driven over the edge by off-beat practices before this insanity about Isolating disturbed people comes to an end?
    Rant over and I am back to lurk mode.

  16. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

  17. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    Info from Greg and Deb Barnes...

    Here is a link to their IAS refund. It's long but informative...

    Greg and Debra Barnes Get Their Money Back From Organized Crime

    18 Aug 2000

    As many of you may already know, Greg and Debra Barnes were recently declared Suppressive by the Church of Scientology. RTC apparently views it as a high crime for someone on OT 7 to object to being security checked every six months, even though these "six-month checks" (as they are fondly referred to by the 7s) violate an LRH technical bulletin. Could it be that the $20,000 or more that each OT is required to pay every six months for their sec check is more important to RTC than technical purity?

    After they were declared, the Barnes wrote a letter to the IAS, which is the International Association of Scientologists, asking for their money back. They had both paid for lifetime memberships, a total of more than $40,000.

    For those of you who are not familiar with the history of the IAS, let me fill you in. Back in the late 1970s, Mary Sue Hubbard, Henning Heldt, Duke Snider, and several other high-level Guardian's Office execs were indicted for stealing government documents and a list of other dirty tricks. To raise money for their defense, the Guardian's Office created a new organization called the Safe Environment Fund, or SEF. Everyone was told that the purpose of SEF was to create a War Chest to fight Scientology's enemies.

    There were big SEF briefings and all the public Scientologists had to donate tremendous amounts of money to defend the GO execs. At that time the people in charge of the global conspiracy to destroy Scientology were not Bob Minton, the German government and the LMT. Back then the U.S. government -- particularly the FBI -- was in charge of it. (That was before the IRS rolled over and gave Scientology its tax exemption and the U.S. government became Scientology's most ardent defender.)

    The money collected by SEF was used to cover the costs of all the dirty tricks Scientology carried out to try (unsuccessfully) to derail the criminal case against Mary Sue et al. A private investigator named Dick Bast, for example, was hired to set up the judge in the case, Judge Ritchey, with a prostitute to destroy his career. The set-up worked beautifully, and Judge Ritchey had to remove himself from the case. An article ran in one of Scientology's internal publications proclaiming what a big win this was for Scientology's expansion on the planet.

    When DM took over Scientology in 1982 he changed the name of the Guardian's Office to the Office of Special Affairs, and he changed the name of the Safe Environment Fund to the International Association of Scientologists. Today, it is the IAS, not SEF, that collects millions of dollars in donations from Scientologists all over the world. The money is still used for the same purpose -- to protect Scientology from its enemies. Only now its enemies are Bob Minton, Ursula Caberta, the LMT, etc. It is IAS monies that are being used to harass and try to destroy these "enemies."

    So Scientology does not want a spotlight on IAS, because IAS is the Achilles heel of their precious U.S. tax exemption. This is undoubtedly why the Barnes' request to IAS for a refund received such prompt attention.

    First Greg and Debra wrote a simple refund request without any elaboration. This is the letter they received in response:

    26 May 2000
    Dear Mr. & Mrs.Barnes:

    We are in receipt of your request of a return of your donations to the IAS. The rules of the IAS clearly state that contributions are not refundable. This rule is set forth on the IAS membership and donation forms. You acknowledged your understanding of this policy when you signed these forms.

    Please advise if you have further information regarding this matter you would like me to consider.


    Lise Cohee
    Legal Affairs Director
    IAS Administrations
    on behalf of the IAS

    Well, it seems that Greg and Debra did, indeed, have some further information they wanted Lise to consider, so they wrote her back the following letter:

    June 5,2000
    Dear Lise,

    We certainly do have further information for you to consider; it is where to start, is the problem.

    First of all the IAS is an enforced membership that if anyone is to do services as long as we did and went as "OT" as we did you have to become members. The additional donations are harassed out of you with alarming tales of the tech being "attacked" or needed "publications" to alert the populace of the dangers of what ever the flavor of the month dangerous environment you guys dream up is.

    We gave to your organization based upon the false reports by your representatives of the German Scientologists being persecuted by ex-Nazi Psychiatrists, when in actuality according to all the German Scientologists I spoke with at the Sand Castle, it was the financial irregularities and out 2-D activities of org executives in Germany as well as poor results, that created the attacks, which your representatives failed to mention conveniently.

    We gave to your organization without knowing that RTC was rewriting LRH technical bulletins and his basic books which lower ones ability to obtain power and the results LRH speaks of. I gave to your organization without knowing of the criminal actions being perpetrated on Scientologists and ex not to mention the general public in which millions were spent, and are still being spent, defending your criminal actions in which you lose the cases. (specifically Mr. Hill in Canada and Bonnie Woods in England to name a few)

    We gave to your organization without knowing of Fair Game still being practiced by the GO...oops we meant OSA. We gave to your organization without knowing that Mike Rinder's opinion of spiritual sustenance was holding my friend [Lisa McPherson] down and forcing a concoction of illegally obtained drugs down her throat. Evidently you guys found some other lost tech that we did not know about.

    We gave to your organization and attended the Patron Balls because we believed in your stated goals of "support and protect the Scientology religion and Scientologists in all Parts of the world so as to achieve the Aims of Scientology as originated by L. Ron Hubbard".

    Never in our wildest dreams did we ever think that we would be on the receiving end of your "Fair Game" and "Black PR" tactics. Never did we think or even vaguely consider that you would hold me against my will at the Sandcastle whilst one of your "Golden Age of Tech" auditor of the year award winning auditors would perform squirrel processes in an attempt to create a psychotic break and when that failed your organization turned on its "Fair Game" machine. Did I fail to mention the C/S was the deputy Senior C/S FSO. We did not see the "support and protect Scientologists" hat being worn here.

    The fact that orgs in Germany, France, Russia and Spain are on life support and the fact that the "Church of Scientology" is on the way out in Europe is evidence of your hat not being worn regarding protecting Scientology. Some how I do not think that LRH envisioned your actions or inaction as the "Aims of Scientology" he was talking about... I could be wrong there though. Oh, did I forget about you being kicked out of Greece and your charitable status being laughed out of England, in other words denied.

    Regarding the Scientologists in France, Germany and Italy who went to jail for fraud and other interesting crimes did you protect them by bribing the prison guards to give them extra rations of cigarettes or was the CSW for a grant to help them denied because the funds were needed for attorneys else where.

    Need we go one with the total disdain and contempt that we have for the despicable con job you are perpetrating on the Scientology public? I think maybe you got our point but if not please do not hesitate to write back and I will give you more.

    I would think that an organization of such an "ethical purity" with such a crusade for "Total Freedom" would be insulted to want to keep the money of such people who think of you as we do. I would think that you would be glad to be free of the funds we gave you and wash your pure hands of our despicable association.

    Well we think that we have given you enough to consider and we do hope that you will be sickened by the thought of holding onto dirty money such as ours.

    Oh we will give you back the Patron Pin and Plaques upon receipt of our funds but the photos that were taken of us at the "Balls" we will keep.


    Greg and Debra Barnes

    P.S. I do not think that Loretta Miscavige had to write to you when you gave back her $40,OOO... oops I guess no one was suppose to know that... well that is the story we were told.

    This communication did seem to have an effect. This is the letter Greg and Debra received in response:

    3 July 2000
    Dear Mr. & Mrs. Barnes:

    We are in receipt of your letter of June 13th, 2000. We find your allegations to be totally unfounded, nonetheless, and while under no legal obligation to make any refund of your donations, the IAS has decided, upon review of your letter and your clear indication that you no longer desire to be a member of the IAS, to return to you the donations you made.

    Please find enclosed a Release and Waiver for your signatures. The Association will, upon receipt of the executed Release and Waiver, forward to you a cashier's check in the amount of $40,660 being equal to all the donations you made to the IAS, and will cancel your memberships in the Association.


    Lise Cohee
    Legal Affairs Director
    IAS Administrations
    on behalf of the IAS

    Here is the release and waiver Greg and Debra were required to sign:


    We, GREG and DEBRA BARNES herewith declare the following:

    That we have made non-refundable donations to the International Association of Scientologists ("IAS") in the amount of US$ 40,660. With the receipt of a return of that amount, being all funds ever donated by us to the IAS on our behalf and on behalf of our children, we waive all claims and rights against the IAS. All our claims against the IAS are settled for any legal reason with the receipt of the above sum.

    That we, our heirs, our successors, representatives, agents, employees, attorneys and assigns release and forever discharge the International Association of Scientologists, IAS Administrations, and their respective successors, agents, officers, directors, divisions, shareholders, trustees, fundraisers and employees from any and all claims, damages, causes of action of any kind which we now have or may hereafter have, from the beginning of time, to and including the effective date of this release.

    That we understand that the term "any and all claims" as used above, means and includes, but is not limited to, all claims of any kind, whether known or unknown, anticipated or unanticipated, past or present, contingent or fixed. We agree that the term "any and all claims" shall be interpreted liberally and as sufficiently comprehensive so that this agreement precludes any and all disputes, litigation or controversy brought by the undersigned.

    That we have resigned our memberships and those of our children in the IAS. That we are signing this Release and Waiver on our own free will and decision. That we have read this Release and Waiver and understand completely each of its conditions and stipulations.

    The Barnes sent their release and waiver in, and in return they received the following letter, with a check for $40,660 enclosed:

    26 July 2000
    Dear Mr. & Mrs. Barnes,

    Find enclosed a check in the amount of $40,660 being the return of all the donations you made to the International Association of Scientologists in your name and on behalf of your family.


    Lise Cohee
    Legal Affairs Director

    I guess this successful correspondence shows that the old Scientology maxim, "When in doubt, communicate," is still effective, at least in certain parts of the organization.

    Stacy Brooks
  18. HappyGirl

    HappyGirl Gold Meritorious Patron

    Has anybody asked the IAS for a statement? And did they send you one? I don't know how much I paid for my & husband's lifetime memberships. It was a very long time ago. I think I may even be a "sponsor" (is that an IAS level?), because I remember having some kind of "sponsor" pin that I threw away. I don't even know my status! Do they have a local phone number, or we can only write to them?
  19. tookmeawhile

    tookmeawhile Patron with Honors

    Thread bump

    I'm bumping my own thread here. You know, almost everyone who reads this thread has no excuse NOT to ask for their IAS money back. Any membership, patron level, etc. Well, the only exceptions are those that don't want the church to know they are out for many different reasons. Are you worried about being fair gamed or getting black scientology on your thetan??? Don't let the shadows stop you; turn on the light and get your money. C'mon!!

    But if you ever gave the IAS any money and don't have any friends or family still in, why oh why won't you at least try to get your IAS money back? We're talking lots of money - wouldn't you rather have it in YOUR hands instead of the IAS? :thumbsup:


    Sadly, sometimes we can lead an ex-scio to money but we can't make them take it. :bigcry:
  20. Outethicsofficer

    Outethicsofficer Silver Meritorious Patron

    Good Bump

    Yes your point is well made, our submission to get it back is nearly ready to send in.