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Hubbard’s PR assistant, and lover, Ex-Scientologist story #215.

Discussion in 'L Ron Hubbard' started by AnonKat, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader


    “Barbara Kaye” (a pseudonym for Barbara Klowden Snader) was a pretty blonde 20-year-old in 1950 when she became L. Ron Hubbard’s PR assistant and, before long, his lover. For the next year she was in a unique position to see the changes in Hubbard during his meteoric rise and fall from 1950-51. In 1986, she was interviewed by the British writer and journalist Russell Miller for his biography of Hubbard, “Bare-Faced Messiah.”

    I was trying to get into PR and was sent by a employment agency to Dianetics and [Ron] was looking for a PR assistant – someone primarily to answer the scurrilous attacks the press was making on Dianetics. I was hired. He was in the big old governor’s mansion at Adams and Hoover – it used to be the governor of California’s mansion.

    This was during the peak of his success with Dianetics in 1950. This all took place in 1950-51. I started doing a lot of administrative things, arranging things. We had lots of conversations, he’d ask me for advice about this and that. Sometimes I worked late and he took me home – I was living with my parents at the time – and one thing led to another. I was also hiring people, I hired a secretary for him.

    He interviewed me for the job. I had read about him, had read about Dianetics. At that time I had been through university with a major in psychology – he bounced ideas off me because he had no background whatsoever in psychology. He told me that before he wrote Dianetics, because he had no background in psychology, he went to the University of Chicago library and asked for the latest book on psychology and read this book – that was the only thing he had ever read on the subject. . . Most of my time was spent answering [press attacks] – he had a clippings service and every time Dianetics was mentioned I would write to the reporter and reply and defend it. I was writing to columnists and magazines all the time. No one had anything good to say about it. . .

    I was very young at the time and was not as concerned with other peoples wives. I just didn’t think about it. On a New Years Eve he spent with me he was supposed to have been at a party with his wife and he didn’t go home and he said she made a suicide attempt. Then there was the kidnapping of Alexis [Hubbard] and so on.

    After he took Alexis …I knew Miles [Hollister] very well, it was really surprising to me when he later took up with Sara.

    I lost track of Ron when everything went into a shambles and there was this bad publicity in newspaper about Alexis when he took off. He had gone home and found Miles in bed with his wife and that’s when he took Alexis; he thought he was perfectly justified to do this. He said they were going to try and put him into a mental institution, he was afraid they were going to commit him. . .

    When he took off I only knew what I read in the newspaper. The next time I heard from him was Wichita when he was living with this oil baron [Don Purcell]. He started writing me and wanted me to come there. I went there and he was like Howard Hughes’ last days, really in a bad depression. His fingernails were long and curved, his hair was stringy. He met at the hotel and was in such bad shape, he was trembling, like someone who should be in a mental institution. I knew then… he wanted me to marry him, he’d bought me a ring but I knew then he was such a deeply disturbed man it could never be and I left the very next day.

    Scattered in the interviews are some real gems of history. This is not the history that his followers give credence to, but nonetheless, she was there.

    He said he always wanted to found a religion like Moses or Jesus.

    I think he probably made up a lot of the case histories in the first Dianetics book. He was not academic and never did any research.

    He was a character, it was like watching a fascinating character on stage playing a role. I was never bored when I was with him. He was a colourful personality and acted out all the unusual things that were in his mind, that’s what made him so fascinating. People who are manic have this enormous energy – it fueled talking and thoughts. He was charismatic, communicated an energy.

    The two interviews with her, and the notes that she made at the time in her journal can be found here:
  2. Deeana

    Deeana Patron with Honors

    Barbara Kaye claims to have "been to University" and studied with a major in psychology. She states:

    "The first time I made a clinical diagnosis of Ron was when I was with him in there. He had a house on Mel Avenue. He asked me to come there and he was in a deep depression. There was no doubt in my mind he was a manic depressive with paranoid tendencies. Many manics are delightful, apparently productive, they do all kinds of marvelous things and have tremendous self confidence and talk and talk and talk, really hyper. He was like that in his manic stage - he was enormously productive and creative, he had big feelings of omnipotence, he talked all the time of grandiose schemes. It was extremely interesting in his case because he made his fantasies come true."

    And this:

    "My feeling was that he got a medical discharge from the Navy and I think it was because they knew he was crazy. I think they tried to give him electric shock in the hospital because he had very strong feelings against that treatment and I felt it had a personal reference. He must have been recognised at one time as a disturbed individual."

    And this:

    "He talked about what he was going to do to psychiatrists. How he brought psychotic into present time in psychiatrists office and how that psychiatrist said to him "If you think you've cured this woman you're crazy. If you claim to cure people by doing that, if you're not careful, we'll lock you up." He laughed and laughed. Then, tearing indignantly at chicken leg, he said "They all came to me and said I was a psychotic. Hah. They called me a paranoid. Can you imagine?"

    My blood ran cold as he was saying that and It was all I could do to keep from weeping. Wouldn't it tear your heart out coming from the one you love when you knew all the time was a psychotic and a paranoid?"

    My own diagnosis: Bi-polar w/psychotic features; Poly-substance abuse
  3. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yup. With a whole lotta NPD overlaid on top.
  4. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller


    Barbara Kaye features in this documentary - starting from 15:00 minute mark. She was employed by L Ron Hubbard shortly after the EPIC FAIL of Sonia Bianca and word was getting around that he was a con man . . .

  5. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    bumping with caek

  6. Dean Blair

    Dean Blair Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thank you for posting this information. I had watched this video before some time ago but after watching it again and reading Barbara's transcript I feel I learned more with a better understanding of how insane Hubbard was. As Hubbard used to say "Number of times over material equals certainty". Well...I am certain that Hubbard was completely stark staring mad and David Miscavige is in the exact same condition.
  7. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

  8. Freeminds

    Freeminds Bitter defrocked apostate

    And the sad fact is, the world would be a much better place if they had committed LRH, back then. I think LRH himself might have been helped, too.

    It's easy enough to imagine a world without Scientology, given how the cult's falling all to pieces nowadays, but imagine a world in which the whole Dianetics scam had been dismantled as soon as it began... oh, if only!
  9. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Lot's of people wouldn't have been born others would have

    You can't change the past, You CAN influence the present and you don't know the future.

    The thing is, more charlatans needed to be commited back than and maybe now
  10. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

  11. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Thanks, Infinite, for posting that video. I'd never seen that before.