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Justice Committee, Constitution & Membership of IS Not-For-Profit Membership Org

Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by CommunicatorIC, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    The return of Disconnection?

    The return of Disconnection?

    Milestone Two - Function monitors Structure

    How can they do a "PTS A-J check" as a requirement to become a Full (voting) Member, but say they have "no interest in the personal lives or activities of individual members?" What if HCO determines the applicant for Full Membership is PTS to someone in their personal life (e.g., spouse, child, parent, friend)?

    How can they say they will "detect and deal with PTSes and SPs that create trouble within the organization," but they have "no interest in the personal lives or activities of individual members?" Again, what happens if they determine that an Associate or Full Member is PTS to
    someone in their personal life (e.g., spouse, child, parent, friend)?

    What does it mean to "refuse[] to cooperate or deal with a PTS situation that is impacting on Milestone Two activities?" If one cannot "handle," would one be required to disconnect? If one cannot "handle," would a refusal to disconnect constitute a refusal to cooperate, resulting in the revocation of one's membership and the revocation of one's right to use the Independent Scientology logo?

    Then we of course have the:
  2. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Milestone Two - Function monitors Structure

    Does "ethics policy and original justice codes" include Fair Game?

    Does "ethics policy and original justice codes" include Disconnection? How else, as addressed in the prior post, would (or could) the "Membership Community" handle a PTS situation where the person who was PTS refused, or was unable, to handle?

    Does "ethics policy and original justice codes" include the Kha Khan principle of ethics immunity?

    Does "ethics policy and original justice codes" include doing the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number of Dynamics, as measured by statistics, such that the ends justifies the means?

    Is it truly the case that "technically incorrect findings and instances of flagrant injustice or out-ethics actions" which are NOT "destructive to statistics" should not be subject to review by the Justice Committee, or if subject to review not subject to sanction or correction?
  3. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Hint #1: Don't even try to think with this Scientology organizational nonsense and make sense of it.

    THAT was the first mistake you made when getting involved with Scientology.

    These bozos are going to simply create another weird bureaucracy based on Hubbard's ramblings. It sounds like the CHURCH of Scientology version 2.0. :puke2:

    Hint #2: The organization of Scientology has ALWAYS been a dog's breakfast, because it is based on Hubbard's exact writings, policies and recommendations on administration, specifically regarding "how to expand Scientology all across planet Earth". Give it up. Lose all of that idiocy. The same is true for the ethics & justice policies. These are designed primarily to help the Church organization succeed (i.e. make money, get bigger and more powerful). Any slightly intelligent person can read the justice policies and lists of suppressive acts (from any version of any ethics book) and clearly see that it is all put together to benefit the C of S as the TOP priority.

    If these morons keep all of the same inane key purposes and all of the same outline of the OEC volumes, justice codes, and management series, and maybe even of the Sea Org too, they will end up as the same sort of absurd sick joke that is the current Church of Scientology. Maybe they will use and apply their own OSA N/W Orders too! :duh:

    Hubbard's model of an organization, with the TOP Priority to "make Scientology succeed", is the basic error and flaw. DUMP IT ALL, and then possibly they might be able to do something useful. But, it sounds like they actually believe that there really is a "Bridge to Total Freedom", and that there really are reachable states of OT.

    Just goes to show you where the Bridge to Total Goofiness actually leads - it produces more goofballs. :ohmy:

    Followers always need someone to follow. So, they keep following Hubbard.

    Of course, the more trouble they make for the Church of Scientology, all the better! :thumbsup:
  4. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Why would one ever think that?

    Milestone Two's "Eleven"
  5. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    Funny, funny people ... they are still taking it all sooooo seriously.

    Ah well, I suppose pretending to be 'special' is a bit more fun than facing reality.

  6. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Maybe their two-tier system will run on a basis of:

    Tier 1: Anything goes, let them all run riot, no real attempt to keep anything standard; maybe kicking out people who dare document the truth about Hubbard.

    Tier 2: Turn the screws on and stamp out anything that isn't totally "standard" (as pronounced upon by the head honchos).

    That might take care of the immediate contradictions of "open to all" but "strict KSW."

  7. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    yeah its called the "public Scientologist v Sea org Member" paradigm.

    Create one group and then create a more exclusive group - and never fear there will be more 'exclusive groups" as time passes.
  8. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

  9. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Apparently some people just haven't had enough of the craziness yet. :duh::duh:
  10. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Isn't that called being a glutton for punishment?

    Or a masochist?

    Wow! I just cognited why some folks stay involved with Scientology for so long. :happydance:
  11. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Interesting. Were the Original OT Levels on the last Grade Chart authored or approved by Hubbard?

    If the Original OT Levels weren't on the last Grade Chart authored or approved by Hubbard, then weren't they replaced by the new NOTs levels?

    If the Original OT Levels weren't on the last Grade Chart authored or approved by Hubbard, how and why could they be properly and standardly CSed for a PC or Pre-OT? Who could properly CS an Original OT Level for a PC or Pre-OT?

    So there is a Grade Chart, but a CS just inserts major auditing actions into the middle of it? Major auditing actions that seemingly were replaced by newer auditing actions? Does not "New OT V" imply it replaced Old OT V?

    Did anyone in the history of the "official" Church of Scientology ever audit, or be CSed to audit, on an Original OT Level after the New OT Levels were implemented and placed on the Grade Chart? If not, I wonder why that might have been....
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  12. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    In the 1978 grade chart NOTs was a special rundown to do if needed,for example
    having difficulty running the original OT levels.

    From 1978 book " What is Scientology", grade chart.

    OT 111 expanded. Pre-requisites. OT111 and OT VII processes.

    That refers to original OT 7 rather than NOTs. Expanded OT 3 is no longer on the bridge.


    OT IV JAN 1968 Mocking-up and unmocking implants
    from Clearing Course in order to
    prevent future implants plus several
    other steps including handling of past
    auditing. Product was originally
    an OT Exterior.
    Replaced by New OT IV.

    OT V JAN 1968 Series of drills directed at Pre-OT's
    handling of and relationship to MEST.
    Drills were to be done exterior.
    Replaced by New OT V.

    OT VI JAN 1968 Additional solo-auditing for
    whole track implant materials covered
    on earlier levels and/or drills and
    processes dealing with emotions,
    sensations, and exteriorization.
    Replaced by New OT VI.

    OT VII SEP 1970 Series of processes, drills, and
    training steps directed at intention.
    Replaced by New OT VII.

    All the above can be found in Tech vol IV [ not by CO$] which has all upper levels and original upper levels with processes.

    Here is a history of the grade chart. Difficult to follow even for me.

    From below one can see NOTs was not initially a replacement for original OT levels.
    These are still available and being used in the FZ.

    Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead , Sussex


    Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet
    ACS Auditors
    ACS C/Ses

    NED for OTs Series 1

    C O N F I D E N T I A L



    As has been announced, there is a special handling for OTs who have been run on Dianetics since Clear. It is called "NED for OTs". ..........

  13. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    And "Dianetic Clear" was not a substitute for the Clearing Course, but Hubbard changed his mind when he became obsessed with increasing the number of people who identified themselves as "Clear," and became concerned with the "reputation" of Dianetics which, he felt, needed to produce "Clears," or at least people who were convinced they were "Clear." Discovering" that Dianetics made "Clears," and that these "Clears" needed to exit Missions - which Hubbard was in the early process of looting - and go "up lines" to a place where Hubbard had easy access to their money, was a neat tie in.

    Thus, starting in 1978, people were being announced as "Dianetic Clears" - and then told that they're now "at risk," as they're in the dangerous "No Interference Zone" - and encouraged to go "up lines" right away, check book or credit cards in hand.

    The changes to the Grade Chart, from Power Processing through (old) OT 7, occurred between 1978 and 1981. You and your Zoner buddies can do what you want with it, but it's ridiculous to suggest that it was not Hubbard's idea.

    By the way, can we expect that so called "Dianetic Clears" are now going to be run on old OT 4 where they "mock up and unmock implants from the Clearing Course" ?

    To what level of the 'Hubbard Chart of Awareness Characteristics & Grade Chart' do you Zoner guys need to ascend in order to realize that the Hubbard Grade Chart is a disjointed mess that doesn't deliver what it promises?

    Re. your links: The information in the upper link is more accurate.

    The lower link, on the other hand, is to "Wise old goat," who posted on ESMB for a time, until banned, and is also known as Roadrunner. His web site consists of lots and lots of information mixed with disinformation.

    It's really a shame that Hubbard changed the Grade Chart the way he did, messing with both the middle and upper "Bridge." By the mid 1970s, Scientology was a functioning front group&mental healing-coated psychological-political operation&Hubbard fan club-cult. Scientologists were so nicely entranced. It was almost beautiful in a horribly perverted, evil, kind of way.

    Here's Rey Robles, Free Zone "Opinion Leader," giving a talk to "All Loyal Officers":

    Forward march!!!

    Onward to Total Freedom!!!!!
  14. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    The concept of "standard tech" is inane. It is entirely IMAGINARY. Anyone who thinks with that concept is mentally-handicapped in some way.

    Hubbard was changing the Bridge and what made up the Bridge at EVERY POINT during his life with Scientology and Dianetics.

    There was NEVER a fully-researched, complete and finalized version of the Bridge. THAT notion was ALL PR and LIES.

    At every point in the history of Scientology he pushed the IDEA, and demanded full acceptance with the idea, that "the Bridge is here now". From KSW #1, we HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. Hubbard always, at any point along the time track of the development of Scientology, painted the Bridge as done. But, in fact, at every point he was adding to it, taking away from it, and altering it in some way. THAT is the "truth".

    So, this notion of "standard tech" is ONLY an IDEA. It doesn't exist, and it never existed. It is like people who choose to believe that the Easter Bunny or Unicorns actually really exist. They do, but ONLY in your mind; only in your over-active imagination.
  15. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Perhaps you think of these people as "funny"-- but I say (verily, unto you) you must not be so quick to dismiss them as loser punchlines to a bad cult joke.

    These are profoundly important people, deserving of far greater respect! Why? Because, it's not easy to save the entire planet whilst living in your mom's basement with nothing more than a dog-eared photo of Ron and the little perceptic wheel* from Self Analysis.

    * Former Sea Org members reborn as "Indie Scientologists" carry a perceptic wheel with them at all times. In the event that they get "enturbulated" by wog "reality" that is "not real to them", they simply whip out their handy disc and recall pleasure moments from the good old theta days when insanity-free and criminality-free Ron was around and planetary clearing was happening pocketa-pocketa (on this planet) and so forth.

    Last edited: Jun 19, 2013
  16. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    New IS Not-For-Profit Membership Org denigrating "wogs?"

    New IS Not-For-Profit Membership Org denigrating "wogs?" Already?
  17. Aiki

    Aiki Patron with Honors

    You say function monitors structure. What exactly is the function.


  18. i don't know as standard is totally inane

    in fact i was quite impressed first studying in san francisco and then joining staff at fcdc how close the two orgs were in terms of tech and the willingness and ability of the people to apply it standardly
  19. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

  20. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader