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Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by CommunicatorIC, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    It couldn't have been easy for a big being like Captain Bill to be on a planet full of such a lowly life form such as humans.
  2. Queenmab321

    Queenmab321 Patron Meritorious

    Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    I don't give them a pass. It's just that when the deluded devotees of a crackpot religion go around declaiming their uniquely superior status, their behavior becomes more properly an object of ridicule than of indignation. It's ironic because they have so obviously mistaken their hubris and weakness for virtue.

    As for people below 2.0 on Hubbard's ludicrous Tone Scale, one might consider loving them.

    "Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

    Matthew 25:37-40
  3. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    if you please DB, the quoted statement is as close as i ever come to applying any whitewash

    i do speak in favor of auditing and auditor training and i as well apply paint remover to the more egregious examples of blackwashing

    part of the appeal of scientology is that the usual forms of bigotry are not usually in evidence. i did hear the word "nigger" a couple times from a couple people

    i only rarely heard anything approaching venom in the use of "wog". again it was mostly used to prompt a rising from the mundane

  4. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    yes, i certainly did find ron's usage of the term to be excessive and opprobrious
  5. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    i didn't discover the origin of "wog" until after i was in. it is an acronym of "worthy oriental gentleman" by the way which requires irony to be disparaging

    and the cited quote is a good example of benign usage. here's a person who left CoS who is clearly disappointed with the bland mundane tepid WOGGYASSED WOGGILY FUKKIN' WOGS and their bland insipid lifeless nadaville somnambulism but doesn't have the balls to drop a hundred and fifty mikes of LSD and get themselves a real 12 and a 1/2 hour OT intensive for a decent price

    (if any children are passing through, LSD is DANGEROUS! don't use it)
  6. Aiki

    Aiki Patron with Honors

    That would be fun yes. How do you answer a whole group of 'facts' specifically? To me it sounds more like a rant.

    I disagree with with your reasoning as to why things were changed. I disagree with your view on the grade chart.

    That video was funny though.

  7. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    "There are too many hate sites."
  8. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    Well take a trip to London and in various social situations refer to the "wogs" in the country and see what happens, (take bandages).

    You said, "...part of the appeal of scientology is that the usual forms of bigotry are not usually in evidence....."

    True: not the usual forms. Except for Hubbards usual forms of bigotry about blacks, asians etc, which we all know about. Then there are the unusual forms. SPs, 'wogs' etc. I have already pointed out that 'wogs' was on the boiler and I suggested (perhaps not explicitly enough) that 'wogs' would become a more and more contemptuous term as time progressed. The term SP really marks the referent as someone who is very dangerous. Marking someone as dangerous is a special function of some derogatory terms. In the case of 'SP', those so marked can be pointed to as targets by OSA as they set up their volunteers to fairgame/ruin/destroy them. I guess my main point about 'wogs' is that it did seem benign, but leaving it there and assuming it is benign for everyone in all places and times is not very smart. Actually, I would love to hear how often the term 'wogs' is used casually amongst scientologists having a chat, when they are in Britain, with people of African, Asian, Middle Eastern descent present....compared to a similar group in another place. Even with such people present, in a similar group in the USA, the word 'wog' could probably be used with less bother because of less, or no, negative social history attached.
    However, even there, a white American using the term should not assume that others are as ignorant as they are about it's connotations for other people present.
  9. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    What, Hubbard and Scientology get credit for creating new forms of bigotry? SP? PTS? DB? NCG case? Implanter? "Psychs" as a pejorative for those evil "implanters" who are, and always have been, the source of all evil in the world?

    Oh, and another thing, Scientology is supposed to be a religion (when it is not supposed to be a science, or a dessert topping). You might be shocked, but I don't hear the "N word" or any of the "usual usual forms of bigotry" when I attend my Christian church. So Hubbard and Scientology are supposed to get credit because, in this one respect, they might have satisfied the minimal expectations of a religion or church in the modern world... had they not gone to the extra effort to invent new forms of bigotry?
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2013
  10. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    New IS Not-For-Profit Membership Community REJECTS use of the word "wog"

    Interesting development, and to give credit where credit is due:

    Most recent comment by Steve "Thoughtful" Hall is in red.
  11. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Re: New IS Not-For-Profit Membership Community REJECTS use of the word "wog"

    Perhaps hubbards old PR statements were genuine too? Marginalizing 'well meaning people' was never going to work out for the cult in the long run ... (especially after the internet arrived!).

    Yes, get those emotive words tidied up Steve ... and do it fast.


  12. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    i don't know as they should get any credit for it but they have produced not very new forms of bigotry which are mostly familiar adaptations

    jesus! ya know i don't hear the "N" word at the church i hang out with in bahhstin. i don't see many spades there either. and our churches seem to be our most segregated institution; race, ethnicity, wealth; the country's church get at best a D+ as a group and few do better than a B-.

    the psychs are pretty bad, not as bad as they were but they're still pretty bad. CoS tends toward a demonization of them which can be unsightly. no. they aren't the primary engine of evil in this world.


    they ARE the weak link in the general chain of oppression. pledged to the hippocratic oath they can be nailed on the worst of what they do
  13. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    per SOS they are to be raised on the tone scale

    SOS also proposes an alternative which is quite unlawful
  14. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    "the usual forms of bigotry"

    WTF? Seriously? What. The. Fuck?

    I suspect I now know why you think that:
    You didn't see evidence of the "usual forms of bigotry" in Scientology. Geez, I wonder why?
  15. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Chill out, CIC.

    Commander Birdsong is black.

  16. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    I had no idea. I'm tempted to edit my post, but don't think that would be honest.

    I asked WTF? I guess I got an answer.
  17. well actually i'm just another jiveass honkie muthuhfukkah

    but i was tenth cavalry in the army; BUFFALO SOLDIER!!!

    so i have been known to say "don't nigga me nigga 'cause i'm a nigga myself"

    and get away with it...
  18. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster


    Yes, it's true -- I was jivin' you when I said Birdsong is black. He's not. He's whitey.

    However, it's important also to note that Birdsong is of a beatnik / hippie / Berkeley Free Speech culture in which "spade" isn't an epithet, but descriptive.

    Sometimes I mourn for those Free Speech days. I get very tired of today's political correctness. And no, I don't mean I condone "hate speech." I just mean I like calling a spade a spade. So to speak.



    P.S. And yes, I am black.
  19. Re: "the usual forms of bigotry"

    it was largely caucasian but there were some spades and they were in no way "toms" or "oreos"

    and women especially were in every and any post

    the general ambience in terms of our usual prejudices was refreshingly righteous

    the attitudes toward that which was not scientology was often uncomfortably zealous but not utterly
  20. Re: CommunicatorIC addresses the new IS group on the "wog" issue.

    i like the quote from matthew very much of course

    i certainly do not find the COHE to be ludicrous. SOS does have it's one big often cited clunker and few smaller ones as well but that is one hell of a damn fine treatise on human psychology. a person can derive huge personal case gain from an honest study of that book...