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Milestone 2 is dead?

Here is a link on it at the Voice of Independent Scientology...
these people are not nearly as important as they think they are. as a matter if fact, in real everyday life i find them a hinderance, while we try to live the new american dream of just getting by.
i am crying my eyes out here,(not) although by last calculation lana, if abiding by her own rules has pulled down $800.00. heh.every time i iwsh the best for these mofos they start backstabbing again.
 
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these people are not nearly as important as they think they are. as a matter if fact, in real everyday life i find them a hinderance, while we try to live the new american dream of just getting by.
i am crying my eyes out here,(not) although by last calculation lana, if abiding by her own rules has pulled down $800.00. heh.every time i iwsh the best for these mofos they start backstabbing again.
Same here. I was kidding with the crying smiley. I couldn't care less...
 

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Jim Logan & Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Fundamentalist Indie Facebook Group

Jim Logan & Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Fundamentalist Indie Facebook Group.

My information is that Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Indie Scientologist, which is the more fundamentalist Independent Scientologist group on Facebook.

If Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell are not going to market Milestone Two to the Fundamentalist Independent Scientologists, one wonders to whom they will market Milestone Two?

A review of Facebook profiles and friends lists indicates that Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell have also "Facebook disconnected" from Marty, Mike, Sinar, Steve Hall, Betsy and Mike Reppen, and Karen, among others.
 

Purple Rain

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Don't forget her internationally exporting flower business, all her awards, applying and getting jobs for which she is unqualified....etc. Just reading it makes me need a cup of tea and a bit of a lie down.

There is ALWAYS SOMETHING MORE THAT CAN BE DONE!!!!

:run::shock::run::shock::run::shock::run::shock::run::shock:


http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lana-mitchell-i-did-not-lose-my-eternity-i-found-it/

Lana writes: (with a few icons added by DB)
".....In the first year (while carrying and then delivering my son), I launched my flower business – and in the Spring of 2006 I had my first harvest of commercial cut-wildflowers. I had to apply Data Series to resolve situations and get right whys. I had to use management technologies to develop a market, to establish a strategy and to write and execute programs to get things done. I had to use basic Scientology communication principles to develop industry networks and I was amazed at how easy it was. In fact, while I was impatient with myself, or dissatisfied with progress – everyone around me was stunned at what was achieved in such a short period.

:shock::shock::run::shock::run::shock:
And then the awards started coming in. I won an agricultural scholarship in 2007 – which got me $12,000 for specialist training, for a market development trip to Japan, and more. Then I won the Young Achievers Award in 2008 (when I would not consider myself young). My business expanded and I was exporting Australian wildflowers to Japan, to the USA, to Europe and London – as well as domestic markets in Australia. At the same time I had joined the national industry body for wildflowers and was playing an active role in building the young industry on the larger stage of commercial flowers in Australia. I had a young baby at home, and life was busy – and I was amazed that things just continued to go right.
How could this be? In the Sea Org I had constantly rollercoastered. I would get on a post, do my best, and then I would be busted for some confusing reason, and I would conclude each time that there was some failing of my own that was causing this. Yet here I was, in Australia, no longer connected to the Church and things just seemed to get better and better.
Then I won the a prestigious rural womens award, with a bursary of $10,000. I was featured in Australian Women’s Weekly, was awarded the Australian institute of Company Directors Course, and travelled to Israel, London and Europe to build the market for my flowers there. The press I received in 2010 and 2011 exceeded 3 inches. Every major newspaper, local rag, radio stations, etc. carried the story of my flowers. I can call the local radio station and mention my first name and they immediately ask me how the flowers are going. I became known as the Gundaroo Flower lady.

:run::run::run::run::run::shock:
This must be a fluke I thought. Things surely can’t continue to go so well… I am a declared SP. But they did.
My husband and I decided to build a home, got plans drawn up and approved, borrowed the needed money and built a beautiful home.
My first son, now almost 4 years old, was doing wonderfully – and I decided it was time for a sibling and immediately became pregnant again.
I had applied for a part time job editing an industry magazine and though I had no official qualifications for such, I got the job and edited the industry journal for two years. I then worked with 9 others to create a new rural industry organization and designed and edited a new magazine called Passion to Profit. My new communications role with this group became key and were tremendously successful. Over the next several years the magazine continued – first as a printed publication and then as an online mag. In the last 2 years it has had almost 200,000 views and it has been key in building and promoting new and emerging rural industries in Australia.

:run::run::run::run::run::run::run:

It was in 2009 that I started to find attention going back to Scientology. Mysteries and confusions from the past kept surfacing. I was still having nightmares of being trapped at the Int base or on the PAC RPF and not being able to leave. I was still hung up in areas of the past and questions I had on what had occurred at Int were hanging me up.
So I started looking for other ex-Int base staff members, to see if I could get questions answered, and find out what had occurred since I left. And that was when I stumbled on Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder and a whole slew of other former Int base staff. I found my dear friend Jackson, rehooked up with Dan Koon, Shannon Kimoto, Ulf Ollufson, John Horwich, Claire and Marc Headley and more.
I had to relook at my life and work out for myself – did I make gains from Scientology – did it work? And I realised, in looking at my wins (and particularly at my success since leaving) that the truth was I did have certainty that the tech works. I also came to see the source of suppression in the Church, the perversion and unmock of management and standard tech, and the corruption of The Bridge (aka David Miscavige).
I started to become vocal on the internet, and announced my independence in June of 2010. It was shortly after this that my husband demanded that I recant. He threatened that if I did not do so, then we would divorce me – and he went so far as to call in two former RTC staff to my home for 3 nights in a row to encourage that I cooperate. Confused and unsure I pretended to agree, feeling blackmailed and muzzled – but 3 months later I decided the violation of my integrity was more than I could handle. I got terribly sick and before that got out of control, I asked my husband to leave.
Since that time so many doors have opened and so much has changed, it is difficult to sum it up easily. With the assistance of two dear friends and standard tech terminals, I was gotten through my OT preps and onto my OT levels.

:run::run::run::run::run:

I had been Clear since 1957 – so the relief on this was substantial. I have since completed through OT 3, as an independent Scientologist and I am now co-auditing on NOTs. My wins on these levels have been incredible. Just amazing. My every day existence has changed and my postulates just STICK. It is fantastic.
I found a new 2D – someone who is a dedicated Scientologist and is a caring, intelligent and funny man. Together we have been steadily re-establishing Scientology delivery in Australia – with 4 Clears made and a number of others now back onto the Bridge and winning, just since the beginning of this year. And people just keep on finding us and arriving on our doorstep which provides for fantastic company and conversation.
And an attack by my husband, through the courts, that was based on hostilities and resentment, has ended and I can just get on with the job of raising two cheeky, lively and wonderfully funny boys – now aged 7 and 3.
I started the iScientology blog in January – to present articles on the application of LRH tech, in life – and we are now at a steady 1000+ visitors a day. And it seems that so much is now possible as ever-increasing number of revitalized independent Scientologists link up and join forces. The future is not just certain – it is exciting.
So… in reflecting back on my last 8 years since leaving the Church – I have to say that I did not lose my eternity.
I FOUND it.
I have reaffirmed my love for standard LRH tech, I am moving up the Bridge, my dynamics are aligned, productive and expanding – and the future is bright.
I hope people find their way to this blog and that they read my story and the many others. Life in the big bad ‘wog” world is not that. In fact, there is a huge community of friends here ready to assist in any way they can. You are welcome to contact me at any time by email if you need assistance or support or just would like to have a chat. And I am just one of many......"


So what's a little baby-juggling to a high-achiever?

Lana has basically always been a very competent lady and she used to be awfully nice - and hopefully still is. I do think she means well. I'm sorry to see her still caught up in all the sieg heil crap. It sounds like she is having some realisations about some of that though.

I don't think she'll need luck. She has a green thumb in life - whatever she touches succeeds. I think she will learn from this and surprise people with Milestone 2 or its successor. Ironically she will have to lose some of the most oppressive Hubbard policies to to do so.

Lana, lighten up and just be yourself, girl. Because who you are and what you are is glorious. I know you. One day you will see that Hubbard was merely the Wizard and what you were seeking was within yourself all the time.
 

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Miletsone Two Membership holding steady at 16 members

Miletsone Two Membership holding steady at 16 members.

ingrid smith
Max Bleiweiss
Lana Mitchell
Jim Logan
Kevin Boland
Chris Mann
Sue Henson
Bernie Wimbush
Moti Weizman
Mickey Edwards
Paul Foster
Dan Koon
Bellido AC9
Lisa Hamilton
Dani Lemberger
Mark Shreffler
 

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Re: Miletsone Two Membership holding steady at 16 members

Miletsone Two Membership holding steady at 16 members.

ingrid smith
Max Bleiweiss
Lana Mitchell
Jim Logan
Kevin Boland
Chris Mann
Sue Henson
Bernie Wimbush
Moti Weizman
Mickey Edwards
Paul Foster
Dan Koon
Bellido AC9
Lisa Hamilton
Dani Lemberger
Mark Shreffler

Maybe the reason is that there is nobody to update the website ? :coolwink:
 

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Re: Jim Logan & Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Fundamentalist Indie Facebook Group

Jim Logan & Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Fundamentalist Indie Facebook Group.

My information is that Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell have withdrawn from Indie Scientologist, which is the more fundamentalist Independent Scientologist group on Facebook.

If Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell are not going to market Milestone Two to the Fundamentalist Independent Scientologists, one wonders to whom they will market Milestone Two?

A review of Facebook profiles and friends lists indicates that Jim Logan and Lana Mitchell have also "Facebook disconnected" from Marty, Mike, Sinar, Steve Hall, Betsy and Mike Reppen, and Karen, among others.
i guess they will finally have done away with the sp's leaks and third parties when no one else is left. that is one way to go about it, lol.
mr hog son is cleaning it up "real good".
 

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It's of my opinion that this endeavour will wither away like many Indie endeavours over the years because the authoritarian system that caused these people to leave the Church is written into policy and independence is hard to achieve when others dictate what you do.

All the management stuff is not needed to create a group, but these guy's just seem to want to be on an Org board. Shame they cannot cut their losses and realise that the policy is part of the problem.
 

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Milestone Two Gets A Public Blog!

Milestone Two Gets A Public Blog!

(Another Independent Scientology blog to add to the review rotation.)

Milestone Two Blog
http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/

About

http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/about/
About

This blog is about the standard application of LRH technology — whether that is in the auditing room, at work, at home, where ever.

At this time, the blog has three posts.

The first post, "Guilty as charged," was originally posted on the Milestone Two website and is quoted in full above.

The second post, "Precept #7 — Seek to Live with the Truth," consists of nothing but LRH quotations from The Way to Happiness.

The third and most recent post, "Anti-Emotions Incorporated," is excerpted below:
It is easy to become very serious about things. Particularly if others are doing the same.

Creating a group – whether it is to knit woolen hats for orphan children, engineer a new environmentally-friendly vehicle, launch a magazine on women’s fashion, or something else – is just the uniting of people with a common purpose and cause. To get people together who wish to see something achieved. And to work out how they can move forward cooperatively, to see something good happen or produced.

And unquestionably past involvement with earlier groups will always have some influence or impact on individuals and their relation to new groups. So for Scientology – there is an interesting past track, for all of us.

Here is an LRH quote that was sent to me last night that seems so fitting to current circumstances – and shows that auditing can handle the BPC and issues that people have with groups – past, present and future. I remember in my own auditing how stunned I was to find, after leaving the Church, that the withholds I had within the Sea Org that I dare not voice, hung up my own ability to move forward in present time, with a new group and new moral code. Even though looking at those past withholds now, they would not qualify as a withhold – as I am no longer demanded to hold DM on a pedestal and kiss his feet as he walks by. They were still there, however – and having an impact on me.

There is much to look and learn from this, I think – on all flows, and on many dynamics.

.
 

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Marty again responds to Milestone Two and the larger issues raised by MS2

Marty again responds to Milestone Two and the larger issues raised by MS2.

Although Marty's post covers much more territory than Milestone Two, the post appears not only specifically responsive (as quoted below) to the Milestone Two debacle, but generally responsive concerning the larger issues raised by MS2. Thus, I'm going to link and excerpt it here.

The Great Decompression

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/the-great-decompression/

Excerpt:
Michael Laws, Jason Beghe, Tiziano & Jamie Lugli, Marc Headley and I have over time exchanged observations about a number of folks that we guided and assisted through the Scientology Underground Railroad – or Decompression Road. One pattern we all have observed, and taken terrible losses on, is Scientologists entering the family of humanity with the exclusive, arrogant and judgmental attitudes they developed to survive in Scientology culture. All of us have expended a great deal of resource and effort in helping to clean up messes such attitudes have created, and in getting people who exhibit those attitudes back on their paths after the inevitable smack downs society tends to deliver in response. For those going through that process now, and who are discomforted absent orientation to L. Ron Hubbard references, everything I have noted thus far in this article is in complete accord with Scientology notions of the efficacy of tackling problems,development and life on a gradient scale; and even the ethics conditions formulas (see Non- Existence condition and formula).

One of the first posts on the Milestone 2/iscientology blog – created largely in protest of my books and this forum – was a piece attempting to discredit this idea of decompression as some psych-based attempt to belittle Operating Thetans and put people at introverted effect. It reasoned that former Sea Org members and public OTs who bought into the idea they could use a tad of decompression as part of their gradient entry into the community of fellow human beings were victims of an attempt to put them at groveling effect of the psych-indoctrinated ‘wog’ world. By God, the MS2ers proclaimed, we need to bring society up to our standards, Revenimus! (In keeping perhaps with the Class VIII indoctrination, ‘you are the people who own the planet’ – see Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior). This mentality of wanting to cling to the inside is understandable (see e.g. the films The Shawshank Redemption and One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest – I know you have all seen them, but watch them again with the Scientology experience in mind).
 

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Re: Milestone Two Gets A Public Blog!

Billstone too said:
About

This blog is about the standard application of LRH technology — whether that is in the auditing room, at work, at home, where ever.

Wow, I just had an incredible win, a cognition I want to share:

All these suckers who claim "the standard application of LRH technology" are obviously unable to think for themselves - otherwise they would not need the Hubbard-stuff to organize their messy lifes.
 
It's of my opinion that this endeavour will wither away like many Indie endeavours over the years because the authoritarian system that caused these people to leave the Church is written into policy and independence is hard to achieve when others dictate what you do.

All the management stuff is not needed to create a group, but these guy's just seem to want to be on an Org board. Shame they cannot cut their losses and realise that the policy is part of the problem.

but these guy's just seem to want to be on an Org board.

want to be on an Org board.

such a comfort............
 

CommunicatorIC

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It appears Lana and Milestone Two are getting it from both sides. First Marty, above, and now Steve Hall again.

http://www.iscientology.org/scientology-blog/470-milestone-two-fail#comment-2068
# Thoughtful 2013-06-27 14:04

"Perhaps made a serious mistake"? No, she made a series of terrible, disastrous and utterly fatal blunders. The mob mentality that "sprung up" didn't just "spring up." It was invited in, the door was left unlocked, and the place was stocked with barrels of gasoline and packs of matches. It was a TRAP.

This is not the Alamo where we all are now going to die for the cause. I mean, what cause is this? You think the big thing the Indie field needs is a membership group? That's the big thing we are missing? Well, it's not. It's not even remotely vital. AT ALL. We don't even have people moving up the Bridge yet in volume. Who's going to be a member of this glorious new group that's soooo important?

Here's a sanity clue: you get people moving up the Bridge first BECAUSE THAT MATTERS. Then later, maybe years later, you put together a membership group so everyone can have a card. Or maybe you never put one together. It's just not a vital program. Ask yourself: what kind of impact did becoming a member of the HASI have on you when you joined? I tell you what kind of impact it had on me: zero. I got a 20% discount on books. Beyond that, no impact. What did have impact? Oh, how about the TECH. But you are so turned around upside down you think a membership org is more important than actually helping people with the tech? Who are you? What are you saying? And why?

So now we're all going to sacrifice ourselves and die over a membership org that was released with such poisonous "marketing" that it at once erupted in the worst firestorm of public protest in history?

It's exactly like this: someone decides to build a house. I volunteer to design and build every part of it. But I can't start for several months because I'm already booked up. She decides to do it herself. Then she invites everyone over for open house. Just as everyone walks in the entire roof collapses and the entire place erupts in a volcanic inferno. And then it turns out she gave everyone the false idea that I built it? No, sorry but I did not build that flaming disaster. And you are upset because I didn't stay inside and roast in a river of molten lava?

I don't even know you. But that is contra-survival advice you are giving.

Anyone who wants to support MS2 is free to sign up. No one is stopping them.
 

TG1

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Steve Hall is so full of shit.

His mixed metaphors and over-the-top protestations don’t convince anybody he had no clue what was happening with Milestone Two. Why doesn't he just say like a man, “I fucked up. OK? Everybody fucks up! Get over it!”

And now the disingenuous shit implies he had no idea that MS2 was a membership group. WTF, did he think MS2 was about? Scientology Instagrams?

Stupidest of all was his defense that he didn’t know what Lana / Jim had planned for MS2 because he didn't have time for months to read his emails or even his own blog.

Man, he's embarrassing himself.

(I don't know why this is pissing me off so bad, but it is.)

TG1
 
Steve Hall is so full of shit.

His mixed metaphors and over-the-top protestations don’t convince anybody he had no clue what was happening with Milestone Two. Why doesn't he just say like a man, “I fucked up. OK? Everybody fucks up! Get over it!”

And now the disingenuous shit implies he had no idea that MS2 was a membership group. WTF, did he think MS2 was about? Scientology Instagrams?

Stupidest of all was his defense that he didn’t know what Lana / Jim had planned for MS2 because he didn't have time for months to read his emails or even his own blog.

Man, he's embarrassing himself.

(I don't know why this is pissing me off so bad, but it is.)

TG1

"Steve Hall is so full of shit." Ya think?

My BT's Committee opinion.....
I (we) feel that he was a little harsh with Lana, :biggrin: and perhaps he was over reacting a little. There was no doubt a seed of truth here and there in what he said, but perhaps he has bypassed charge on earlier similars that have nothing to do with Lana and is dramatizing that. Then again Lana might have tried to round up his body thetans for her sideshow and who knows what evil purps are going to come up with that? He needs a remedy and handle fast 'else he's going to alienate the field. Anyone can see the ser facs there!
 

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Milestone Two Blog: Why I remain a Scientologist

Milestone Two Blog: Why I remain a Scientologist
http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/why-i-remain-a-scientologist/

Excerpts:
I know for myself that conflict was created between me and my ex, as I wanted to blow the whistle publicly on corruption and violation of rights within the Church, and he felt strongly that I should remain quiet and let the “church handle it internally”. He strongly disagreed that I declared independence from the Church – and felt I was losing my “eternity” (ie. my access to the OT levels) in doing so. Yet my own integrity was that if I do not take responsibility to do something about the situation, then I am sitting on my hands while the church burns — which to me was a far greater overt. Heck, I had not moved on the Bridge in 17 years, and since I made this decision the door opened up. So there must be something to be learned in that lesson.
I still hold the code of a Scientologist as my stable datum – and what I determine is right or good or survival activity for me and my dynamics. And that means not just taking one point and working on that – but trying to get each of those points in. It is an ongoing effort – and I aint there yet – but steadily making improvement, and life seems to improve to the degree that I do.
 

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Miletsone Two up to 17 members

Now up to 17 members!

ingrid smith
Chris Mann
Lana Mitchell
Bob Simpson
Max Bleiweiss
Jim Logan
Kevin Boland
Paul Foster
Dan Koon
Lisa Hamilton
Sue Henson
Bernie Wimbush
Moti Weizman
Mickey Edwards
Bellido AC9
Dani Lemberger
Mark Shreffler
 
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