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Lyndon LaRouche - LaRouche Youth Movement

Discussion in 'Cults in General' started by Mister Mike, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. Mister Mike

    Mister Mike Patron

    Lydon LaRouche is an interesting character; he began on the far Left, creating a group called the National Caucus of Labor Committees, then he swung to the Right in 1973, forming the US Labor Party, though he would always run for president on the Democratic Party ticket. Right now LaRouchianism is centered on the LaRouche Youth Movement, aka "those annoying kids on the college quad." Their game is youth recruitment and a sort of "counter-education" which exposes them to LaRouche's galaxy of conspiracy theories; he believes the Queen of England is the world's foremost drug pusher and that the grand political battle of the ages has been between Aristotelian and Neo-Platonists, and LaRouche is a Neo-Platonist. He also believes in the Verdi pitch for orchestral music, that global warming is a hoax, and that "rouge elements" of the US military had something to do with September 11 as part of a political coup.

    And what does the new RYM member do once in? Travel around and recruit new members. How many do they have? I once emailed an ex-member asking about numbers: he said 4000-5000 people are on the LaRouche mailing lists but the active members are very small, 500 to 1000 people. The point of LaRouchianism is not creating mass movements, but making small elites that can somehow inject themselves into the political system and turn it LaRouche.
  2. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Nuts everywhere!
  3. Mister Mike

    Mister Mike Patron

    I forgot to say something about how the LaRouche Youth Movement people live; they live badly. From eight in the morning to six or seven at night they are out in the streets leafleting, haranguing, etc. Like the Mormons they have recruitment goals and they are yelled at for hours ("ego-stripping") after work if they don't meet them; a "working day" can last from 8am to 11pm including the self-criticism sessions. People are doled out small sums ($40 or less) for these hours of work, and many steal from the kitty to buy food. They are cut off from their families and the world (no reading non-LaRouche news, seeing movies, watching TV, listening to the radio.) The burn-out rate seems to be high; many recent members drop out after a year or less.

    The blog above is written by a Dane (I think), so the English isn't perfect, but it points out how LYM has moved into Europe.
  4. Regardless of what Lyndon LaRouche says, he ain't no neo-Platonist.

    He's actually very pro-fascist.

    The Anabaptist Jacques
  5. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    I actually thought Lyndon Larouche was still in prison. When did he get out -- if you know?

  6. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I remember a school buddy taking me to a meeting of LaRouch's US Labor Party back around 73 or 74. People were addressing each other as "Comrade" and they were talking about "Operation Nuremberg". I turned to my friend and said "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas any more".

    An interesting write up about life in the LaRouche organization paints it as a cross between the Sea Org Int Base and a radical Socialist group:
  7. I don't know when LaRouche got out of prison. Back in the 1970s a number of FCDC public worked at his headquarters.

    I actually talked to the person who ran his DC office. She said that Thomas Jefferson was really a traitor to America and went on with a lot of fascist views.

    At the time he had people in airports who were promoting nuclear energy.

    It his promo LaRouche he is the only person smart enough to understand the world and what must be done about it.

    His groups have always been more of a cult than a political organization.

    The Anabaptist Jacques
  8. Mister Mike

    Mister Mike Patron

    Bingo...he damaged the American student Left, played footsie with far-Right figures in the 1980s, and now he plays Reverend Moon to his young followers. It's never really been about his ideas, just getting himself ahead.
  9. GoNuclear

    GoNuclear Gold Meritorious Patron

    You mean to tell me you actually believe in global warming after the global warming "scientists" ... sort of on par with the infamous tobacco company scientists ... were caught fudging their data????????? Shit.

  10. Mister Mike

    Mister Mike Patron

    It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what Lyndon LaRouche/Lyn Marcus makes his followers believe.
  11. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    In 2008, Maureen Orth, who wrote the article on Tom Cruise & his auditioning for wives, in Vanity Fair, wrote about a kidnap & deprogramming attempt on the heir to the Dupont fortune, Lewis DuPont Smith, a fan of Lyndon who donated over $200,000 to his sect.

    The deprogrammer, Galen Kelly, was acquitted of all charges. The LaRouche camp was aggressively seeking to have Galen, and the National Cult Awareness Network (CAN) indicted, with the aid of the Church of Scientology operating under it's one of many front groups at the time, the Deprogrammers Survival Network.

    Galen was a member of CAN & was later paid by the CAN Board of Directors to prepare a pamphlet on Lyndon LaRouche, because not alot was known about him & his sect at the time. E. Newbold Smith, Lewis' father was a financial supporter of CAN. Scientology used these facts to spin a tale that this proved there was a direct link between Kelly & CAN when it came to kidnapping & deprogramming.

    "A family cringes as father and son wage a bitter, public battle of wills. The father is E. Newbold Smith, who married a du Pont; the son is Lewis du Pont Smith, who took his own vows with the radical Lyndon LaRouche. Newbold had Lewis declared incompetent to manage his $10 million estate, then allegedly recruited a motley crew of accomplices to “snatch” him...

    On this last day of 1992, the impeccably pedigreed elder Mr. Smith, who had married into the du Pont money, found himself in Alexandria, Virginia, the focal point of a trail in which he was accused of conspiring to kidnap his 36-year-old son. Mr. Smith had heard the government portray him as the financier of a plot to “snatch” Lewis in order to “deprogram” him....

    After Lewis, whose inheritance is valued at roughly $10 million, gave a LaRouche publishing arm $212,000 in 1985, and was poised to give $75,000 more, the family succeeded in having a Pennsylvania court declare him “incompetent” to manage his financial affairs, and this public disgrace has so humiliated Lewis that he denounced his parents and refused to have any contact with his two brothers or his sister....

    In the courtroom, Judge Timothy Ellis was appealing to Smith father and son to get beyond the underlying battle over Lewis’s inheritance and rise above petty snobbishness. But that hardly seemed possible....

    Over the years Newbold Smith has paid Kelly $30,000 to conduct surveillance of Lewis and negotiate with LaRouche operatives about having him turned over to his family...

    The trial attracted a parade of the unusual, as one Philadelphia Inquirer headline put it. There were parents of children who had joined cults and Lyndon LaRouche operatives. Reporters were presented with damning affidavits about Galen Kelly from a group calling itself the Deprogramming Survivors Network, which appeared to be operating as a front for the Church of Scientology. Their mortal enemy was the Cult Awareness Network (can), a clearinghouse for cult information based in Chicago, with which Kelly was affiliated and to which Newbold Smith had contributed generously..."

    Lewis Dupont Smith remained a LaRouchie after his failed deprogramming. He died last year of pancreatic cancer.
  12. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    What definition of fascist are you using? I don't see how a guy who worships FDR can be a fascist. The OP says he swung to the right. Nonsense. I've read a lot of his work. He is a big critic of the right.

    I do believe that he's on the nutty side. His organization is a cult. But he's not a fascist or a right winger. IMO he is his own unique brand of socialism.
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    He's been out of prison since 92 or 93.
  14. Mirele

    Mirele Patron

    One of LaRouche's cellmates during his incarceration was Jim Bakker of PTL Club fame. I wonder if they swapped stories about ripping off the sheeple?

    And now, for my story about the looniness which was the LaRouchies. One of my university friends was elected a delegate to the state Democratic convention in either 1982 or 1984. He got all sorts of junk mail. By far the most entertaining piece of literature came from the LaRouchies, and included the claim that Queen Elizabeth was a drug pusher. For years afterward, when we got together, inevitably someone would say, "Queen Elizabeth PUSHES DRUGS!" at which point we'd all dissolve in gales of laughter.

    Why yes, you'd be correct that I simply could not take LaRouche seriously.
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2012
  15. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Many years ago (1970s), I knew a Scientologist (an ex staff member, then "off-lines") who hoped to bring about a Hubbard&LaRouche alliance, or at least a working relationship. He sent me copies of LaRouche's 'Executive Review', and other publications, on a regular basis.

    These covered all sorts of topics, including describing the ages-long struggle between the oligarchs and the city builders, and between the followers of Plato (the good guys) and the followers of Aristotle (the bad guys) and on and on, according to LaRouche's view of the history of the world.

    This fellow was quite dismayed when the LaRouche organization, in the mid 1970s, published a paper describing Hubbard as an agent of MK-Ultra, and Scientology as an MK-Ultra project. This conclusion was based on Hubbard's 1969 PR cover-up assertion, in the 'Times of London', that he had been a secret agent for Naval Intelligence in the 1940s (when he "broke up a black magic group and rescued a girl.")

    Nonetheless, this Scientologist continued with his project to somehow align the two organizations and their leaders. Ultimately, he donated his vast collection of LaRouche literature to the Delphi School in Oregon where, I suspect, it eventually ended up in a dumpster.

    LaRouche, at 90, giving his "State of the Union' address:

    In the 1980s, LaRouche purchased one half hour of prime-time television, on a major channel, such as NBC, during which he addressed the importance of a colony on Mars.

    I notice that objective is still of importance to the new youthful (up and coming) leadership of his organization:

    We all know that Louis Farrakhan (to quote Marty Rathbun) "gets L. Ron Hubbard," but imagine if Lyndon LaRouche also "got L. Ron Hubbard."

    That that would be an interesting merger of cults. :unsure:

    Last but not least, compare the cowardly and paranoid cult leader Hubbard with two other cult leaders:

    Lyndon LaRouche, who was sentenced to prison for mail fraud and tax violations, and continued to run his organization while serving his sentence. He was eventually released from prison, and continues to lead his organization at age 90.

    Then there's Sun Myung Moon, another, cult leader, who was sent to prison for income tax fraud and conspiracy. He continued to run his organization from inside prison, and was eventually released, and continued as leader of his organization well into his 90s.

    Hubbard let his wife take the rap for his crimes, and ran way and hid - all the while making sure that the cash flow, and his monuments-to-himself projects, continued.

    Imagine if Hubbard had lived to be a healthy 90. That would have placed him in 2001, in the age of the Internet. Imagine the talk he could have given to the overjoyed Scientologists.

    Indeed, Hubbard should have been here today, at a healthy and perky 101, super-enlightened from all that upper upper upper level auditing.
  16. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    You are amazing, Smurf. How do you know all this stuff?
  17. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    I was covert OSA & a CAN member & helped to decimate the organization... Galen Kelly once threatened to rip my balls off & feed them to me on a plate.

    The early to late 90s.. those were some interesting times. :lol:
  18. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

  19. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

  20. Mister Mike

    Mister Mike Patron

    You must have forgotten Dope, Inc., first published in 1978. In it LaRouche's writers Konstandinos Kalimtgis, Jeff Steinberg, and David P. Goldman create a conspiracy of Zionists either working for the British aristocracy or using them as cover to run the worldwide drug racket. The book creates an "Order of Zion" and claims that the known anti-Semetic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the minutes of an Order meeting in Paris which were captured by the Russian Tsarist Okrana secret police and published to get back at the Zionists for undermining the Russian government*. It is this group that ran the drugs with the Chinese Triads on orders from Lord Palmerston (!) in the 19th century and now runs the racket from banks in Canada.

    My point in bringing up this nonsense is that antisemitism is mostly a hobby of the farthest-Right, especially when the book was originally published. That LaRouche has republished the book three times and added to it (even though he denies the book to the media when it's brought up) speaks volumes to me....what I haven't mentioned before should be said now; LaRouche is a crypto-politician. He can't reveal what he would really do if he were in power because it would be catastrophic to any campaign. Certainly he has written that he admires FDR and the New Deal, but is that a front for something else? Chip Berlet and other writers feel that a LaRouche America would be some sort of police state with a high tech base (in the 1980s LaRouche pushed nuclear power and fusion power research.) What can be said with any certainty is that such a state would be pro-capitalist, anti-Jewish, and opposed to the last 40 years of popular music.


    * The truth is that the Okrana wrote the Protocols using a mishmash of two sources: Dialoge in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu by Maurice Joly and part of Hermann Goedsche's novel Biarritz. The first copies of the Protocols appeared in Russia in 1903, and came to the West with White Russians after the Bolsheviks won the Russian Civil War. It has been in print ever since.