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Marty Rathbun gets it wrong . . . again #2

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Infinite, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    In an a futile effort at polishing his Tech Guru badge, our favourite radical Scientologist, Marty Rathbun, gets it wrong. Again.

    This time, Marty has discovered (yes, discovered) that the application of Golden Age Tech in the cult is preventing progress toward spiritual freedoms. He puts this down to: "what has become the standard operating procedure OT VII every six month 'fixation on pt life rudiments intensives' ". In an esoteric passage of goobledeegook, he claims this "fixation" has resulted in a "super fixidity" in auditors who now focus far too much of their attention on present time PC/OT behaviours. He then traipses off into the insane hinterland of L Ron Hubbard's broken mind to fetch a quote to verify this "discovery". What Marty fails to obnose, however, are prerequisite Scientology basic fundamentals and, if anything, the current practises in the cult are a refinement, not an impediment.

    While the rest of the world realised over 60 years ago that Scientology does not work, this is not a possibility than can be considered by its adherents. KSW clearly states that the single most important reason the tech doesn't work is because the recipient lacks faith in its efficacy. Further, the only reason the recipient lacks faith in the tech is because they have an overt. Being a firm believer in the tech, David Miscavige, et al, must by now be at their wits end with the realisation that not one single Clear or OT ability has yet manifested. Accordingly, this must be because the Clears and the OTs are lacking faith in the tech because of their overts. With this in mind, it now becomes apparent just why there is this insistence on present time rudiments and sec-checking: the overts must be dealt with before sustainable progress can be made.

    Being the better Scientologist, David Miscavige, is simply displaying a far higher level of faith in the tech and, as a direct result, generating as much income as possible as per L Ron Hubbard's original intention.
  2. We all know Marty is open for business selling Hubbard's mindfuck con game,

    and there seems to be not shortage of suckers, so business seems to be good,

    but, I'm not 100% sure if he knows it's a con game,

    he still may actually be one of the suckers himself.
  3. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader


    here you go:

    Last edited: Feb 5, 2011
  4. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    Thanks Anonkat. Have you seen some of the follow-up comments at MartyLand? Its like a festival of virtual fellation.
  5. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire


  6. Pooks


    Marty and Mike, continue to drink the koolaid. They provide great lulz for the rest of us.

    It's a pretty tough pill to take and realize that you've been a complete retard in following hubbard/s dreck. Marty's ego just won't allow it. Boo hoo for him.

  7. Captain Koolaid

    Captain Koolaid Patron Meritorious

    They mock those still in the "church" as Kool Aid drinkers. :duh: But they're unable to put Hubbard under the microscope. Oh the irony.
  8. I can understand him cashing in on the morons who still want to play Hubbard's role playing con game, since his attempts to earn a living outside of cultlife didn't work out too well

    ... but him still actually believing Hubbard's nonsense? ... that's just flat out sad.
  9. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    Incredible, isn't it?
  10. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Although I enjoy your poëtic description very very much, I say to each their own.

    I Imagine you are afraid of abusive situations outside of the Cof$ ?
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2011
  11. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    Huh? lern2grammar.

    Other than attempting to make this personal (always attack, never defend, eh?) I can't quite see what you mean. Am I afraid that L Ron Hubbard's tech will be used against me? No, but I am alert to it. Am I afraid that the radical Independents will perpetuate cult abuses? No, more concerned than frightened. From the perspective that the technology is, at its heart, abusive in that it diminishes cognitive functioning, "abuse" happens outside the cult every day.

    All I'm doing here is pointing out that the six-monthly sec checks and present time rudiments regimen which Marty says is preventing spiritual development is perfectly in alignment with KSW. Have I got that wrong?
  12. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I detest KSW. It's full of opinions that Hubbard tries to impose on his flock.
    Always atack , never defend could as well be an Anon Slogan if one has to judge it's behaviour as a whole entity instead of the protestanon part.
    I do share your concern, however outside that insidious enviroment luckely if an Independant breaks the law he will face the law like every one of us.
    He wants to go on with Scientology than that is his choice. I did point out on his blog the "opinions" interwoven in KSW I tottaly disagree with.
    LOL atack you ? not in the slightest.

    Yes what Marty says is in line with KSW. but with who's interpretation of it ? Your, mine or his ?
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2011
  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Well, yes. Marty is correct in that it violates "proper" Scn tech to harp on rudiments instead of doing something for the pc. I'll give one personal example as a pc. I very rarely needed (or need) to spend time on rudiments, i.e. present-life worries or problems or upsets, but I just want to get on with the main action of the session, whatever it happens to be. One day I had a bad cold or a sprained wrist or something, and the C/S (auditing instruction) was an assist to address that in some way. I wasn't in the least interested in wasting what to me was precious auditing time by addressing something so ephemeral, that would be fine of its own accord in a few days or a week anyway. So the auditor was able to get a quick change in the C/S, and I was happy as a clam to be able to get on with the regular auditing program that I was on.

    Now, if it had been a really serious injury or upset, that consumed most of my attention, then yes, I would have been happy to address it. But this one wasn't. Another example, guy is happily married with a loving family, and one day out of the blue there's a car crash and his wife dies. That is not something that would be handled in five minutes by flying a rudiment, and would certainly be a legitimate reason to come off the regular auditing program the guy had been on.

    I'm not trying to push the view that Scientology Wurks!!! onto you, but to give the idea that the pc tends to want to get on with what he considers meaty and worthwhile, not so much dick around in handling relatively insignificant concerns.

  14. Pooks


    That's the inherent evil of KSW, there is no interpretation. It is what it is.

    Hubbard lays out the 10 points of hammering out of existence any alteration of his tech.

    A true blue Scio can not pick and choose, he can only apply standard dreck.

    If Marty is interpreting then he's just another squirrel per the dreck.
  15. Regardless if it "violates proper Scn tech" or not the fact remains that ten years ago Marty was helping to ruin the lives of people like Greg and Debra Barnes who brought this up at the time, now he's acting as if he just discovered this.
  16. Pooks


    This is true.
  17. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Yes KSW is Hubbard defining the enemy and what is "acceptable behavior"per him.

    I don't find your quote that damning actually. This one I find more damning:

  18. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    For sure. Its a bit like taking your car into the service centre to get the spark plugs changed and the mechanic insists on removing the plugs by going up through the crankcase and via the pistons. You'll get your plugs changed, eventually, but its going to cost a truck-load more money and time than simply removing them from the top.

    My point is that the current focus on rudiments/sec checking is in alignment with KSW which is the master policy/tech/scripture document. Previously, people were going in to get their spark plugs changed but the engine (i.e., the Thetan) was still not working as described. It never has, even under LRH's own hand. Assuming the tech does work, there's obviously a problem somewhere and, as per the tech, it has to be an overt.

    For a single auditor removed from the cult environment and not bound by KSW, of course, get on with what the pc wants. For someone stuck in there and responsible for the entire operation, what else can they do? There are more people leaving than joining, the reputation is in tatters, no Clear has a perfect memory, OTs are not levitating ashtrays or making anything go right, ipso facto, sec check the lot to see WTF is going on.
  19. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    I've seen your comments about KSW. Good work.

    I disagree about "always attack never defend" being applicable to Anon. I've seen example after example after example where Anon's attempt to defend their position in the face of Scilon attack - its just that the tech prevents them from listening, let along thinking about what's said.
  20. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Silver Meritorious Patron

    "We will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise
    above the bank. We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact—
    the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology
    but with wild dramatization of the bank called "new ideas" would have
    wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that man has never before
    evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious
    technology he did evolve—psychiatry, psychology, surgery, shock
    treatment, whips, duress, punishment, etc, ad infinitum." - by you know who.

    It really does begin with KSW 1. "We will not speculate"....there, you're done! No speculation. No doubt! Not a drop You're with us or agin' us. If you're agin' us you may well lose your spouse, children, other family and your friends. No duress here! "duress, punishment, etc..." That would be psychiatry! Interesting that "psychiatry," then, was the only thing I could see was being practiced in the church.

    How many times have you Method 9's this or Method 9'd others on it? It was de rigueur during the last few bouts I had with the church. Once it was done on me under an amazing amount of physical and mental duress as well.
    Too bad for them the "implant" didn't "take!"

    (Method 9 word clearing: you have the person read the text aloud til he falters or stumbles in speech and then you must find the word the student mis-understands.)