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Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Mimsey Borogrove, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    When in the early 80's I ran across a book called "When the Sky Fell" I read it with fascination - the premise was that the crust displaced some 23 degrees. I also read Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods , but then as my involvement in Scientology increased, working to get my wife and my self up through the OT levels, the time to pursue more reading evaporated in the quest make money, study on evening ASHO BC etc.

    Some 5 or 6 years ago Scientology declared me after giving the IAS some $120K+ , and lord know how much money to get both me and my wife up on OT 7, including staying at the FH or the Sand Castle. I began to read about Scientology on the internet and was flabbergasted to find out I had been had. How I had bought into Hubbard's lies.

    I discovered ESMB and being that I was curious about things spiritual in nature, I started posting some of the things I found, assuming that many here would have the same interest. Well. I was disabused of that idea. Some did - some didn't, some were so betrayed by Hubbard, they shied away with a vengeance. Some attacked the idea with venom.

    When I tried to post some of my experiences - I became a pariah. But I didn't give up hope. Once these people believed. Why couldn't they move beyond their negative experiences?

    One of the posters here had a thread about Stars being electrical in nature. I thought: That's interesting, because it never made any sense that the sun was a massive fusion explosion - if so, why was it cooler on the interior than the corona? So I began to watch many videos on the Electronic Universe theory. I didn't post much about that field of research for whatever reason.

    But it led me to the grand solar minimums. This is actual science, and has much research behind it. In a nut shell, I found that the sun is a variable star, it is not emitting the same energy level year after year While it has short 11 year sunspot cycles, it has the longer cycles of the grand solar minimums and grand solar maximums. The Grand solar minimums were periods of great cooling - the last big one was the Maunder Minimum, during which millions perished. Due to the regularity of the cycles, we are entering yet another.

    So I began posting on the climate change thread many of the different articles I had run across debunking the Manmade Climate Change nee Global Warming. Those posts had some agreement - they didn't challenge anyone's credulity.

    My interests led me to the Megalithic constructions around the globe, which easily proved the existence of a prior advanced civilization. There are many photos of their construction, they can be seen in the flesh if one so desires. I posted a short lived thread on the subject.

    I also ran across Sheldrakes work on psychic phenomena, some of which I had experienced my self. Perhaps that was sort of a confirmation bias? But when I posted about his work I was met with general derision, though some like Roger, admired his work. Oh, he was debunked! some claimed, and so I became disabused of posting more about him.

    The same reaction was to follow my posting work by Pierre-Marie Robitaille, Ph.D. and his series on the composition of the sun, his proofs that it was not a plasma ball as generally accepted, but condensed matter - solid and liquid hydrogen.

    I had the idea that, because I was a Class 6 auditor, I could answer questions that came up by curious newcomers posting here, about how the tech worked. I feel that the tech is plenty wacky by itself and it didn't need erroneous ideas of it spread around for the simple reason - if a non-scientologist were to talk to a scientologist and spout incorrect concepts, he would lose the attention of the scientologist needlessly. How did that fare? Dagwood Gum accused me of being a Scientologist and put me on ignore.

    I must admit that many times I was in a hurry to dash off to work, or whatever, and didn't fully read and grok what was being said, having assumed the writers intent incorrectly. Hence my responses were non-sequitur. Please accept my apologies.

    Many of my political posts were made by myself, a person who did not follow politics, was unschooled on the intimate details of it and that it was a learning process on my part, which wasn't tolerated, the subject of yet more derision.

    More and more through my wanting to share my thoughts, ideas, feelings, things I find interesting and post bout are the butt of jokes. I don't know how you would feel if the shoe were on the other foot. I kind of ignore it, don't read those posts. Sorry.

    Where this is leading is this:

    Apparently, things aren't what the seem to be. As I read more about climate change, the electric universe, the grand solar minimums, looked at graphs of temperature / CO2, etc. a picture began to surface. Not a rosy one.

    Much of this runs counter to what is taught in school, universities, so I guess you can take it with a grain of salt.

    When I posted the thread: Is The Sun Conscious, it was to illuminate the idea - the sun reacts to stimuli in a complex manner - I don't think it is conscious as you and I are, but it's reaction to stimuli ( changes in the orbits of the planets, interstellar gas and dust clouds to name a couple) could be likened to a form of consciousness.

    The sun is a variable star - and if you have any curiosity about astronomy, you are well aware stars can go nova - explode. But some are not destroyed in a nova - some have repetitive mini novas - they are characterized by multiple dust shells. There's photographs of them. Could our sun be one of those?

    Recently I watched an account that was the question the CIA asked the Rand Corp to solve back in the sixties.

    Much ado was made of the Noah's flood, the search for the same. That there was a great flood is the subject of many stories passed down in many cultures. There is also physical evidence. For example: the greatest source of ivory in the 1800s was Siberia. There were bone fields of hundreds of dead mammoths in the corners of rivers, Those animals were swept along the rivers - piled up in the curves where the rotted. A flood had apparently washed the vast herds out to sea, leaving behind those bone yards.

    According to Vogt - the CIA and NASA determined to find out if the sun has micro novas, thus the reason for the moon walks was to find evidence of these mini novas - and once they did, they never bothered to return to the moon. What the found, among other things - micro beads of molten glass containing heavy elements such as aluminum 26. Dust blown from the sun in a micro nova. They repeat about every 12,500 years. The last one was at the Younger dryas and we are due for another in the not too distant future.

    From what I gather, the earth, reacting to the lessening of the solar output, its magnetosphere weakens, the magnetic pole wanders (which it is doing) further and further south. The poles are increasing their wander - they are moving faster.

    The rotation of the earth also slows - it is linked the magnetic field. The Rand corporation was also looking for the relationship between the mini novas and the slowing of the planet. They found the proof.

    Yes - we have all heard the end is coming, doom and gloom, we have watched all manner of movies, read books of post apocalypse stories, and have heard mankind suffers from amnesia. It does not know it's history.

    Much of this has alternative explanations given by science. However, if this, if true, would be a catastrophe of biblical proportions.

    So there are these two cataclysm hypothesis - the sun micro novas and the other is the earth's rotation slows or stops or worse, reverses, when the poles flip. Or worse, they are linked and occur simultaneously. :confused: That is the position of the below video.

    If it happens, it being the magnetic pole flips, and if the rotation of the earth suddenly slows, no longer being driven by the magnetic field, the oceans, due to their inertia would flood over the continents, washing everything away. Is there any evidence this happened before? Yes, actually. If you look at the pictures of the continental shelf there are many vast unexplained canyons. They look all the world like vast quantities water was running down into the empty sea bottoms. And yet - there is no currents flowing down the canyons. Could they be runoff of massive flooding? Quite probably.

    Do I believe this?

    I certainly have questions, such as what about the inertia of the crust? Wouldn't it keep the planet spinning? However, look at the Himalayas. They were allegedly caused by India crashing into Asia. Was it the slow process science espouses or a sudden one, as in the above hypothesis above and mentioned in my Scientology and Catastrophe thread?

    That's up to you to decide.

    So, if true, its a really interesting scenario. If not, it is a conspiracy theory and junk science. But I feel the obligation to mention it. Whether you scoff or find it interesting, as I hope you will, it is certainly a conundrum to solve.

    So the bottom line is this: I have much to thank ESMB for, frustrating though it may have been. Thanks to posters and to Emma for creating such a place to communicate.


    Mammoth bone bed – the Berelekh woolly mammoth "graveyard" in the lower reaches of the Indigirka River northeast Siberia:


    Example of the undersea canyons found on every continent - this is off Monterey Canyon Ca. :

    Pole wander:


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  2. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Sorry Mimsey, but can you tell me in a few short words what the point you were trying to make was. I read the 'where this is leading is this' bit hoping for the answer, but I'm still none the wiser. It's probably easier to ask you than wade through all that again, I'm too lazy.

    Oh, sorry to nitpick, but the sun generates its heat and light by fusion, not fission.
  3. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Thanks. I will correct same. I know the post was long, so you can read it all or not as you wish. Ces't la vi.

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  4. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Bottom line: If that's what's going on there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

    Mimsey & ESMB is not really a good title for your missive.

    Don your Hoxie armour Mims and prepare to repel borders :D
  5. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Yeah. Really. Move to the east side of the rocky mountains is apparently your best bet. That's where the US government has it's underground bunkers.

    Oh - HH will no doubt put up massive ginormous Helpful Hints - he relishes my posts so much it seems obsessive. I'm his Anti Muse.


  6. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I have read it all and your point escapes me. You might as well admit it Mimsey, there is no point, it's just a page full of meaningless waffle and the only reason for its existence is you were so jealous that someone named a thread after me that you just had to have one of your own. :biggrin:

    Sorry to nitpick, but the sun isn't a fusion explosion any more than it's a fission explosion. You seem to be specialising in writing about stuff you evidently know absolutely nothing about.
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  7. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    MImsey Posted:

    Mammoth bone bed – the Berelekh woolly mammoth "graveyard"
    in the lower reaches of the Indigirka River northeast Siberia:


    - - - - - - -​

    Mimsey, many thanks for posting that evidence!

    I had plans for this weekend to go out with friends, but based on the above scientific data , I have canceled--in order to research this further and by the end of the weekend (hopefully) to come up with a solution that will prevent this kind of cataclysmic cosmic calamity from happening again.

    I can't believe people are ignoring this urgent information, on this planet!

    Somehow, I get the feeling that this Mammoth bone bed is tied to the technology that was used to build the pyramids.

    Thanks again, keep up the advanced research and briefings!!
  8. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is the back yard of one of the most popular of the flintstone's McFred's fanchises.

    2 100% lean mamouth burger patties
    lettuce, pickle and
    special sauce.
  9. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hi Mimsey, I’m coming out of ESMB “retirement” just to comment on your post. The subject you raise is one I’ve been studying on and looking into at length. It is, in my opinion, the big issue of our time and completely dwarfs all other subjects, including Scientology (which has become quite boring for many of us who’ve been exes for quite awhile.)

    Whether or not this event will wipe out life as we know it in the next couple decades, one thing is for sure: No one escapes eventual death whether alone or en masse, so it makes some sense to prepare.

    Anyway, thanks for talking about this. No, you’re not crazy. I’m not either. I have done the research, and there is something going on.
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  10. HelluvaHoax!

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    ANSWER: . Apparently not.

  11. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Excellent point.

    In fact, I have been prepared since the 1970s when Ron predicted the planet "...has at most 5 years" before utter destruction. At that time I buried a few one-gallon water bottles and a couple cans of tuna fish plus a bag of trail mix inside my bedroom wall.

    I also installed motion detectors around my apartment in case anyone thinks they are going to just waltz in and steal my provisions.

    I especially liked your post-ending, scientific finding that "...there is something going on". Forewarned is forearmed! Good stuff, helpful r-factor!
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  12. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

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  13. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    I think the Church of Scientology could make use of this thread. They could send their tech academy trainees here for practical examples of what the tone level of 1.1. looks like.
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Thanks for posting my reply for me HH. I just couldn't be bothered.
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  15. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I appreciate your posts, Mims, and your search for truth. Thank you.

    Miles Mathis has great science articles. is about the solar cycle.

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  16. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I appreciate your humor HH. I would probably react the same if I hadn’t actually researched the subject.
  17. pineapple

    pineapple Silver Meritorious Patron

    Mims, I haven't followed your recent science (or pseudo-science?) threads, but I certainly do appreciate your knowledge of scn, and you've answered my questions on many occasions, for which I thank you.
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  18. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Ah, Mimsey...

  19. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband


    Reason: PLP. Pretty Lame Post.
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  20. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    In one of his videos he discusses the suppression of this information by the CIA on one hand, as they quietly went about verifying the theory. When it was confirmed - they had little hope of mankind's survival and so A La Hubbard ( you can control some one - by lying to them) began a campaign on disinformation on one hand while digging the bunker is the Rockys on the other - the height of pessimism.

    Thus, we have lost some 50 years that massive underground cities in the Rocky's could have been constructed to save as much of the population as possible. Perhaps it was the Sophie's choice of who would be chosen to live in the cities and who would be left to their fate was too much? Or they only cared for their own skins? If they truly believe in this scenario is for real they have foisted upon us a massive betrayal.

    It's much akin to the not wanting early earthquake warning systems because of the chaos such a warning would cause, or the embarrassment if it didn't happen ( much like the 2000 computer crash).

    Oy Vey.


    Perhaps they are thinking of themselves living in their bunkers while the rest of us fry or drown A La Dr. Strangelove: