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Discussion in 'Staff "War Stories"' started by Lulu Belle, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    On the XSO list we have several people who were at Int with BFG and at the same times he talks about. All of them have confirmed BFGs accuracy - the guys dont always cover the same ground bt where they were there for the things BFG writes about - they have, 100% of the time confirmed the accuracy of what he says.

    I personally have no idea whether this particular incident is 100% correctly reported but I do know that it sounds very similar to every other manipulative cult's behavior.

    It mystifies and horrifies me that people I have looked up to - like Wilhere - could possible agree to take part in such grotesque and demeaning rituals. But I also know from reading about other cults like Hare Krishna, offshoots of the Mormons, Heaven's Gate etc that ordinary people can be so broken down that they will, eventually, do the unspeakable.

    This is not heading ina good direction.
     
  2. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat


    Bjorkist,

    Does it fucking matter who he is or was?

    Do you not GET THIS?

    I'm sorry.

    But this particular tale has upset the fuck out of me since I first read it this morning.

    And I'm still upset.
     
  3. SchwimmelPuckel

    SchwimmelPuckel Genuine Meatball

    If Zinjifar was never a scio, then his take on it maybe reflects what wogs think about the scamcult? If so, that is really good. With this understanding they will keep the hell away. They won't need to get in there and get their mind damaged to get it, like I did...

    Björkist, I don't get why you need to demean someone because he was 'never a $cientologist'. $cientology is a scam, a swindle. There is NO status or respectable experience from having been duped in there.

    The WOG's who smell the rotten fish before they buy it are the smarter of us!

    Blearghh! - I recall that Hubturd explained that 'gossipers' were lynched in olden times.. He was explaining about third partying. He really seemed to like the idea of 'lynching' these vile gossipers, like they did back when there was still sanity in the world.. They were not as far down the dwindeling spiral as we are now..

    I think Hubturd forgot that they lynched snake oil salesmen back then too.

    :fighting:
     
  4. Lee_from_phx

    Lee_from_phx Patron with Honors

    The people who should be ashamed are the ones who are putting up with this crap.

    I find it absolutely amazing that in all this time, after abusing so many people for so long and so horrifically, that not ONE of them has simply snapped and beaten him to death with their bare hands, or bitten his nose off, or gouged out his eyes.

    Does he have bodyguards who surround him 24/7? How does he avoid being murdered by the inmates of his asylum?

    He's got these people so buffaloed that even Jim Jones would probably be impressed.
     
  5. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader


    The answer to this comment is on the To Bjorkist thread, from me. Go see.
     
  6. Lee_from_phx

    Lee_from_phx Patron with Honors

    Its called BEING A SOCIOPATH. This isn't a "valence." It is his fundamental nature.
     
  7. Fancy

    Fancy Patron Meritorious

    I was at this event and I don't recall this at all but I was mid my own upset as well for it was not long before I was deadfiled. I was dead filed in the Fall of 2000.

    Barb

     
  8. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    A true leader brings out the best in people. Makes them shine and be as great as he his. A true SP brings out the worst in people, makes them dumb and degraded. It's clear where DM stands. :yes:
     
  9. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    "Everyone knows where the booze is, the question is who wants to cross Capone."

    One way to get rid of DM would be to out-create him. Get a REAL celeb in the FZ or flush psychiatry out of a nation and take the credit while bashing DM's COS. That would send him spinning down to -40 and back to Marcab or wherever shithole he came out of. I'd like to trap him inside a ruby and have my dog wear it in his collar. :happydance:
     
  10. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    He's always been a vicious fuckwit in a donkey suit, thirsty for the blood of those he leads. I'll post a portrait of him from when I knew him. He's as ugly now as he was then.
     
  11. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    We had a Rasputin type SP here in Peru. Videotaped all his overts and is now in jail. DM will fall the same way. He wants to be stopped. But noone bothers. I'm tired of stopping him myself. I think about it but then see a hot peruvian ass and realise the important things in life. :happydance:
     
  12. NonScio

    NonScio Patron Meritorious

    Gee this guy (DM) sounds like the reincarnation of Caligula.
    (Roman Emperor after Tiberius).
    As I recall, Caligula appointed his favorite horse to the
    Roman Senate. He declared himself a god at one point.
    One of his little antics was to set up an official whorehouse
    in which all the wives of the Senators and other nobility were
    required to serve. Everyone in Rome cowered in fear until a
    conspiracy arose and he was assasinated
    while at the forum when he left his seat to go to the the toilet.
    Had to walk through a narrow corridor...conspirators blocked the
    gate so the praetorian guards couldn't follow and proceeded
    to stab the wayward Emperor multiple times.

    So, if History repeats...DM should beware the Ides of March!
    (or was that Julius Ceasar?)...anyway, anyone playing his game
    will eventually piss someone off royally, so he must watch his
    back at all tiimes. For him, that's not paranoia...its probably real!
     
  13. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    I'd show a video of his romps during an event and put it on youtube. That would get rid of him once and for all.
     
  14. olska

    olska Silver Meritorious Patron

    Look closely at this situation described by BFG and take note, because it is a “window” on the horror of what it would be like to live as a citizen member of a political power (a government) operated according to the beliefs and teachings of scientology.

    For those out there reading who object to, or wonder why some of us are so determined to see that “scientology” never permeates our society to that extent and that no such political power arises or takes form, here in all its gory detail is the reason.

    You may think that Miscavige (obviously a crazy and cruel individual, a sociopath, a despot, a person dramatizing an “evil valence” or whatever label you want to attach to him) is the core of the problem; but both he and his victims are products of the scientology belief system and its application in their lives.

    That belief system underlies his victims’ willingness to tolerate this kind of abuse; and without that belief system, Miscavige could not have become who and what he is.
     
  15. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Agreed. Totally.
     
  16. Björkist

    Björkist Silver Meritorious Patron

    OK, so I am getting the feeling that a few people here think DM is nuts. Was he always like this or did he suddenly or slowly "go crazy"?

    Why would someone work their entire lives on something like Scientology and then turn it over to an incompetent?

    And Lulu, I think it is very important to know what capacity BFG is/was in during these incidents especially considering the angle he writes his stories from.

    Some like to just gobble up anything that supports their already cemented viewpoint. It helps make them feel like they are divinely right. Or didn't you know that?
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2007
  17. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    DM's interpretation of SCN admin tech is the problem. He DOES NOT apply SCN admin tech as it should and has created a culture of viciousness in the COS. You are blaming SCN in the hands of a madman. As if the Talibans represented true Islamic behaviour, NOT! DM has no heart nor brain, that is the problem. SCN used by a great person with character, superior intelect and infinite ARC for his fellows would be great.

    Don't confuse DM's actions with SCN admin tech. Many here have shown how he doesn't follow policy, only his interpretation and how he favours the most vicious of actions instead of the greatest good.

    Admin tech has no bridge, no set pattern. This opens the door to madmen like DM to victimize people.

    I have been a Scientologist for the past 15 years and have only become more human, loving and alive. DM is in over his head as RTC COB and he struts like the incompetent madman he is.
     
  18. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    How he took power is quite odd, as the death of LRH. I think over time he got faced by his own incompetence and surrounded by fools as he is noone has the guts or ability to boot his ass out. Can things get any more pathetic?
     
  19. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Scientology wasn't like this always. What you are looking at is BLACK SCIENTOLOGY.

    .
     
  20. olska

    olska Silver Meritorious Patron

    I agree with you that DM "has no heart nor brain," that he is a madman, that he is vicious, that from the position he now holds he does whatever he pleases irregardless of "SCN admin tech."

    So how did he get to be the COB of an international organization in the first place? and how is it that there are no built-in "checks and balances" in that organization that can be used by other members or officials of that organization to remove him?

    So how is it that, rather than just throwing him out on his butt or filing charges and having him jailed, or just walking away and leaving him there all alone and powerless to do anything to anyone and starting their own kinder, gentler, more "on purpose" organization, his "subjects" in that organization allow him to abuse them as he does?

    The answers to those questions are to be found in the "SCN admin tech" and the "SCN tech tech." DM and his "subjects" are products of the scientology belief system which underlies their behavior, their decisions, and the resulting organization in its current condition that they create.

    One little piece of that belief system is the absolutely absurd notion that an uneducated teenager with little or no life experience is an appropriate choice to be COB of an international organization and that it is just fine that he be given the power that he now has over the lives of the men, women, and children that he now ruthlessly controls.

    That same one little piece of that belief system underlies the equally absurd situation in which a 50-year-old man or woman with education and experience both outside of and within the organization can be ordered around by a twelve-year-old "ethics officer,"

    ... because, according to the scientology belief system, the twelve-year-old is not a "child" still themselves needing discipline, training, grooming, and experience in preparation for adult life and adult responsibilities, but rather a "thetan" with gadzillions of years of experience on the whole track who is expected to bypass their own childhood and step right into adult responsibilities.

    And according to the scientology belief system, any of those people in the "musical chairs" game or any other of DM's games who banded together with others to stop that insanity would be committing MUTINY, which according to the scientology belief system is a HIGH CRIME and (horror of horrors!) a SUPPRESSIVE ACT.

    I could write all night on various small segments of the total scientology belief system that support the hurts, insanities, and cruelties that former members report they committed or were subjected to or both, but you can do this deconstruction exercise yourself -- or not, as you choose.

    You say:
    I have been a Scientologist for the past 15 years and have only become more human, loving and alive.

    I believe you. I commend you. But I would encourage you to take a really good look at how a well-meaning person such as yourself can (somewhat "unconsciously," and I mean you no disrespect in describing it that way) select out the "good" parts of the scientology belief system because they are a well-meaning person, leaving behind the "bad" parts of that belief system.

    I mean, ask yourself: If YOU were putting together a world-wide organization, would YOU create a section like the CMO and give that section and its members the power they had when DM was a teenage member of that section? would YOU recruit 8-year-old kids, take them away from their parents and train them up as "cadets" who at the age of 12 to 16 could then order around people who have the age, training, and life experience that you now have?

    In the "normal" world, children who exhibit the kind of characteristics we see in DM are yanked up at an early age and those characteristics are brought under control -- by the parents at first, hopefully by the child as he or she matures and learns some "social" skills, and ultimately by law enforcement if that doesn't work.

    In the "normal" world, DM left to his natural inclinations would likely be in jail now playing cards with Charles Manson.

    He's where he is because those who ascribe to the scientology belief system put him there and keep him there.