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Now for sale on Amazon: Marty's new book, Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by CommunicatorIC, May 28, 2013.

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  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Marty's new book, Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior, now for sale on Amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Scientology-Warrior-Marty-Rathbun/dp/1484805666

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    Kindle edition not yet available. My understanding, however, is that a Kindle edition will be available:

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/dont-read-this-book/#comment-266091
    Marty: Ten Reasons to Avoid ‘Scientology Warrior’
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/ten-reasons-to-avoid-scientology-warrior/

    Excerpts specifically selected for this forum:
     
  2. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

  3. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    No, Marty, you are not following "The Great Middle Path"

    One Good Reason To Read ‘Scientology Warrior’

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/one-good-reason-to-read-scientology-warrior/

    Sorry, Marty, no. "Rattling both ends of the extreme" is most assuredly not an "indicia of hitting the sweet spot." Increasingly in these modern times, it reflects the epistemologically and ethically relativistic view that truth and justice are a matter of compromise. That to be "fair and balanced" is to give equal credence to (as opposed to being willing to listen to and confront) both sides -- even if one side is verifiably and demonstrably evil, and/or verifiably and demonstrably false.

    The simple truth is that one side may attack you because what you say is verifiably and demonstrably false, and/or supportive (even if unintentionally) of evil. The other side may attack you because what you say is insufficiently false and/ or supportive of evil.

    Taking the "middle path" between truth and virtue, on the one hand, and falsehood and evil, on the other hand, is itself no virtue. It is, at best, a lesser form of evil and falsehood. It is, at worst, something that camouflages evil and falsehood, or makes them appear more palatable,

    Your supposed "great middle path" has nothing to do with the Great Middle Path of Buddhism. To appropriate that term in support of a compromise between truth and falsehood, between virtue and evil, is insulting. This is perhaps not surprising given the Scientology and cult tactic of redefining words and terms.

    To put it plainly and to risk invoking Goodwin's law, one could not properly take the "great middle path" between the Nazis and German Jews in World War II. And one very much doubts Buddhists take a "great middle path" between China and their persecuted Tibetan Buddhist brethren. The Buddhists I've known did and do not take a "great middle path" between victims and their oppressors.

    So, Marty, no.

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  4. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

  5. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

  6. Vittorio

    Vittorio Patron Meritorious

    The extract was painful enough to read.

    Marty may change the window dressing but the core remains the same.
     
  7. Re: Marty's new book available on Kindle and free for Amazon Prime members

    I'm an Amazon Prime member, but they're going to have to do a lot better than that to get me to download it.

    I don't even see what the point of writing this book was, how many different ways can someone say Hubbard Good Miscavige Bad?
     
  8. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I got Marty's book and read it

    OK, I just finished reading Marty's new book. And although the temptation was great to jump on the band wagon of Marty-haters, I have to say.... I'm glad I bought it and read it and I DO recommend it!

    My first reaction, on reading the first few pages (a link was posted on-line) was that Marty was setting up the book to read like a script for an action adventure film starring Marty the conquering hero. I didn't like the way it was written, and said so on one of the threads. And it made me have doubts about investing the money and time to read the whole thing.

    But I bought it and read it, and there is some actual meat in the book.

    The first part deals mostly with Marty's early life and his failed but sincere attempts to help straighten out his psychotic brother, using Scientology. Then he deals with his early years in the cult and how his first wins (his certainty on going exterior, more than anything) cemented his belief in the "power of the Tech".

    But the really interesting stuff comes later in the book. He details quite a bit about all the legal cases and the lawyers, and the Gerry Armstrong case, etc., which some may find of use. That part is interesting but a little difficult to get through.

    If nothing else, though, the last few chapters have all the meat and I think are worth the price of the book. He writes a detailed verbatim interview he had several years ago with Sarge (Steve Pfauth), who lived with LRH for many years at Creston. There is some juicy stuff about LRH spending his last couple years in decrepit condition being harassed by BT's and his request for Sarge to build him a high-powered e-meter to blast the BT's and basically kill him. I really think EVERY true believer Scientologist should have this information. They deserve to know how their hero checked out this lifetime, with no intentions of "coming back'.

    In the final chapter he comes round to admitting that LRH was a combination of genius and flaws. And why Scientology, in its official form, as created by LRH, does not result in super-humans with super powers, and why. And on this, I have to agree with him.

    So all in all, I'm glad I got the book, and I'm glad I read it. I'd love to hear from anyone who has read it.

    I'll post some more details later if anyone is interested.
     
  9. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Thank's for the review.
    It looks an honest review.:thumbsup:
     
  10. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    In case you didn't "get it" by Book III,
    Book IV will handle all your questions.

    martyrathbun09 June 2, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    There’s a lot of truth to what you are saying here. A lot
    of this theme is covered in my next book, which treats
    integration, evolution and transcendence in greater depth.


    :coolwink:

    Well, Ron complained that modern universities graduated philosophers
    that couldn't philosophize. Well, it seems like that scientology does
    create philosophers that can and do philosophize endlessly. You got
    your wish.
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    Last edited: Jun 3, 2013
  11. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    LOL!

    And too much philosophizing, per my thinking, leads to insanity. Trying to explain it all, sort it all out, fix everything that is wrong... leads to not a good end. Like Hubbard, who ended up "just as good as" any wog in old age - decrepit, senile, muttering about demons, still trying to "fix" things.

    I tend to think that anyone who buys the BT theory of existence, may end up the same. It's just a recipe for paranoia. My 2 cents.
     
  12. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm surprised at the lack of interest in this thread. Thought I'd find at least one other member who read Marty's book and wanted to comment, but I guess I'm all alone here..... [sound of crickets.....] LOL!
     
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Marty is sooooo 2011.

    He paid dearly for putting all his stock in Debbie Cook. :duh:
     
  14. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    How? Why? I don't see how the Debbie Cook situation had anything to do with Matty's popularity or the popularity of his books.
     
  15. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Debbie didn't know about Marty's fundraising until I told her. Weird.
     
  16. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Oh I'm just engaging in a little hyperbole. It does seem to me that he had high hopes that Debbie's coming out would benefit himself more. I think that he wanted her to join himself and Mike Rinder's little "Moving On Up A Little Higher" gang. But she made a deal with DM, so it didn't pan out. IMO he's been fading away steadily in the public's eye ever since. But that just may be my perception.....or dub-in. :biggrin:
     
  17. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think you may be right.

    Probably the only thing that could put Marty back in the spotlight is if someone like Tom Cruise defected and turned up on his old auditor's doorstep. But that ain't gonna happen. Marty was the "power NEXT to the big power" and that's where he derived all his influence. He needs another "big power" to align with him, or he will slowly and surely fade away. By himself, he is just a very minor cult figure. He has a few loyal followers, but even they are getting a little tired, judging by the comments section on his blog.

    I would LOVE to know some stats, like how many books has he actually sold? Who are his buyers? (Besides me, LOL!) And has he sold more of Book 3 than Book 2 and Book 1? Or is it dwindling numbers each time? That information would be very telling.
     
  18. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    The other thing that would put Marty back in the spotlight is if he finally wrote the tell-all book, and gave tell-all interviews, coming completely clean and telling all he knows. I doubt that will happen because of his possible criminal and/or civil liability.

    Even that at first might appear to be a one shot deal, but if it is he would probably make enough on his book to comfortably retire -- assuming no costs re: potential criminal and civil liability. And it might not be that one shot. If he did what I suggest, he would again be the "go to" interview every time the Church of Scientology was in the news.

    Short of that, yeah, he's fading. He has and will probably always have a core group of followers who need a new guru, a new leader. But leaving them aside, his tech and philosophical musings aren't of interest to many people.

    Marty's value in the world outside of Scientology and Independent Scientology has always been his knowledge of the recent history of the COS that few people possess, and fewer (if any) are willing to disclose. It appears he has slowly disclosed all that he is comfortable disclosing in that regard. Thus, his lower profile and lesser value.
     
  19. "When someone asks, "so who is this Marty guy?" ....

    All you have to say is "He's the one walking around with a fork stuck in him"

    His fifteen minutes came and gone.

    Basically he's now the Joe The Plumber of Scientology
     
  20. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    to be honest I am not surprised at the lack of interest on here concerning Marty's book. There are several reasons I think:

    1) Marty does not write very well. And he does not seem to be getting better which means he is not learning so while he could skate on that with his first efforts by this point he really should have learned. But to learn you really need a good teacher and coach and editor and you need to know you need to be taught. Part of the problem is, of course, that most Scientologists think they already know everything. Hubbard found everything that was needed - slear some misunderstoods, read a couple of articles, add water - instant expert.

    2) He does not have much to say that is worth listening to. It really is a case of familiarity breeding contempt. The more Marty has pushed himself out on to the public stage the "less" he looks. When people were concerned about him and the speculation was around about what he could say - there was really no way for him to measure up. He was always going to be smaller than the shadow he cast. Although this reads like a slam at Marty but I'm not trying to beat up on him. Just trying to explain why I am not interested in buying his book.

    In fact there hasn't been one book of this genre that I have been really interested in - John Duignans was probably the one that caught my interest the most mostly because I think John brings some writing talent and some good insight.