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Patient falls to death while in care of Narconon in Italy (re Scientology rehab)

Discussion in 'Narconon, Drug Free World, and Other Anti-drug Fro' started by CommunicatorIC, Aug 20, 2014.

  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Patient falls to death while in care of Narconon in Italy (re Scientology rehab).

    Google translation from Italian to English. Any superior translations would be appreciated.

    Il Mattino: Tragedy in lane | 22 year old Neapolitan escapes to the doctors and is thrown from hospital window
    http://www.ilmattino.it/PRIMOPIANO/...rzo-piano-ospedale-muore/notizie/855241.shtml
     
  2. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Bing translation from Italian to English.
     
  3. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Coming up with some great stuff CommunicatorIC! :yes:

    Hope Narconon Italy gets nailed to the wall over this.

    May the young man RIP.

    :rose:
     
  4. RodKeller8008

    RodKeller8008 Patron

    narconon-gabbiano-drug-rehab.jpg

    This is the facility, but the death happened elsewhere, if I read the Italian correctly.
     
  5. Dean Blair

    Dean Blair Silver Meritorious Patron

    This is terrible. Ryan Hamilton the American attorney who is suing Scientology and Narconon currently has 19 ongoing cases. He may go international with this tragedy. Scientology and its drug program Narconon is too dangerous to be allowed to continue.
     
  6. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

  7. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Until I see a good translation, it's really hard to know what happened there.
     
  8. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Here is a revised translation.

    Translation of an Italian article posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 on the website of the daily newspaper Il Mattino:
    Tragedia in corsia | 22enne napoletano sfugge ai medici e si butta dalla finestra dell'ospedale
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2014
  9. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    What's odd is how the story is relayed, like the Narconon official did everything perfectly "according to procedure." I mean the guy is a freaking saint not making one single mistake in his sincere efforts to help this young addict, who's troubled past has led him to such desperate actions! (Also, a GUEST at Narconon? GUEST?? I think high-paying customer is more accurate, or his parents were the high paying customers and the guy wasn't going of his own freewill to Narconon's quack facilities.)

    I also want the part where the guy demanded the up front large amount of money before they would even touch this poor guy with a 10 foot pole, much less escort him around town to real medical facilities which we know the cult doesn't believe in. They make it out like the Narconon official was with this guy out of the goodness of his heart as opposed to being paid cold hard cash to be a "treatment official."

    The fact the faultlessness of the Narconon guy is so pushed makes me think the reporter definitely got a lot of his info from the cult, or the cult's version of it. The reality of what happened is probably very different. I think there's more spin in that story than in a washing machine cycle.
     
  10. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    I would like to know why the guy was going into withdrawl.
    Did he just decide to stop cold turkey?
    Did NN tell him he had to stop taking his drugs cold turkey.
    Not having proper surpervised withdrawl has happened in other NN centres and is possibly just "standard" procedure with them. It has also lead to crisis in other NN centres, and possibly deaths. I cannot remember specific cases, but I am pretty sure it has happened.

    Because of NNs record of unsafe practices, lack of proper practices and personnel, dangers including death, and lying and covering these things, their story should be investigated with a fine tooth comb.
     
  11. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Here is the comment on Tony's blog:
     
  12. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Note: In Italy "118" the number to summon an ambulance, and roughly the equivalent of 911 in the U.S.

    It appears the following article is saying the Narconon employees did not call "118" to summon an ambulance -- i.e., they did not call the Italian equivalent of 911 to summon help.

    Google translation from Italian to English:

    Galatina: "There was no call Narconon at 118"
    http://www.galatina.it/non-ci-fu-nessuna-chiamata-dal-narconon-al-118
    Bing translation from Italian to English:
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2014
  13. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, the only time you see Narconon referencing actual medical terms and treatment is when the shit has hit the fan. They don't believe in what scientific and medical research has discovered about drug addiction and treatments - they believe in TONE 40, yelling at ashtrays, OD'ing on niacin, vitamins, saunas and that all drugs are all stored in your body until you do the purif. The only reason you some Narconon's having ANY type of real medical presence in their facilities is due to it being legal required to in some places or being held legal liable if they don't - and even then we've seen they try to bend the rules and try to get away with rubber stamping and faking real medically qualified people at their facilities.
     

  14. "According to accounts of what happened, the first action taken was to call the emergency services number 118, but the operator insisted that an ambulance could not be dispatched for this and that the Narconon employees should drive the young man directly to Lecce."

    I have been reading some things online this morning and apparently this is not true. The head of the 118 emergency services, Maurizio Scardia, has stated that there were no calls received by the 118 emergency service from the Narconon centre asking for an ambulance.
     
  15. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    I posted this above, but will repost it to confirm what you said:

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    Note: In Italy "118" the number to summon an ambulance, and roughly the equivalent of 911 in the U.S.

    It appears the following article is saying the Narconon employees did not call "118" to summon an ambulance -- i.e., they did not call the Italian equivalent of 911 to summon help.

    Google translation from Italian to English:

    Galatina: "There was no call Narconon at 118"
    http://www.galatina.it/non-ci-fu-nessuna-chiamata-dal-narconon-al-118
    Bing translation from Italian to English:
     
  16. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    New story.

    Google translation from Italian to English:

    Leggo: LECCE, 22, COMMITTED SUICIDE IN HOSPITAL, FOUR HOURS OF AN ORDEAL FOR HOSPITALIZATION: AN INVESTIGATION
    http://www.leggo.it/NEWS/ITALIA/indagine_sul_22enne_suicida_ospedale_galatina/notizie/856768.shtml
     
  17. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Here is a revised translation.

    Translation of an Italian article posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 on the website of the daily newspaper Il Mattino:
    Lecce. 22enne napoletano suicida in ospedale, quattro ore di calvario per un ricovero: aperta un'inchiesta
     
  18. I have translated that article. Here it is:

    GALATINA-less than 24 hours after the tragedy there is an internal investigation of the Asl to clarify the suicide of the 22-year-old Neapolitan Luca Izzo. But already yesterday morning an inquest has been opened by Commissioner of Galatina for the public minister, Giuseppe Capoccia. In the report, the facts have been reported, testimonies and evaluation of the spot where the boy took his life, at the hospital Santa Catarina Novella, in Galatina.




    The young man had arrived in the Salento Tuesday morning at the Centre of Narconon detoxification "Il Gabbiano" of Torre dell'Orso, Marina di Melendugno to free himself from drug dependence, but in the afternoon of the same day, however, took his life by jumping from the fourth floor of the hospital "Santa Caterina" Novella of Galatina, waiting for a hospital bed that was not available.


    And now, the ASL is trying to shed light on the dynamics and facts to ascertain any liability, if there are any, on the part of the hospital staff, at various levels. Investigations are ongoing with the Asl, but is not exclude that even the Prosecutor may open in the next few hours an investigation, partly because the family are not simply resigning to the fact that their son's body is being returned to them.


    The boy, during the last day of his life, attempted suicide twice: once inside the Narconon Center, and a second time in the emergency room of the hospital "Vito Fazzi" of Lecce. Around noon on Tuesday, having just arrived in the Centre, he had shown severe shaking due to a withdrawal. He was agitated to the point of hitting his head against the wall.


    Three operators of Narconon got him into a car and he was taken to the emergency room of the Fazzi hospital. Here he was kept in observation for three hours, sedated and underwent a psychiatric examination. The psychiatrist who visited him had not considered, however, that obligitory treatment was necessary and the boy was administered drugs that subdued the effects of withdrawal symptoms from Narcotics, and then the boy signed a volontary dimission document.


    But it lasted only a short time. Half an hour later, the operators brought Luca to the emergency room of Fazzi hospital again because, with a pair of scissors, taken from who knows where, he had attempted to cut his veins. At that point, the psychiatrist was called to the emergency room for a consultation. The boy was explained about the opportunities of hospitalization: A pity, though, that in the psychiatric ward of the Fazzi there was no room available. A phone call to the Department of Psychiatry of Galatina was made and here a free bed was found. But how to get there? There was no ambulance available and so the Narconon operators had no choice: back in to their car to get to the hospital Galatinese.


    It was now late afternoon, around 18. The Narconon operators brought the boy directly to the ward but he could not be taken in because beforehand he had to be admitted through the emergency room. This was fatal for Luca. One of the operators went to the emergency room for the formalities while the other two operators and the young boy waited outside the hospital. It was now almost 18.30 and after over four hours of suffering, the boy bent over, took off his shoes and started running towards his death, chased by the operators. The boy climbed a fire escape staircase to the fourth floor, and when the operators were just a meter away from him, he threw himself off the building: an Angel and a young life gone. Leaving all around him sorrow, dismay, and many questions to be answered.
     
  19. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    I can imagine Narconon's response: "Once we realized Luca was beyond the point of what we could deal with, we attempted to transfer him to a more suitable facility but the only place that was available for him was at a distant hospital where they were unable to admit him quickly enough to save his life."

    Just sayin'

    Helena
     


  20. I'm just going on what the newspapers say so far.

    However, there are already some interesting facts. This poor individual, Luca Izzo, was quite obviously in a desperate state when he entered Narconon. This, firstly, did not discourage Narconon from not accepting him and, as we all know, the thousands of euros that have to be paid up front had already been cashed by Narconon.

    Secondly, when Luca arrived, he was in a suicidal state and this is where it shows how little Narconon know about treating and curing their patients. Even Narconon realized that they could do nothing...and where did they bring him? To the psychiatric ward of the local hospital!

    From what I have read, it will probably be difficult to blame Narconon for Luca's suicide, as he had just arrived that very same day at the centre, but it certainly leaves the question "Do Narconon know anything about serious cases of drug withdrawal" and the answer to that is "NO".

    Probably, if Luca had been put in a proper institute for drug treatment, he might not have been cured, but he would still be alive today.