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Discussion in 'Legal and Government Actions Involving Scientology' started by Free to shine, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    Yeah, kinda like what I experienced in Scientology during my first minute of study, upon reading the 4th word.

    Dianetics The Modern Science.............

    I didn't wake up from the coma until decades later.

    Don't remember a thing, but there may be a clue in a recurring dream I have about uniformed sadists with clipboards and graphs.
  2. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    This whole thing is a sad debacle. I think Mah-T's plan all along was a huge cash payout instead of real justice.

    I believe Debbie Cook was still a tech believer when her stink went down but Marty's out. Once out that's when your integrity shows.

    Debbie Cook might've justified her pay off with protecting Ron and Scientology.

    With this attorney action it most definitely means Mosey's case would've won. This victory could've started the dominos falling.

    Rathbun is no Gerry Armstrong.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
  3. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    After some further thought I wasn't being quite fair to you Knows. The poster on The Bunker this morning was truly ridiculous because she was saying that "her lawyer son said that blah, blah, blah....", and then kept repeating it several times.

    What bugs me about the assertion is that it suggests that Ray Jeffrey is unethical to the point of going along with this type of charade. I just know that he is not. Neither are the other attorneys who worked with him. These attorneys who represented Mosey are stellar people and represent their profession well.

    That's all.

    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
  4. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    :biggrin: Yup. Some good stories! :coolwink:

    Some people like puzzles and brain twisters, I guess. Finding patterns is fun, especially to catch a crook. Numbers are black and white, they have a certainty to them. They either add up or they don't and I liked that, it wasn't emotionally draining. It's the interpretation of those numbers that make it creative, knowing the rules of the interpretations and seeing the mental workings of the person being audited. Did you know 3 out of 4 IRS auditors make mistakes? :yes:

    I agree. Getting the docs out of Marty is going to be more tedious than an audit. Bear in mind, though, that any accountant he hires isn't going to agree with partial release of documents he hasn't verified, so Marty will have trouble getting good accounting help. Nobody wants to lose their licenses over fraud for some nobody jerk. Marty is pretty much on his own. There will be mistakes. It may just be a warning, but he should be pretty scared about what an audit might reveal. :giggle:
    There is a lot of talent, education and skill within the scn watchers, anons and ex network. Marty made a lot of enemies. I'm sure there's a small army of people who'd like to see him exposed and are willing to help bring that about. :coolwink: He's probably making preparations now to hide on a ship or in a motor home...:laugh:
  5. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I know. When I did the Comm Course I got stuck on a word chain over M.E.S.T. going back and forth between Matter, Energy, Space and Time in the Technical Dictionary for several days until I finally figured out what LRH was trying to say was the physical universe was essentially a congealed mass of what is left over when a whole lot of thetans mock something up and then forget about it for a very long time.

    Of course, later TOBB discovers The Factors...DOH!
  6. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    I don't know very much about law or accounting, so I'll have to rely
    on all you guys/gals on the board to slice and dice this matter. Thanks!
    All I know is how to create silly shoops. :shrug:


  7. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Ray Jay: Hey Marty....

    [​IMG] Ruemble!!!!!!
  8. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    "Preparing the ground..." :p
  9. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Off topic, but when I watched My Scn Movie on Netflix with subtitles, there was a sentence that was transcribed with the term "messed universe" in the subtitles, LOL!

    Messed Universe indeed!
  10. rickybobby

    rickybobby Hostess of the Internet

    I doubt if Marty sought professional advice on how to structure any payout and doubt that he is sophisticated enough to come up with and execute the pension idea. I don't see the Co$ as having any motivation to assist Marty in this way, either. They will only offer what is in THEIR own self interest, and offering him a "pension" isn't in their best interest. Remember- this isn't a regular guy, this is the same man who believes he is clever enough to act as his own attorney. It's not a stretch to think he was going it alone here.

    There is also the possibility that Jeffrey is laying the groundwork to sue the Co$ if a payment has been made. I'm also willing to bet there is some personal motivation, as well. Jeffrey may be willing to put resources into this because he is pissed off. He went through some personal fair gaming by Co$ as a result of representing Marty and then got summarily dismissed with accusations of malpractice. I'm willing to bet this is about more than money.
  11. HelluvaHoax!

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    I think your graphic may have triggered something in my reactive brain. Therefore, be forewarned that characters' normally modest dialogue may suddenly erupt in compulsive rants, shore-itsa & acceptable-scieno-spew.

    It appears, Mr. Rathbun, that the DMV reflects that you
    purchased a Ferrari 458 for $419,500. Let the record reflect
    that the car appears unencumbered. Can you confirm that
    you purchased this car for cash?

    I am not sure if I remember the details
    of that purchase.

    But you did purchase that vehicle, am I correct?

    Yes, to the best of my recollection, I may have.

    Well perhaps this will refresh your recollection.
    Enter exhibit #131 into the record. Is this not
    a photograph of you parking your Ferrari in
    the parking garage of this building one hour

    Well, that appears to be me. I haven't had an
    eye exam recently, so I wish to stipulate that
    I do not have perfect vision and may be incorrect
    in identifying the driver of that vehicle.

    So stipulated. And the set of keys next to your
    water glass that you set down when we began this
    deposition--there is a Ferrari key on that keychain.
    Is that your Ferrari ignition key?

    It is possible that that is a trunk key. I am not a
    certified Ferrari technician so I can't testify with
    certainty if that key is for the ignition or the trunk.

    Assuming for a moment that the red Ferrari was caught on
    surveillance footage, clearly showing you entering the
    parking garage, parking the Ferrari and exiting the Ferrari
    52 minutes ago--how exactly would you have come into
    possession of and purchased that vehicle?

    Well if that even is my vehicle, I would have to speculate
    that I may have purchased it with money,
    nothing unusual about that.

    Where did you get the money. Where did you
    suddenly get $419,500?

    Well I must have earned that money.

    How did you do that. You purchased the car, per
    the Ferrari dealership, at 7:58 pm on Sunday,
    April the 9th. Where would you get that much
    cash out of nowhere?

    Well, Sundays I sometimes sell things at the
    local flea market. Customers tend to pay cash.

    You are testifying under oath that you made
    $419,500 in cash sales at a flea market in one
    day? How is that even possible?

    Well, it appears that I had a very good day of sales.

    I'd like to enter a video of Mr. Rathbun
    into the record that was recorded by a private investigator,
    following Mr. Rathbun for the entire 94 minutes he was
    doing sales at the flea market on April 9. Mr. Rathbun,
    you have already seen the PI's declaration which stated
    that you were selling used bric-a-brac that ranged in price
    from 35 cents to 4 dollars. Is that correct?

    Generally, I would say that could be correct, yes.

    And is it your testimony that you sold $419,500 worth
    of objects that were each under 5 dollars?

    Well, you're missing the bigger picture. Whatever
    I earned in cash that afternoon at the flea market
    could have been parlayed into a vastly greater sum
    that afternoon, if I went to the local casino.

    Are you testifying that you parlayed your morning flea market
    sales into $419,500 cash by gambling the same afternoon
    and then you went into the dealership that same evening
    and purchased the Ferrari? Are you testifying under oath
    and under penalty of perjury that this is true?

    Yes, according to my religious beliefs this is true.

    I fail to see how religious beliefs enter into it--
    perhaps you can enlighten us?

    Sure! It's true for me. Therefore it's true.

    So, by your logic if the judge in this lawsuit were
    to think that you are lying about where you got
    the money--if the judge thought it was true for him
    that you are lying, then it would be true you are lying.

    No that only works for Scientologists. If the judge
    thought I was lying then he would be a religious bigot
    and member of the Anti-Scientology-Cult.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2017
  12. The Church did put Marty through a fair amount of Chinese water torture so to speak.
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

  14. ChurchOfCylontology

    ChurchOfCylontology Patron with Honors

    HelluvaHoax - I'd heard rumors that Ratty went out and bought an expensive car after he first started to turncoat. I thought it was a rumor, and I know you have a great sense of humor.....but, is there anything to that rumor?

    Also, Marty is NOT bright enough to know what the difference between a defined benefit pension or a defined contribution pension, but I suspect this is SOP for the cult when they make settlements and want to extricate themselves from any indemnification liability in any legal action. I suspect they did this with Debbie Cook (her settlement was not very sizable and last I recall, she's still traveling the world with her husband), Tommy Davis, and others of similar status that blew never to be heard from again.

    Marty is a professional liar and a legal moron. He likely thinks that he can fake his financial documents in crayon and he'll never be put to the test. I love forensic accountants, but they can be expensive although very helpful when one party is hiding assets. If I were in Texas, and I was a forensic accountant I'd offer up my services for free. Heck, even if I had a license to practice law in Texas and I lived there, I'd help out Ray for free.
  15. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Yes, HH, inquiring minds want to know. What about this? :whistling:
    Fake news? :shrug:
  16. HelluvaHoax!

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    I think you are seriously asking me that, right?

    The "MRRD"[SUP]1[/SUP] graphic series has attained a sort of legendary meme status on ESMB, lol.

    I wish I was skilled enough to render such hilarious shoops--but all credit for that series goes to the brilliant underground artist ILove2Lurk.

    [SUP]1[/SUP]MRRD: Marty Rathbun Ridin' Dirty: Based on the phenomena of paranoid thugs cruising in vehicles that are "dirty", meaning loaded with felonious contraband (drugs, guns, et al) that can get them instantly busted by cops on the prowl. In Rathbun's urban legend, the car itself (typically a red exotic sports car like a Ferrari) is "dirty" as he paid for it by ripping off his attorneys in a secret settlement deal with the COS--thereby illegally burning his legal team and depriving them of their well-earned multimillion dollar fees.

    Hey Moms & Dads & Kids--sing along!

  17. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    This missive by Ray reminds me of the previous two cases Ray won - Debbie's and the spies - he plopped the case on Tony's blog and in the media - and the C of S paid to make it go away. Yes, he didn't leak it to Tony this time, but now that it out in the open, the church may be motivated to make it go away before any more bad PR ensues.

  18. HelluvaHoax!

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    Marty, he be ridin' dirty.

    Lisbeth, she be shoopin' dirty.

    Get offa me! I ain't dun nuffin!!!

    (well, maybe positin' dirty---jus' a lil bit....LOL)
  19. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander


    This is the original post that pissed a lot of people off and created a veritable uproar and debate for days
    in Feb 2016 about whether this was a real photo. I think it was the beginning of the Marty "new car" rumor.

    Now whether it's real or not . . . I don't want to get involved in that debate again as too many people
    got pissed off the first time. The image was emailed to me by a friend down around Ingleside by the
    , Marty's new home, as I said in my original posting.

    Just consider the source. :coolwink: