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Ryan Hogarth, former Church of Scientology President, Declared Suppressive

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by CommunicatorIC, Dec 9, 2013.

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  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Mike: Ryan Hogarth Steps Forward

    Original post on South African website Scientologists getting back in comm:

    Ryan Hogarth, former Church President, Declared Suppressive!

    Very powerful. Read it all.

  2. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Another quick excerpt on the effect of Marty and Mike leaving:

  3. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Ryan Hogarth sounds like a very sharp cookie. The vid of him portrays him as a smart, even-tempered, likable guy.

    I think he'll be just fine.

    Quite tickled to hear those guys are out of the cult.

    Their lives are going to be getting better every day for a long time to come.

  4. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yes. I'd also note that Ryan was one of the most dedicated scientologists I ever met. When they're losing guys like that, the end is nigh.
    The Back In Comm guys and gals are doing an amazing job of it, IMO. :thumbsup:
  5. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Ryan Hogarth

    It is well worth taking the time to read his blog, it made me cry.

    Ryan Hogarth:
    for the next 6 years I was an active and frequent spokesperson for the church. Over time this morphed into being the national spokesperson although this was never official but no one else would or could speak to the media. In those 6 years I appeared on local, regional and national television, radio and print media. I actually developed working relationships with some journalists, relationships which I have maintained to this day.


  6. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: South Africa

    Can someone link info about Hubbard fleeing Rhodesia (1970's) because he tried to over throw the government ?
  7. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    Re: South Africa

    I'm not sure L Ron Hubbard made much of an effort to over throw the government. From accounts I have read, his aim was to ingratiate himself to authorities and wheedle his way into a position where the Smith Regime would see him as a friend and ally worthy of its protection. Surprise, surprise, L Ron Hubbard's ARC didn't quite work out and, before long . . .

    ^^^ I love that while in Southern Rhodesia, L Ron Hubbard was officially an "alien" ; )

    Paulette Cooper's research indicates L Ron Hubbard had spied Southern Rhodesia as a likely environment for the expansion of his fraud. Quoting press at the time in "The Scandal of Scientology", Paulette wrote:

    John McMaster, briefly L Ron Hubbard's right-hand-man and the second person publicly celebrated for having "gone Clear", presents a more prosaic reason for why things didn't work out in Southern Rhodesia. Basically, L Ron Hubbard was perceived as a crass, showboating and dishonest gangster oaf splashing about with dodgy money. From Stewart Lamont's "Religion Inc":

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  8. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Rhodesia

    > required to leave Rhodesia on or before July 18, 1966.
    Thanks for all the information Infinite; I could not remember if it was before "Operation Snow White" :thumbsup:
  9. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    This very long comment is heart-breaking

  10. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is why, despite all the good M&M are doing, a little voice in the back of my head keeps saying "they won't have redeemed themselves until they spill all they know about the McPherson case (and others)". I realize they may have a plan for revealing this in due time, but I can't help but also entertain the hypothesis that they will hide behind the Fifth if asked, and never reveal the truth.

    Time will tell.

    Yes the Hogarths were victims. So was Ernst Rohm. That didn't make him less of a bullying Nazi sack of shit.

    I don't think anyone gets as high as Ryan in the Co$ with clean hands. He didn't turn on the system until it turned on him.
  11. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Jane should now have a chance to find out what really happened behind the DSA facade. I hope she asks Ryan about what happened and gets some straight answers. In the meantime, I wouldn't venture to judge him based on what I know about this sad story.
  12. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    What is it that anyone thinks isn't known at this point about Lisa's death?

    After being driven to a mental breakdown following Scientology processing, she was imprisoned against her will, starved, dehydrated, denied medical care of any kind whatsoever, and died an awful death.

    During this sordid affair, the Church of Scientology Flag machinery came down on her like a ton of bricks. Miscavige oversaw the whole fucking thing.

    All her friends deserted her.

    Everyone concerned who might have helped her colluded to cause her death.

    After she died, the Scientology machinery worked in concert to cover up her death and to prevent the Scientology Flag organization's and Scientology's leaders and everyone else who caused her death to escape any responsibility (legal, ethical or otherwise).

    It was a travesty of a crime and a travesty of justice in so many ways.
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  13. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Re: South Africa

    LRH desperately wanted a "safe haven" from which he would not be extradited to UK or US. He tried to do that in Rhodesia, possibly thinking that its pariah status with respect to the US and UK would make them unwilling to cooperate with them.

    Unfortunately for Hubbard, all his years in Scn, mostly secluded from non-Scns, reduced his ability to successfully con people who didn't already hold him in awe.
  14. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's not about the death, though clearing up (hah!) some of the nagging mysteries might be nice. No, what I'm referring to is shedding light on the cover-up and DM's activity in same. That's going to self-incriminate some of the players, I have a feeling.
  15. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Re: South Africa

    There is a BC tape where LRH talks about having a safe space where all governnments would live and work in the same area. He suggest Tunisia as a neutral ground that would be separated, pie-like, with every country of the world represented. The theory was that you would not attack them because your own government would also be in the same geographical area.

    Course if you wanted to start over, it would be an easy pick-off, eh?
  16. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Re: South Africa

    It would also be the base of a "World Government", where existing nations would just be provinces, and would isolate the governments from any protests by their own people about their actions.
  17. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    I agree, and did not post the link to say - look what a bad guy he was.

    Rather - look what a mess this leaves for all concerned.

    All parties have my sympathy.
  18. Deeana

    Deeana Patron with Honors

    Holy Cherub (my new favorite saying) I posted on the S. African website and said they best look into the LRH background because the abuses didn't start with DM. Harrumph! Despite their Mission Statement claiming they want honesty and openness, my post was "moderated" - meaning deleted - and I was told that "haters" who "distain Scientology and LRH" cannot post there.

    Oh, and I had also posted a link to within my post. In reference to that, whoever wrote back to me said that people are "permitted" to read at Tony's website if they want to.

    I wrote back and told them I was sorry to offend, wished no ill to anyone and that the truth about LRH and documentation to back it up are out there and not going away.

    These poor people have a lot of unpleasant waking up coming in their future, don't they?
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  19. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    Yeah, as someone said, the South African site is one of those "Don't Say Xenu" pop up sites the Indie Dependents specialise in. I wonder, though, how much waking-up the principals have yet to do. There is one school of thought amongst the Indie Dependents that the "greater good" is being served by presenting a Non-OT Material / pro-L Ron Hubbard / pro-Tech stance is more likely to attract wavering cult members to look. That could be true but, unfortunately, it also attracts those who wish to profit by keeping Scientologists hooked-up to the hypno-cans. They have yet to realise within themselves that the last thing a person escaping Scientology needs is more Scientology. And then there's the whole "information gathering" aspect. By coralling escapees and pouring out the ARC, what information they bring tends to be shared first within their group and filtered for "entheta" before distribution to the wider anti-cult community. Frustrating. So, yeah, there is still some unpleasant waking-up for them, but I suspect many are already aware of more than they are saying but wish to KSW the "workable" bits and keep their personal secrets secret. The situation seems to me to be something of an accident waiting to happen.
  20. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I'm a relatively newly out, beginning for me to look was the debbie cook email,

    which is referenced on the South African, Scientology-Cult, Mike Rinder blog's.

    My first step out was trying to verify everything said on Marty's place last year. I had to differentiate if people's stories were true or not, or were they just SP's or wogs trying to take down the COS.

    And then when I verified that the people speaking out were indeed ex members, and I could compare their stories to my experiences,

    why my next step was to verify DM's alterations of the tech. This was a hard one to do because I was not highly trained in the auditing technology.

    and then I had to verify if the Independent movement composed of ex scientologists were not squirrels. Or altering the tech.

    and then, since I looked that far,

    why I then looked further into the ultimate natter site. ESMB.

    Although, during my research for 6 months, I did bump into this ESMB site, read a few posts, and turned off the thought that this place was a site to verify scientology since it was so natterful. LOL

    What got me to ultimately land here was finding the actual old timers from before my time of getting involved which was 1987. And my willingness at that point in time to examine actual criticalness but yet I found this site to show actual caring of others. Plus the more in depth stories told here vs the stories told on Marty's place.

    That was my path more or less. Not that I want anybody to care, but I thought to just state it. And it's interesting watching others now communicate with new blogs popping up in other Countries.

    Kind of ironic in that we ex-members were all involved in one degree or another in getting others involved in scientology, and now the numbers seem to be greater that ex members are involved in getting existing smaller amount of members out.

    It's a PR world per Hubbard. And hubbard was a master at PR before the internet.

    But, the major management members of recent times who are now ex members and by using the Press are creating out-PR for the DM COS.

    The inflow of new members has practically stopped, it's only a matter of getting the existing staff & members to utilize some critical thinking skills.

    Those underground have a definite purpose now to not create antagonism to existing members, but to get them somehow to look, to guestion things as being implemented by DM.