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Scientology in 2012: Mark Bunker and Mike Rinder

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Free to shine, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Scientology in 2012: Mark Bunker and Mike Rinder Give Us a Preview of Enturbulation To Come

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  2. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Excellent! :)
     
  3. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    jupi
     
  4. Idle Morgue

    Idle Morgue Gold Meritorious Patron

    there will be a huge PR effort to polish the image of L Ron Hubbard- DONE and FAILED and to make it clear that Scientology has realised its mistakes,I am not sure about that...too much blood on their hands and it is a twisted up ball of lies that NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SORT IT OUT! It is DEATH for the Church of Crimonology! dealt with those few "bad apples" who were responsible, is suitably contrite, and promises to never do it again. Google details of the previous transition from the Guardians Office to Office of Special Affairs for the template
     
  5. Polish the image of L Ron Hubbard?

    There isn't enough lipstick on the planet to slap on that pig to make him look credible.

    They still haven't come to terms with the reality that it's too late to try and sell Scientology as anything more than a source of entertainment in the form of an internet freak show.

    Trying to make L. Ron Hubbard look credible is about as daunting of a challenge as trying to make Bumfights look like a MENSA conference
     
  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

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    The new breed of Scientologist is going to need to be someone who can watch a video such as this and not have the slightest urge to besmirch the "good name" or "image" of L. Ron Hubbard.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cwT-nmpZJg&feature=related

    And, right before our very eyes :ohmy: over at MartyWorld and in other places, including MiscavigeWorld, the "good name" and "image" of L. Ron Hubbard are of great importance.

    Don't underestimate Scientology's Sneakiness and Manipulation Tech, or capacity to fight wars of attrition.

    Some background:

    "With all the chatter about L. Ron Hubbard's alleged shortcomings, it got me thinking about what the effect of the unprecedented ad hominem attacks against the man were. Hubbard was demonized by the cold war establishment perhaps more than any other civilian figure. One cumulative effect of it all was to one degree or another de-humanize him in the public eye. We see remnants of those effects to this day. Tony Ortega has even come to the conclusion that my mission - and the mission of many independents - is made hopeless by this historical landscape. The landscape is not easy to conceptualize given its long lived nature and Miscavige's daily efforts to make the myths a reality. Providing context to the entire picture is a long term project that I never lose sight of, but unfortunately I have not found the time to devote to it that it deserves."

    Marty Rathbun, from his Blog, September 30, 2011


    I assume that the Cold War establishment includes not only the USA Cold War establishment, but also the Cold War establishment of the, then, Soviet Union.

    As far as I can decipher this at this time, this appears to be an attempt to compartmentalize the "besmirching of L. Ron Hubbard's good name" to a period concurrent with the Cold War (1946 -1991 or so). The USA establishment didn't change in the early 1990s, but the Russian establishment did with the fall of the Soviet Union.

    How does this make sense? Or is it just another public opinion manipulation ploy?

    As for the attempts to "de-humanize" Hubbard in the public mind, an early attempt is described by Hubbard in his confidential issue, "Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' of 2 December 1969. It describes events of 1950:

    "The objective of the enemy is to discredit...

    "Their first blast was the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) 'divorce' actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Cal Tech), Gene Benton and his wife - president of the Young Communists League...

    "This was a full war against Dianetics..."

    Note: all the above parentheses are from the original.

    And regarding the same time period...

    From a 1977 recorded message, 'Can we Ever Be Friends?':

    "Possibly any trouble Dianetics or Scientology ever had began on May 9, 1950 when the U.S government, excited by the possibility of Hubbard's work, sought to force him into classified government service.

    "In Washington, they told him they wanted him to work on projects to make people more suggestible. When he declined they threatened and, typically, he refused to bow.

    "And the war between the government and Scientology was on."

    There's another version of this from the 1978 edition of 'What is Scientology?'. It ends with:

    "The government never forgave him for this and soon began vicious, covert international attacks on his work. "

    The above two accounts, re. the U.S. government, were taken from a recorded lecture from the 1950s.



    Marty's Factor #11:

    "Miscavige has run a continuous propaganda campaign attempting to besmirch the good name of L. Ron Hubbard. He has continually given little interest or funds for defending public relations attacks on L. Ron Hubbard."

    Marty&Mike and other Independent Scientologists are doing an, apparently, self-assigned PR action for the religion-angled, religion-cloaked, cult of Hubbard, which, ultimately, includes both the CofS Scientology and outside the CofS Scientology, a.k.a. "Greater Scientology."

    "Greater Scientology" - currently having a very visible PR feud - has finally found an effective "button" to push with which to apply the following "LRH datum." That button is the "Church" of Scientology as run by David Miscavige:

    "The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly considered evils [Miscavige, and Miscavology, which is to be regarded as 'Reverse Scientology']. This declassifies us from former labels [Unpopular nutty cultists]..."

    Confidential 'Black Propaganda' 12 January 1972


    The corporate Hubbard cult, best known as the "Church of Scientology," isn't going to go away any time soon, however, Miscavige will eventually go away, one way or another. When that happens, the "Wogs" (so the idea goes) will have been softened up by the application of the above LRH Propaganda Tech "datum."

    Time will tell. :)