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Snow White Redux . . . a smoking derringer?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by ILove2Lurk, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yes. Herbie had a pretty signature, and clear. I vaguely remember that H G Parkhouse sig, too.

    But Gogerly! That could be it! :thumbsup: The last name didn't make sense (and made us giggle trying to read it and we would have never thought Gogerly was a real name, so that would cause a big giggle. What an unusual surname!) and it was someone we'd never heard about.

    Next mystery is how/when/why did GOWW have international signature over strictly org accounts. :hmm: Maybe they always did. We thought only ED Int and L Ron could do that from Int level, though. That's what policy said, anyway.

    Every week at staff muster, the C/O AOLA displayed the GI and Comps, the FBO AOLA displayed payments to SOR, and the AG-F AOLA displayed his graphs and one of them was AOLA Reserves. It was a straight line, never anything going in or out, and that line was about $38 million USD or so until it was transferred into the USGO and out again. Whoosh! Gone.

    Same happened at ASHO and FSO. FSO didn't put it through USGO, though.
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2017
  2. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Denzil Gogerly. Peruvian, I believe. Nice guy, unlike Herbie. :)

    Ernest Denzil S Gogerly, I see after googling him. Died 1984. I met him a few times when I worked in Treasury AOSHUK. I interacted more with his wife Cathy, who worked as a Letter Reg typist (after leaving the GO) at the same time I was a Letter Reg.

  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks, Paul. RIP Denzil Gogerly. :heartflower:

    By any chance do you know what year Herbie Parkhouse was taken off post?
  4. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    From memory Jane, Herbie, David Gaiman etc all got removed around the same time. 1982? GOWW limped on for several months with Klaus Buchele as Guardian WW but it seemed to have been gutted.

    That is all from memory. I'm sure Google would give more precise info.

  5. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I completed FEBC in 1982 and was posted as ED for
    about 2 weeks London day. David Gaimen and Herbie
    had to do some amends by boosting London day div 6.

    It was a sort of highlight of my day to meet with them.
    I too wanted to boost div 6. At the time the whole 0rg
    was dispirited. I've never seen a more dismal bunch of
    people.David and Herbie at least had some
    good ideas and knowledge. Some I implemented.

    However I was subject to upper orgs demands for
    better stats as my working life and Missionaires
    whose goal seemed to be nullify me. I decided I
    didn't want to live that way and soon after left.
    I was ED for a week and then bait and badger.
    Didn't work for me except in a negative way.

    As a new ED I should have been doing non-existence.
    However knowing nothing of current sits or potential
    sources of stats I was expected to get stats up
    right now. Of course I had no idea how to do that.
    7 vols of green on white and a year of study dosn't
    substitute for local knowledge.

    A friend also on that FEBC evolution was told at
    LA that 60%of those studying FEBC blew.
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Janis, are you familiar with the hat pack for the GO as depicted here?

    as well as all the references and links?

    This HCO Pl is 1966, just after 1965 KSW, and of course Hubbard blew from St Hill during that time to create the Sea Org, if I got it right?

    I'm only asking because I know how Hubbard compartmentalized everything, and just curious.
  7. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

  8. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron


    Glad you and Janis are having a good chat.

    Regarding $ transfers

    HCO PL 1 march 1966 Office of LRH GUARDIAN

    4 th paragraph in the POWERS section states:
    The Guardian may transfer any organization's funds anywhere at will. ..... "

    too be clear there is much more following in that 4th paragraph.
  9. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks dchoice.

    In future, please have the courtesy of asking me before cross posting my posts to other sites. I'm not hard to reach by PM. Different sites have different publics. Not only are posts with heavy scn jargon or detailed names and mgmt positions inappropriate for some sites, but if there is a conflict, I'd prefer resolving it by PM with those involved than being told I am accusing others of lying or that I am personally lying or being publicly held as unreliable when I am pretty darn reliable with the facts and stories I present. My memory is far from perfect, but I do pretty well considering how many years ago all this happened. Like most of us, I left with no documents. All my things were pawed through by the RPF before I could leave.

    I'm not infallible, nor is anyone else. Scientology lies, Scientologists lie, but I do my very best to tell things as accurately and with as much detail as possible.
  10. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    Hi, Girls. Do either of you remember a GO OP called APRiL? ( Alliance for Religious Liberty, referred to as "Alliance for Religious Lunatics" by us J&Ders)?
    Do you remember Ralph ( "Ziggy") Woods?
  11. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I don't think I met Ziggy, but there was an April Huff in the GO. Would that be her?
  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Fair enough Sheila, I apologize for any harm caused.
    I suppose it should be kept in mind that although our postings are often directed to a specific issue and person we are using a public forum where just about anyone can read it.
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks, no worries. I liked chatting with Janis. Some of the other reactions (some on and some off the forums) weren't too nice, though. It's hard to tell a real life story on a forum, it always involves other people and if any part of your memory isn't accurate, it's bound to upset someone and then there's always that person or two in everyone's life who just wait around for an excuse to pounce on anything you do 'cause that's how they're made.

    I've pretty much told everything by now, anyway, though.

    As far as getting carried away with a personal thought or conversation with someone on a forum, I've done it plenty, too. No worries.

  14. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I'm glad you spotted that. Further on it says:

    "The Guardian authorizes all new orgs and only the Guardian may shut down or move an org."

    I thought it was a suppressive act to close an org? LOL
  15. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Emphasis mine.

    If by that snarky comment you meant me, let me explain something to you (again).

    You do not know how other people feel (or felt in the past) or how relationships and the dynamics between people ebb and flow ... you clearly think you do but you don't and your assessment of Mike Rinder and how he was manipulated by a "sneaky, vicious, psychotic witch" was wrong or at least was not how Mike Rinder recalled it.

    Memory is a completely different thing, I expect we all have the occasional lapses in that dept, that's life.

    I value ESMB too much to see it turn into a circus, make of that what you will ... I'm out.

  16. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome Janis

    A bit of a jest here, but Gib referenced the Guardian Pl again and since it says in that PL that the Guardian Powers derive from the ED post, I would like to see Heber or Guillaume or whoever is current ED close down RTC and CSI. OR just move them lock, stock and barrel into trementina N.M prison
  17. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    Sorry, I wasn't clear. APRL was a GO front group.
  18. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    No, it wasn't aimed at you. You meant well at the time, so did Hobs, but you can certainly be snarky, like here, so I see your attitude changed.

    That was how I assessed things at the time but the mistake was 40 years ago, when I assigned the things said to me to the wrong person. Wrong person, but IMO, probably the right assessment. There was another Mike, in B1. Much younger than Val, too.

    That's a load of bunk.

    That's exactly how memory works.

    Personal memories include emotions, impressions, perceptions and personal judgments. If we are afraid, we remember things in that state. If we are angry, we remember things in that state, too. How we perceive things when we are afraid is different than when we are angry. I was terrified of Val Lisa, most people were, and had reason to be.

    I'm still trying to figure out who had a name that sounded like "Rinder". Not that it matters, but it certainly bothers me that I got that so wrong.

    Your attitude that I got it wrong on purpose, blah bah blah is ridiculous. Anyone who goes around assuming others make mistakes intentionally is going to have a poor outlook on life. Your assessment here is completely wrong. The irony and joke of it is, here you are telling me how I don't know how people feel, while you slap your own judgments on me as if you know what I remembered or not or what I felt or not. So you know how people feel, then? You claim to know so much about me and what I remembered or not and why. Yet we never even met. How OT of you.

    You don't. Nobody knows what goes on inside others' heads, their thoughts and emotions, not me, not you, not anyone. That was how I remembered things. Now have a great time poking fun at me, ridiculing me and criticizing me for being wrong about Mike being Mike Rinder or for my perceptions as an 18 year old Sea Org member who was whisked off to work for USGO and didn't know wtf was going on and trying to figure it out at the time. For 40 years I had that part wrong. That's kind of a big deal to me.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2017
  19. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Emphasis mine.

    You're doing it again ... this time you have apparently decided that I think that you "got it wrong on purpose" (but at no point did I say or imply that you "got it wrong on purpose" and I don't think that now) and then you've added your opinion (about me) based on that false assumption (apparently I am going to have a "poor outlook on life") and I suppose that will become your "memory" of this discussion ... mine will differ, a lot ... just as Mike Rinders did.

    I give up ... do what you like.

  20. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader