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Sorry about the nonsense

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Voltaire's Child, Dec 24, 2007.

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  1. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Regarding the recent unpleasantness memorialized in the "Fluffy" thread.

    I just wanted to let you guys know that I'd had no intention of bringing it up on any forum.

    I'm not on Arnie's forum where it occurred and I wasn't planning to post about it here or on OCMB.

    "Ailill" created the thread here

    And I responded to it as did a few others.

    But I wanted everyone to know that had that thread not been created, you wouldn't have seen mention of the matter (by me) on any forum.

    Back-channel is, of course, another story.

    It works like this. I don't start it, but I sure as fuck will finish it.
  2. ExScnDude

    ExScnDude Patron with Honors

    No worries, Fluffy. I got quite the laugh over the "He is currently deep undercover on a project (that may come to light later) and is terribly busy and taxed emotionally by the work he is doing."

    I got an image of him laying in bed under half a dozen blankets spanking his monkey.
  3. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    Kinda dumb computation! :lol:
  4. namaste

    namaste Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, that's pretty much how that line struck me too. :D

    Anyway, no problem fluffy.
  5. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    It's neither computation nor dumb.

    I do not know of anyone who does not deal with allegations and/or attacks and threats as they come up, if they come up.

    I know you sure wouldn't fail to do so.
  6. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    Depends on who's yapping! :)

    Still one of the oldest and most powerful Tech's - is - matching terminal tech -as it defines one's level and quality of game playing. :omg:

    Silence can be devastating to some! :lol:

  7. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    not important
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  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I don't see Alan's posts as public ridicule of Fluffy.
  9. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    not important
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  10. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Oh, I don't think Alan's ridiculing me, but he definitely does not approve of me- which I already knew- and he's showing it.Again.
  11. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    There are a number of people to whom I don't reply and to whom I haven't replied in months or years.

    In fact, I got a lot of flak for killfiling a very well known high profile critic on a.r.s. And you know what? I've not written one response to that person since I killfiled him. Not one.

    If something does come up, I reserve the right to reply to whomever and whenever I wish-if I wish to do so. As do you.

    Again, there are people to whom I've not responded in years. But it's not going to be everybody.

    Also, there's a reason they're called "discussion groups", I think.

    I know full well that a friend of yours does not approve of my arguing back, though it's certainly ok for that person to write extremely nasty ad homs, post personal info about me that I'd never posted, and to completely change things I've written then complain about the revised version that wasn't any text of mine.

    This person has repeatedly stated that it's wrong for me to respond.

    Well, there is wrongdoing in the equation- on the side of the person doing the attacking.

    I will bet every person on this forum a latte that if anyone were to make a concerted decade long attack on Alan Walter or on a friend of his, that he would not be silent on the subject. I know this for a fact.

    Hell, I'll even spring for an extra shot and some whipped cream.
  12. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    In any event, the purpose of this thread -before it got derailed- was to say that the recent commentary by Roan on Arnie's forum was something I was not going to post about.

    I'd have kept it off the forums.

    I'm truly sorry that this nonsense has come and polluted ESMB.

    I am not going to discuss that matter on ESMB anymore or on any other forum.

    Other matters may be a different story- but not that one.
  13. MissDorfl

    MissDorfl Patron with Honors


    don't worry! I'd have brought it up, if Ailill hadn't started it first. I actually would have brought it up before, if Roan hadn't deleted his post, so I didn't have anything to go by, anymore.
  14. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Oh, hey, doll, it's all good.

    Merry Christmas!
  15. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    You quoted the exact service fac computation that has ruined my life continuously! :)

    That of: Originally Posted by fluffy: - It works like this. "I don't start it, but I sure as fuck will finish it."

    The reason the computation ruined my life was it put me in a continuous involuntary replicating Games Condition with destructive people.

    When this erased I left Scio.

    Still depends on who's yapping! :)

  16. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    as we say back home - is this a private fight or can anyone join in?
  17. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Well, I don't think it's a fight, at least I'm not pissed off...but yeah, Mick, you can join in...Anytime, dollink.
  18. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill


    It does depend on who's yapping. And there are people I don't respond to. It depends on the situation.

    See, early on, my life was almost ruined by my not standing up for myself. And, now, I'm just not that kind of person anymore.

    The thing is, my life is different from yours. This is a different set of circumstances, involving different people.

    I appreciate your taking the time to explain your thoughts to me (not being sarcastic) and I wish you a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
  19. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Is what ruined your life back then still happening now?

    If someone questions your ideas - as happens frequently to you on message boards all over the Internet - are they really trying to ruin you?

    Or is the situation different now?


    You remember every perceived slight, every disagreement, every insult that has ever been made to you. You have never forgotten even one. You take every opportunity to remind those involved and everyone else not involved that they occurred, often embellished from your own viewpoint with little or no regard to the viewpoint of the Evil One who slighted you.

    My question to you is, "Can you see yourself as others see you?"

    Can you accommodate the possibility that you could be a pain in the ass to someone else, and forgive them for feeling that way about you? Can you just laugh at it and move on?

    Will "moving on" ever be part of your bag of ticks?

    Should it be in there?

    I hope you take this holiday season as an opportunity to weigh the benefits and costs of "forgiving and forgetting".

    To ask yourself really what carrying all these incidents around with you really accomplishes, especially since they were all gathered from message boards whose defining characteristic is conflict and slighting those viewpoints you disagree with.

    The slights you get on message boards are JUST NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

    I hope that you privately consider my ideas here.

    And I also hope that you have a Merry Christmas and a very successful and very Happy New Year.
  20. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    The purpose of this thread is to say sorry about the nonsense with the stupidity from the Lermanut board.

    I'd had no intention of bringing up Roan's post or the one that precipitated it on this or any public forum.

    For the record, those weren't "slight" or "slights"-they were very strongly worded and extreme in a number of ways- and they weren't something I was holding onto. It was a recent situation that was brought to my attention in an email from a friend last Wednesday, and the posts themselves were five days old at that time.

    Once put on the table, I decided to join my friends in discussing it.

    My plan before "Ailill" brought this out into the open was to just discuss it my own way, back channel, with those who brought it to my attention in the first place.

    As far as anything else goes, it depends on what's happening currently and if it's a situation where someone has spent years doing the same exact thing.

    I can name several critics with whom I'm now friends who used to be hostile to me in varying degrees. I would do anything I could for them. We mended fences, it was fine.

    If they were still fucking with me, it would be a different situation and we would obviously not be friends.

    I do know that Alanzo indicated great distress over my flaming someone on the (now absent) bitching post who'd just, that week, said pretty rank things about my husband.

    So obviously it's not a matter of someone thinking I'm hanging on. The idea is that I should not say anything even right then, the same week, as the situation is taking place.

    As I said before, it depends on what the situation is and who's saying what.

    I haven't written responses to several different people in literally years and I know for a fact that they've mentioned me a number of times during this period. Doesn't matter, I'm done with them. Because I know it's never going to be any good.

    And there are still others whom I used to really not like and now we're calling each other, emailing each other, even meeting. I would go a long way to do a favor for those people.

    I recently mended fences with someone whom I considered extremely tough to deal with- who just seeing that person's name or post was enough to annoy the hell out of me. I will never ever ever go back to not getting along with that person. If that person ever needs me- which they probably won't, but just sayin'- I'm there. Totally.

    So it depends on the person and if the situation is ongoing and what the situation was to begin with.

    I would suggest that those who are upset by my decisions to review their own actions, motives, and above all, to keep in mind what each and every single one of us needs to keep in mind regarding the personal decisions and lifestyle choices of others- it's not your life, it's not your business.

    Don't read the threads if there are objections to my commentary.

    It works for me the same way it works for most. If I want advice or help- I'm not shy about asking for it. In fact, I just PM'd someone a couple days ago whom every single one of you knows- to ask for advice. I ended up taking it, too.

    I'm not perfect,but those who take it upon themselves to publicly reprove me- no way am I going to listen to them. Ever.

    Every single one of the people who've made a fuss on the forums about my posting rebuttals has themselves either behaved quite poorly or has supported others who have. So I consider it to be self serving. I don't take advice from self serving people.

    For those who want to reform me- hey, if I want to hear from someone like that, I'll unzip my pants and bend over.

    This forum is chock full of people who discuss the things that happened to them in CofS, often naming names. OCMB, Lermanut and ARS, too. I think that's good. Those things should be exposed. Those people should be. I think that if something's happening, it's up to the person who's on the receiving end to deal with it. And his or her way of dealing with it, may not be someone else's.

    I don't believe, though, that if the person doesn't want to sweep it under the rug, that they should do so. And I think the same standard applies to anything else that's going on in "pt".

    I'm not trying to get back at the missionholders who screwed me over, just as I'm not trying to get back at that kid in the schoolyard or my 5th grade teacher-because I've gotten the ultimate revenge. I'm living well and living large.

    However, if they were here now and were doing something detrimental to me now, I'd act.

    See, when I was on Beliefnet (well, I still am, but it's pretty much dead as a doornail) and there were some OSA types, they used to blather about people who discussed their misadventures in CofS, accusing them of whining.

    It's the same thing. There are things some people do not want you to talk about.

    If you study history or even current events, you will see that when people try to silence someone who's discussing what happened to him or his family or friends, that the would-be silencers have ulterior motives.

    The Puritans. The Roman Catholic Church during medieval times. The Russian Communists. The Chinese Communists. The Church of Scientology (I almost wrote "Silentology". That's good. I'm gonna use that) and some critics here and there.

    Frankly, all the above named groups and/or individuals are on a par, morally and ethically.

    So, look- I am going to reiterate this one more time for those who may need it--

    I was NOT going to bring up the commentary on Lermanut publicly.

    And I'm not going to discuss what happened on that board the other week any further.

    If it stays in the pages of history and doesn't once again become a current event, you will not see me discussing it.