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Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by Emma, Mar 14, 2014.

  1. freethinker

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    If Wallace is fortunate enough to find out that Dib was being fair gamed while this is going on, I believe he would but as Veda pointed out, being fair gamed does not mean you know you were or that someone else can recognize you were becuase there is a covert side to the fair game coin and that includes not knowing who did it.

  2. degraded being

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    Nowadays, and especially with the social media hyper-vigilance, I expect that if any fairgaming were to take place it would be done in such a careful, quiet, distanced way that the victim, the victim's family, the victim's pets, the victim's professional associates and the millions watching online would not know it was happening, and it would therefore have no effect. :biggrin:
  3. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Correct, Lucretia! Here they are **tonight**

    I know it's a bit off topic ...but per your post, this SHOWS them still trying to do their weirdo actions TONIGHT.

    Love to all and Happy St Patty's Day!! :cheers: :woohoo: :clap:

    Tory/McGooski :)
  4. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Message to Judge Waldrip ... if you notice any weirdo's hanging about trying to look intimidating (lol!) with web cams nailed to their heads just do your brilliant Ricky Gervais impression (ask em if they're "aving a laff") ... they'll try to "edit it out" but it'll be comedy gold regardless.
  5. They'll put on their OT tin foil suits and focus their attention beams on them to blast them with 'anti-admiration particles'

  6. pkatz

    pkatz Patron with Honors

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  7. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    there is also "Derek", new RG series.... great also.:coolwink:
  8. Veda

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    Ya'd think so, yet...

    Miscavige, even in the age of Internet and YouTube, applied Hubbard's overt (noisy, deliberately visible) harassment tech. Amazingly stupid.

    I know you're being funny, but it only makes a confused topic even more confused.

    In a well executed covert op, the victim would be "embarrassed, discredited, or overthrown, or removed," and there would be no traceable connection to Scientology.

    Cute, but very much not true.

    This thread is best focused on the legal case.

    There seems to be hardwired blind-spot on the topic of truly covert attack methods. That's unfortunate because that pretty much guarantees that they'll be used in the future, in the event that Scientology ceases being dysfunctional and run by a high school dropout.

    Let's hope that this part of Scientology tech remains "out." :)
  9. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    when you warn a kid : "do not do that ,or you will broke that window...", and he just keep doing it, and finally brake that window... usually you tell him " did I told you so...?"
    wonder, is there someone brave enough to ask DM : "did I told you so...?" :p
  10. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Weclome westgrinsted:thumbsup:
    Yep. utmost perversity it is so true. Given the number of scientologists leaving, the number of dependent/independent scientologist practising outside the corporate realm, the growing number of never in's becoming aware of this perversity along with the judicial system also utterly sick of being mocked by the cult, you are in a growing majority of opinion which is determined to end the cultic perversity.
  11. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I agree Veda and I was looking for the stories/descriptions which laid out step by step, participant by participant exactly how this was done. I can vaguely remember one example being about how, I believe it was a judge in California(?) was so manipulated. Would you happen to have this to hand to bring it to notice again? The core of it is rumour mongering and is also akin to but reflected in their bullshit PR and positioning.
  12. degraded being

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    Yeah, I was being tongue in cheek -although with a serious hope that it really is becoming more difficult for them. And the reality of what they do is of course, no joke.
  13. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes and as I see TXLawyer stating Wallace would not knowingly enable DM to tar the justice system with such crap. I really hope TXlawyer is correct and that DM completely nails himself into his own coffin compliments of true justice delivered making lady justice stand proud and fully recovered.
  14. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Or with more and more fully understanding exactly how it is done the fairgaming would be identified, tracked, participants identified and all actions recorded and presented by the state against the poisoners of truth and liberty.

    Yes, I know the 'state' is not itself so pure and this is not a utopia, but hope can spring eternal. :yes:
  15. HelluvaHoax!

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    ...some perspective.

    Keep in mind that this case is a grand chess match, played out in slow motion.

    It's WWIII for Scientology. The Allied troops, despite every conceivable defensive effort to foil them, have landed at Normandy and are now boots-on-the-ground in mainland Europe. Their indefatigable march towards Berlin has started.

    The compelled DEPOSITION of Miscavige is a nuclear weapon. We can be assured that Ray Jeffrey is playing 20 moves ahead on this chess board, setting Miscavige up to lie his ass off--always knowing that Ray has an additional army that lies in waiting out of view. Rebuttal witnesses, by the dozen from the roster of former Int Execs, who will come forth and testify that Miscavige micro-managed them, ordered them, punished them, terrorized them and beat them senseless.

    This is Miscavige's worst nightmare, because he can't stand at a podium in front of thirty foot columns and deliver a litany of lies with people applauding. This is real life and his "OT powers" don't work in a courtroom.

    I would imagine that the only thing on Miscavige's mind these days is settlement. It's Debbie Cook Part II, but the stakes are a million times greater. Or should I say 20-25 million times greater.

    All he cares about, I would imagine, is how to keep the settlement confidential to save face. It's not the money that bothers him, it's not his money and never was. A $25M structured settlement over 20 years @$1M per hear with a $5M initial payment at the time it's closed is nothing. It's only $1M per year, which is just one reg cycle with one of his stupid whales.

    This is all about saving face and PREVENTING RAY & OTHER LIKE ATTORNEYS from striking again, through the vehicle of countless other lawsuits that will befall the COS/RTC like a torrential downpour--exactly the same way that the COS overwhelmed the IRS.

    I hear the sound of dominoes falling. . .
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  16. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    If I were in the shoes of anyone (much less Mosey Rathbun) in litigation with Miscavige and CoS, I would never accept a structured settlement that wasn't fully funded up front, e.g., via an annuity. For one thing, I would count on Miscavige always trying to dick me around. For another, I doubt that Miscavige, the CoS and Scientology whales will be around long enough to fund the annual payouts directly.

    My two cents' worth.

  17. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Exactly. This case, the Narconon suits, the Garcias, DeCrescenzo, et al, are templates for more cases to be brought.
    Use the exact strategy that the cult employed against the IRS, only these cases will have merit,
    not just nuisance value. Overwhelm and bury them up to their asses in lawsuits.
    I've dreamed of this: Hundreds and hundreds of fact-based lawsuits proving fraud and abuse perpetrated by David Miscavige, and his agents, on behalf of the Scientology business.
    So many have been injured by Scientology...
  18. HelluvaHoax!

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    A possible compromise is for funds to be escrowed and paid in annual installments, subject to the terms/conditions not being violated. That's where the legal wrangling is going to get very interesting--the terms of disclosure or non-disclosure.

    I doubt that the AMOUNT of the settlement is a sticking point for the Rathbuns..but i doubt the number has risen high enough to buy their assured future silence.

    Everything's got a price.

    Marty will simply realize it's in his best interest to "move on" and "not have stuck attention" on Scientology.

    More significantly than the amount or terms will be whether it sets a precedent or model for success and thereby opens up a double door to lawyers across the map setting up shop to go after the limping, de-fanged cult.
  19. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    ok, now maybe stupid question.... :
    is there a possibility that Monique take some money (20-30M)... and then Marty sue church again,with money, and bigger law team? and team Monique has finished - their job , but team Marty starts another one ? :biggrin:
  20. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I don't think any price will buy Marty's silence.

    However Monique wouldn't mind being silenced as she
    hasn't been talking in the first place anyway.

    Could she even be legally asked for Marty's silence?