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Discussion in 'Leaks - Emails, Promo, Insider Info' started by dianaclass8, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    "Alfred Kinsey's 1950s studies on US population have shown that 92% of men and 62% of women have masturbated during their lifespan."

    And the other 8% of men are lying!
  2. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Here's some interesting commentary from Nibs' 1984 Penthouse interview (Penthouse...hey, it isn't that this masturbation stuff made me think of this...cut me some slack, will ya'?):

    1984 interview...hmmmmmmmmm...where have I heard that term "1984" before?
  3. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    your quotes I can't copy without more gymnastics than I'm willing.

    but the auditing I had and my wife and girl fiends (sic) had, contradicted Nibs' comment.

    Sex was something that we enjoyed. It was enhanced by auditing, not forced in a controlled little box.

    in no particular order:

    In the 1970s (long before the internet)

    I had a girl friend tell me of sexual activity with a dog, a horse (different women).

    Vibrators, photo sessions, porn movies, truth or dare parties were all part of the Scio scene.

    getting rid of the blocks , the suppressed comm was what auditing did, not the inverse.

    I kid you not.

    I had a PC once, who couldn't even talk about sex, who went to owning his sexuality, owning his enjoyment of scat games, and finding and marrying a girl of the same mind. A new century, and they are still married.

    Auditing used to be about freedom and ownership thereof.
  4. Jachs

    Jachs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Nibs knew the s-core, what an insurance policy to ensure obedience.

    decide on the basis of ”the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics”
    whether or not you are irregular, degraded , suppressive , woggy, or potentially could be normal compared to the rest of depraved society according to Hubbard.

    deliver an effective blow to your self esteem.

    Repeat effective blows to self esteem until utterly obedient.
  5. Jachs

    Jachs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Could it be that Nibs saw the secretive side of Ron's actions?

    All I see is Scientology was good because the people it attracted were and are free spirited.

    Maybe its just luck where and when you end up.
  6. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    What Nibs is describing is definitely the core of the onion and a method of operation to keep people from blowing Scientology and THEN turning critical with BPI critical statements and such.

    He's describing what has been run on Chuch Beatty and others.

    He's describing something that people have conjectured about various celebs such as Tom a-hole Cruise and John Travolta. That is that they are "owned" due to the withholds in their respective PC folders.

    He's talking about the culling of folders for "ammunition" for blackmail purposes and such to keep people "in" or shut up.

    He's not describing any wins from auditing.

    Also, this "control" that he's describing doesn't even have to be implied. It's very, very subtle and works on every Scientologist.

    He's not talking about people being/getting audited/auditing and the process controls them from then on or something.

    There is no argument that auditing produces wins or can be beneficial.

    Here are some quotes on what Nibs has to say about auditing and tech:

    There is absolutely zero doubt that Scientology controls their subjects with their subjects' withholds - real or imagined - sex being one of those withhold topics. It's just like an afternoon soap opera on TV - there's always the blackmailing bitch who holds a lever over the family by threatening to air the skeletons in the closet.

    The fact that Scientology goes through PC folders for dirty laundry has been acknowledged and defended by Scientology's own attorneys.

    PS. These quotes from Nibs can be read in his 1984 taped interview for Scientologists.

    PPS. Sex is below Eat so now I'm hungry and gotta' go, folks!!
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2011
  7. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Any species uses masturbation to get some pleasure or tension releif
    This a normal behavior in animal and human kingdoms - very common with animals.

    It's like anything else
    It becomes a peversion as some religious dictator make us beleive it's bad
    or when someone becomes obsessive-compulsive about that.

    Like Uncle Ron and his rondroides...
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2011
  8. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Fuck Flag!

    This is probably an OT ability. I mean, .........spring chickens aren't even in the race. :)
  9. GoNuclear

    GoNuclear Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's interesting ... not that you need the relief of popping your cork several times daily ... all guys do ... the interesting part is that you could actually have fantasies about your wife.

    Not that I have discussed fantasies with enough guys to come up with statistically accurate conclusions ... but, just from having spoken to a handful (no pun intended) ... before a guy gets it for the first time, say in highschool ... fantasies are pretty creative. They don't usually involve some hot hollywood actress, mainly they involve some cheerleader chick that they don't stand a chance with, or, some gal who is a senior (the guy in question being a sophomore) and don't stand a chance with her, or, they want to shtup and/or muff the provocatively dressed young English or History teacher, that they also don't stand any realistic shot at.
    Of course, all that is barring access to some magazines or video porn.

    Finally, a guy gets it. At that point, if it isn't instantly available and some fast relief is needed, it isn't a fantasy anymore ... it's more a matter of running a mental video.

    Then it ends with chick #1. While searching for chick #2, the mental video tape is re-run again and again ... but it tends to be a tape of the FIRST TIME with chick #1.

    Soon, after, say, running up a double digit total, with some encounters being just one night daliances ... when going thru one's mental tape selection, the one nighters seem to be the ones selected most often. If any others are selected, IT IS A TAPE OF THE FIRST TIME. That doesn't include any that were store-bought, direct cash-for-play. Those tapes tend to pretty much gather dust.

    Access to porn creates a dependency ... it is easier to stare at porn as an aid to achieving some fast relief than to try to focus on all of those old mental image tapes, which, unless you are a rock star with access to groupies, tend to get worn thin at some point.

    One last thing ... I have an inlaw who is such a nerd that he managed to not only stay single but not get laid for the first time until after age 50, no shit. Meanwhile, part of his personality ... he is as cheap as the day is long, and saves compulsively, and has done nothing but buy bonds with his not so great salary. But his frugal living has gotten him to the point of just under 7 figured total assets, while he lives in a tiny cracker box apartment. After years and years, he finally got himself a computer as opposed to getting his email off the computer in my office, or going to the library. He stays away from online porn because he is afraid of computer viruses. Anyways, as much as I admire his better habits that have kept him out of a lot of difficulties, his is a case of arrested development. Of course, that includes a lifetime of wanking away for fast relief. But now that he has finally gone thru a few affairs, even in his situation, the fantasies have given way to rerunning the tapes and falling into the same general pattern that I mentioned ... that is, "first-time-with-a-new-one" tapes tend to get the most wear.

  10. GoNuclear

    GoNuclear Gold Meritorious Patron

    I am confused. All this time, I thought self esteem was a do-it-yourself carpet cleaning system, sold door-to-door by recent Italian immigrants.

  11. Jachs

    Jachs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Ur right i had it Ron way round, its blow steemy self.
  12. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for this, Aida.

    Ya gotta hand it to the midget. He is the only one in the Sea Org that has effectively handled the chronic situation of overcrowded dorms.
  13. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    With how obsessed DM is about masturbation and sex, he's got to be one of the top offenders.

    And with his refusal to get any auditing, it's all just a big withhold!
  14. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    TMI ! LOL ! But thanks, guys - I needed that. :biggrin:
  15. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I've said it before...COB is into *micro*managment...:coolwink:
  16. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    I know at least 4 people "on" OT VII who say they have made their last trip to Flag.
    They, for now, or trying to fly under the radar until they see where theri family stands and therefore what the consquences are going to be.

    It is interesting to have more and more people that are still "in" come to ( declared ) me for my feelings on " how to do it " when it comes to leaving the group - and so many friends behind.

    Whatever anybody says about DM I do thank him for causing so many of my Public and SO friends to get out of there - and make them completely unrecoverable.

    When they walk they are done!
  17. Div6

    Div6 Crusader


    Situation: I need to take an LOA for 6 weeks to handle some backlogged cycles affecting my ability to optimumly be in session and continue my rocket ride up the Bridge to Total Freedom.

    Data: What with the enforced sexual restraint during my cycles at Flag, and the prohibition on self-pleasure, my Body and I are requesting some time to work some issues out between my desire to go up the Bridge, and it's desire for the comfort of human touch and intimacy. Since my 2-D is in Non-E (overwhelming debt, etc) I have no outlet for these needs, and it is interfering with my progress and Ethic Level. Handling this, I will be able to come back to Flag and fly through the rest of my cycles to get onto my next level.

    Solution: Allow me my LOA. I will fly to a country where prostitution is legal, and handle my chronic out body ruds without committing the sin of solo pleasure. I will take full responsiblity for all potential outcomes, and only engage in the safest of practices. I will return with full Dox of my activities for C\S verification.

    This is OK

    Approved:___________________ DisApproved:_________________
  18. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    Oh NO ! You know that right here in the US in NEVADA that prostitution is legal in every county except Clark ( where Las Vegas is located ).

    Re submit for correct time needed to get there and back plus 3 days to do your biz.
  19. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    "Ron way round"...fucking classic, Jachs!!!!

    Much applause for you!! :happydance:
  20. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yep...An instant ESMB Classic!. :clap::clap: