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The Tone Scale: How Valid Is It?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Dulloldfart, May 7, 2017.

  1. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    I don't think you either are PTS or downtone..but you should be given a handling to spot why and how you pulled it in...:blush: :biggrin:
    The tree, unfortunately, is in a degraded state :unsure:

    Is this your tree ???
    When wood pecker do such a jod to a's because the tree is very ill (bugs infested though)
    So yes..the woodpecker did alert you the tree was going to be a hazard for the house and wires.

    (hopefuly you are very prudent Sheila..those jobs nears electric wired must be done by professionals though...take care. We know you can make things go right..but it's hazardous around there cutting trees )

    Actually I would say (according to my favorite kids tone scale)

    that both of you (woddpecker and you) are very determined and resolute.

    Good luck and good recovery (we are not young chicks anymore..but still trying though ) :biggrin:
  2. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    Oh good lord. *sigh*

    Hey, guess what, it isn't 'valid' except to highly obsessed and gullible people following crap from a horrible human who is has baffled/conned you.

    Get over it, its crap, dumb, and pointless outside the Hubbard long-con.

  3. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    Scientology is pseudo science, fake news, a dictatorship let it go and find real scientific academic collaborative channels to fill your curiosities, wog tech is far superior even Scientology proves that, emeters are they made by sea org or OTs? No that's outsourced to China lol. The lawyers and private investigators are all wogs, tech (computer) consultants pr consultants, all wogs, Scientology staff don't go up the bridge they join as wogs and work as wogs most their life very few go clear or ot, if Scientology made you more efficient they would have staff get up the bridge before posting into production

    Here's Hubbard's approach to every subject in a nutshell

    In his head... "I'm the source of all! I'm the only source, I'm the biggest thetan! I'm immortal and all knowing! Humans must be destroyed and turned into scientologists! I will make them all my minions I'm God I'm Buddha I'm the anti christ"

    In every lecture on any subject... "I was over in _____ studying_____ and they were having a hell of a time with ______ so I figured I might as well apply Scientology to this and what do you know!? I traced the subject back to ______ and of course he had it all wrong so I had to fix it and straightened it all out and now it's all taped up and this became this new process ______ and I almost killed myself doing it but I came through in the end, nobody else ever did this, just me but we won't get into why"

    (So stop thinking about _____ just pay me for process ______)

    Thought stoppers, and you're not supposed to discuss the subject any further that's verbal tech and you might find out he was wrong or come up with something better and he can't have that!

    Good thing wogs don't have a policy like ksw and verbal tech or squirreling or there would be no science

    They don't have a color emotions chart with Smiley's for the crib yet but I'm sure if you do some searching they have better information than Hubbard on the subject without the thought stopping cult ties

    Like Brian Culkin said, Hubbard made complex subjects digestible for the layman. But to what end? No good
  4. Elronius of Marcabia

    Elronius of Marcabia Silver Meritorious Patron

    It's about a 1 or 2 on scale of 1 to 10 Paul and only has use within the self referential
    works of Hubbard and his sham Dianetics and Scientology.
    Of course thats my opinion from the lowest of possible emotional position on the scale :)
    being totally apathetic about the entire subject and whobird and his pseudo piece of shit
    so called science:angry: I really can't be arsed to care much yawn :yes: and although I am conservative
    in my opinions most of the time :yes:.

    I am still yet enthusiatic about the topic and acutely aware of my chronic disdain for all
    things Whobardian :biggrin:

    Likely due too a fatal flaw in my character:coolwink::omg::dance3::thumbsup::hysterical: or maybe just a wee bit
    of compasion for the poor lowly downscale chronically positioned wogs db's and sp's with
    unsolvable cases who get stamped with the Whobardian nonsense.

    Valid ? who really gives shit unless your out to solve a "Case" make a "Clear OTea":yes:

    Trying to find one scrap of value out of Hubbards ramblings is like digging through
    a pile of shit to find a kernel of corn for nourishmnet.

    Yeah you can but not sure if its wise or wanted :coolwink:
  5. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    It's sad that you are such close to death ???? :bigcry:

    What you said :clap:
  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    You certainly got the bloviation patter down cold! LOL!

    And let's include Architects and Construction Contractors to the list of essential wog outsourcing. Seems they exceeded their in-house capabilities (read: EPF & RPF) long ago.
  7. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Hmm... a tone scale devised by a person who was tone deaf. How valid can that be?


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  8. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    There was some discussion in this thread regarding multiple tones occurring simultaneously.

    Here is LRH attempting to address the deficiencies of his simple tone scale.

    (Look under 'Tapes in order' then 10th ACC to find the transcript.) (Hint - in this site, you have to scroll to the top of the web page you requested or sometimes you will see nothing)

    “Every one of the emotional bands has every one of the emotions in it. Now, this is the part being the
    whole sort of a thing. Well, let's take boredom as an emotion and we find out there's the anger of
    boredom and there's the grief of boredom and so on.

    Let's take apathy. This is one of the most remarkable things. There is a - an apathy of rage. Or a rage
    of apathy, and so forth. I mean, "Oh, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I could just kill somebody
    about this," you know? So we take each one of the emotions and we find out it has each one of the
    emotions in it.” .. 9[SUP]th[/SUP] ACC Lecture, Elementary Material, Know to Mystery Scale, 7 January 1955

    (Ya, the pdf file says 10th ACC, material says 9th ACC, eeany, meeny, myyny, mo...)

  9. Francois Tremblay

    Francois Tremblay Patron with Honors

    I do think there is some validity to the concept that we can get stuck on a "tone," and that we move from "tone" to "tone" as we talk and things happen and so on. But that doesn't take much intelligence to figure out. The idea of addressing someone a little more uptone than they are, is also a good common sense sort of thing. But the concept that we have one fixed scale of emotions, and that emotion X always comes after emotion Y in all situations, seems extremely implausible to me.

    What I would like people to examine though (and I haven't read this thread in a while so it may have been discussed), is how the tone scale helps mold people into the Scientologist valence (personality type). If you honestly believe the tone scale is valid, and try to follow it, does that actually serve the purpose of making you more like a model Scientologist? Is that the whole point?
  10. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    I just had a HUGE WOGNITION


    Scientology is put together and held together by Wog Attorney's consulting a sociopathic leader (David Miscavige) on how to cover up his crimes and keep all of the money extorted and manipulated out of the unsuspecting victims who are unfortunate to cross $cientrickery's path.

    The scum bag cock roach attorneys Keep Scientology Working. They make MILLION$ off of this and Slappy Miscavige gets to live his lavish lifestyle whilst he beats and abuses those that serve him.


    I will say it again -

    TRUST is NOT at the Top O the Tone Scale!~:no:
  11. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes - good point.

    "how the tone scale helps mold people into the Scientologist valence (personality type). If you honestly believe the tone scale is valid, and try to follow it, does that actually serve the purpose of making you more like a model Scientologist? Is that the whole point?"

    I ran a successful business for many years prior to becoming a victim of Scientrickery.

    I did not trust when I walked in. For some reason, :whistling:I did not trust the hackles were up.

    But I was in the middle of a RUIN. Scientology exploited that ruin and got a shit ton of money out of me without providing any lasting help.

    I kept thinking "I want this ruin to get resolved, they say the tech works when standardly applied"

    so I will follow SOURCE / Sauced - L Ron the Con Hubbard

    I slowly adopted everything that fat fuck said...."trust is at the top of the tone scale"

    and whalla - I was a Scientologist...and no longer had an analytical mind to critically look at what I was being told by the "tech".

    They got a lot of money out of I earned WITHOUT the fucking tech or Org Board.

    I now see the scam...very clever that little Hubbard....very clever indeed.


    I caught several Scientologist's filing bankrutpcy after putting their "Bridge, L's donations" on credit cards...and I questioned the ethical behavior...I was told something about "Pirates and Bums"....and that lead me to LOOKING which led me to the DOOR OUT.

  12. Oscar

    Oscar Patron

    Invalid. Emotions are not on an altitude scale. They are on a scale measured soley by degrees of pleasantness to unpleasantness, a lateral scale. Death is not an emotion.
  13. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Pain and Death are emotions.

    You dramming wogs need to wake up and know this stuff. When Jesus (just a shade above Clear - even though a pedophile) "raised" Lazarus from the dead all that was done was to bring him uptone out of Body Death.

    This is why Tom Cruise says that only Scientologists can really help at an accident scene because the accident "victims" are merely dramming Pain as an emotion or something and just need to come up the Tone Scale a bit to get out of that emotion.
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Every time I see this image I'm struck by how much everybody seems to be enjoying themselves.


    Now, about the tone scale. If Hubbard got the idea from someone else it might possibly have some basis in truth, otherwise I'd say it was about as valid as the nine-pound-note in my pocket.
  15. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Oh, I don't know - I found all his reminiscing about pipe organ stops very uplifting.
  16. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I must have missed that TOBB. I presume he gives details on how he invented the pipe organ of course - immediately after he invented music.
  17. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Pretty close. I think it was on the Student Hat Course tapes on the EPF. I don't know if it was just a Sea Org thing or if the tapes are on public courses also. As I recall he was using a discussion about his expertise in pipe organs to make the point about how important it is to define words so you know the nomenclature of a subject. Whenever I see that picture of him at the keyboard I think of that.

    Now that I know this was a con from the start I have to wonder if he enjoyed making us look up all that stuff and getting into long useless word chains just to mess with us? If I wanted to impress somebody I somehow suspect that emphasizing my familiarity with the internal workings of pipe organs wouldn't be my first choice but if you were an American pretending to be an English country gentleman then maybe that was what they did in the 50s.

    Is it a bad thing that I can remember this kind of trivia at this point in my life? When I'm in a rest home will I be constantly talking about this to the nurses?
  18. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Talking about an American pretending to be an English gentleman reminds me of the astronomer Edwin Hubble who adopted a faux English accent like the one's he heard at Oxford University while he was a student there. He also took to smoking a pipe and wearing a cape. I can hear him now ... "By jove old boy, the darned universe is expanding don't you know".
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2019
  19. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    This was exactly the Student Hat. In fact, David Mcsquirrel-age had this taken off the tapes the last I heard.
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  20. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    To be fair, the British accent is pretty infectious but Hubbard didn't really do that. We got something more along the lines of - zowie, wheee, know, man!