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Threats of Violence Against Me on Marty's Blog

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Alanzo, Aug 16, 2010.

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  1. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Marty censors a lot of things.

    So when he publishes a comment, you have to assume he means it.

    You can't accuse LRH of being the source of Fair Game, or malign LRH's image, tech or policy in any way on his blog. He will block any comment that questions his actions or strategy or anyone around him on things he doesn't want to answer.

    But when I make a comment on why some people do not trust Marty Rathbun, he publishes a shitstorm of angry, hateful posts calling me all kinds of names and even one post that threatens violence against me by ΘTater/GaryLerner. | August 15, 2010 at 8:16 pm |


    I'm posting it here so everyone can see it.

    I also have it pdfed and date-stamped, in context.

    I do not take this lightly. Scientology's history of violence has now been well documented and Marty Rathbun has talked about his own violent history as a Scientologist.

    And now he is encouraging his followers to threaten violence to people who question him and posting these threats on his blog.
     
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  2. nozeno

    nozeno Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientology works.

    Be careful.
     
  3. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    What's he responding to and who is he talking about? What's the whole story here? What did you say that this response is referring to?:confused2:
     
  4. AnonKat

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  5. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Violent threat by OTater/Gary Lerner, in context, as of 7:30pm CST 15 August 2010:

    Amy Scobee | August 14, 2010 at 7:53 pm | Reply In my opinion, anyone who would harass a whistle-blower that’s making information known to prevent others from getting hurt is just as nasty as the creep committing the crimes – and no friend of mine.
    While I may not consider myself a Scientologist any longer, I have MANY life-long friends who are and I respect them completely – particularly those standing up for human rights and risking so much to see that the truth is exposed about how corrupt that organization has become.


    • [​IMG] Cat Daddy | August 14, 2010 at 9:35 pm | Reply
      You are Awesome !!!
    • [​IMG] Allen Stanfield | August 14, 2010 at 11:02 pm | Reply
      Hi Amy –
      As Marty has admitted from time to time, he has fair-gamed a lot of people in the past for the Cult.
      Those people simply, and I believe understandably, do not trust him. Marty has taken some steps to regain the trust of some of the people he has fair-gamed in the past.
      Marty might think that the rest of these people are just too “low-toned” and “punk-like” to bother with. Or that sullying himself with human trash like these people will never get him anywhere.
      But these were people who were the whistle-blowers before Marty, and were doing something about the human rights abuses of the Cult, and Marty harassed the hell out of them for doing exactly what he himself is doing now.
      If you think about that, then it’s pretty easy to understand why so many people who got out of Scientology prior to 2005 distrust Marty Rathbun.
      Publishing this comment on his own blog – I believe – is a sign that Marty Rathbun might be becoming someone who can be trusted.
      • [​IMG] martyrathbun09 | August 14, 2010 at 11:30 pm |
        Allen, your A=A=A sophisms qualifies as communication intended to enturbulate. I’ve wasted far too much time arguing with the likes of you. Adios Muchacho
      • [​IMG] Sam | August 14, 2010 at 11:51 pm |
        Allen,
        Know why your bullshit got posted? Because it illustrates what was said in the original post to perfection:
        “I have got some idiots running a campaign against me because I don’t choose to listen to their abusive, infantile comm.”
        You and your fellow crony bunch of self-righteous, know-best, we did it before you, we so much better than you are na na na na na poo poo can take your imbecilic innuendos that Marty can’t be trusted or has some kind of damage he can make up to you by grovelling in reverence to your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it where the sun don’t shine!
        Is that sudden enough you moron?
      • [​IMG] Cat Daddy | August 15, 2010 at 12:04 am |
        “Publishing this comment on his own blog – I believe – is a sign that Marty Rathbun might be becoming someone who can be trusted.”
        LOL
      • [​IMG] Freebeing11 | August 15, 2010 at 12:50 am |
        Allen
        I know a lot of people that got out earlier. I also know the
        bitch sessions that I have listened to over the years from many
        factions outside the church. The infighting and lack of unity
        many times because of someones own button on self importance
        has gotten no traction.
        What Marty has been able to do is get more traction towards a
        common goal in the last year than all before have.
        SO we should all applaud the effect and not bitch about it. Marty, Mike, Amy, JB ect owe no amends to anyone. You really need to LOOK at WHO is ACTUALLY spreading that line and FIND OUT what thier ACTUAL intentions are.
        Marty: You rock and this blog rocks.
        SOLIDARITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      • [​IMG] Lucy | August 15, 2010 at 1:10 am |
        This is the time that pan determinism should be first and foremost whether you consider yourself to be a scientologist or not. Whether you like Marty or not you have personal integrity, otherwise Marty is cause over you – you are than effect of him. It is about human rights and the abuses that go on in the very group that all of us supported at one point or another over the last 50 years. The ARC breaks have to be recognized for what they are and move on. Get up tone and do something about the situation once and for all!
      • [​IMG] sarge | August 15, 2010 at 1:29 am |
        Sam, My god I Love it when you get ‘sudden’!
      • [​IMG] Andy | August 15, 2010 at 1:32 am |
        Allen,
        I left the Church in the mid ’80s – just after you got in. I would likely have been “classified” as the “low toned, punk like, Human trash” you speak of.
        A little while ago I originated to Marty, and he demonstrated compassion, understanding and granted me abundant beingness. Your assertation about Marty is dead wrong. You are 1.5 at best and are wrong targeting Marty in present time.
        Marty is the “genuine article” and the fact that you can’t see and acknowledge that puts you squarely outside of my group.
        P.S. I don’t like your blog – it comes off as just another natter board.
      • [​IMG] TRUTH | August 15, 2010 at 2:06 am |
        Allen,
        To be honest with you, Your comment shows everyone here that how much you and those who left the church before 2005 are craving for admiration and importance. If that is the case, GOOD JOB!
        But lets be honest here, for all those years you guys who left the church, how comes non of you could expose DM internationally as much as Marty and Mike have been doing for the past year which open the door for many inside, including myself, to leave too?
        Another point, Allen! PLEASE STOP using generalization by saying “why so many people who got out of Scientology prior to 2005 distrust Marty Rathbun.”
        There might be a few of you guys who “distrusted” Marty, but there are THOUSANDS of people around the world who truly see the good in Marty and trust him fully, including me and my family/friends.
        Allen, Please get a life and start loving yourself so you can also love others and be kind to another decent human being like Marty and Mike.
        Thank you.
      • [​IMG] Brad Hagemo | August 15, 2010 at 2:44 am |
        Allen,
        I have never met you so I do not know what motivators you may have received from Marty. My advice to you and anyone else who takes issue with him is this. You do not have to agree with him or even like him, but you had better damn well respect him. In my humble opinion he is a being who knows that power is “doing what your doing while your doing it”. He is a fiercly dedicated professional who gives 110 percent to the cause he supports. It is this quality which makes him indispensable as an ally and a nighmare as an opponent. If you found yourself opposing him in carrying out his duty as he saw it, I am not suprised that you are still upset by the result. The simple truth of any conflict is this; the rightness or wrongness of a conviction can always be debated, but the one who is most prepared and the most fierce in carrying out his convictions will have the upper hand. I do not say this to invalidate you as a being. You have every right to your perceptions and convictions. I am merely saying that if you can get past the mis-emotion of getting your ass kicked, there is a lesson to be learned. It is better to have Marty Rathbun fighting at your side than against you. I am willing to bet that David Miscavige is regretting the day he made Marty his enemy.
        To all who are dedicated to LRH’s theta-cause and opposed to the abomination which is DM’s cause, I say it is time to come to PT and ally yourself with those who have put themselves in harms way to stand with LRH.
      • [​IMG] Jim Logan | August 15, 2010 at 3:04 am |
        Sam,
        Sweetheart, that’s more comeback than I could muster. Youch.
      • [​IMG] Eileen Clark | August 15, 2010 at 4:09 am |
        Allen Stanfield?
        I don’t know who you are, but I’m sure that to some you are important and listened to. Not knowing you except by this posting, I must say that it comes off as whiny, nattery, self-important and shouts of overts against Marty or Mike or anyone else here who agrees with and supports them. I am not able to determine just what the purpose of your communication was other than to natter and attempt to make yourself seem better somehow. That is how it came across to someone who doesn’t know anything about you. Don’t know who you thought you were speaking for, but it certainly wasn’t on my behalf or on the behalf of anyone I know because they all know how to speak up on their own behalf as do I. Who do you represent, exactly?
        Just askin…
        Eileen
      • [​IMG] ΘTater/GaryLerner | August 15, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
        Allen,
        I can see you as an auditor with your pc in session… “The pc itsa’s his overts and other problems bothering him. You ack him and tell him his needle is floating. You end session. After leaving the auditing room you escort your pc to the examiner and tell your pc what a fucking idiot he is for doing those things that he confessed to you and then you slap him also.”
        Gee… I wonder where your tone is? It sure isn’t at a point where it would be a help to anyone! I think you think like DM! Every which way but SANE!
        Shoves and Pisses,
        Gary (a villager who doesn’t like his friends undeservedly maligned)
        P.S. Remember Allen, Sam’s got a ball bat and singing a tune – “someone’s gonna get it…” (the rest of us are waiting our turn at bat!)
      • [​IMG] one of those who see | August 15, 2010 at 8:29 pm |
        Hi Allen,
        From 1950 forward, special people rose up and took the time and the effort to find out about Dianetics and then Scientology. We were/are the ones who could see. I see us ALL as a 3rd dynamic. I don’t know about you, but to this day I am the only one in my family that is a Scientologist. Then the church went off the rails and the way I see it, we are all responsible. The other day I went to a location where a Mission used to be. That Mission HOlder got declared and the mission closed many years ago now. I was public and staff there. Standing at that old location, I realized that when the Mission Holder was declared, I just abandoned him. I didn’t even investigate the declare for myself. Major case gain when I spotted this overt from my 1st year in Scientology.
        We are growing up as a group and there are growing pains. Marty was willing take on huge responsibility for Scientology. More than most of us. And he is still doing it! I understand that some, maybe lots of people have ARCx s with him from his SO days. The answer would be for those Individuals to get in comm with him. And also to please LOOK at what he is saying & doing in PT. He has put himself in harm’s way to fix things.
      • [​IMG] Cat Daddy | August 15, 2010 at 8:31 pm |
        I think alot of people should meet eachoter and talk. See it as some kind of Reünion rundown. Allen why dont you mail Marty for a visit at the shack. I am sure he makes yoiu a cup of coffee at least.
      • [​IMG] Jim Logan | August 15, 2010 at 8:53 pm |
        Brad H,
        That was an incredible, inspiring post/response.
      • [​IMG] martyrathbun09 | August 15, 2010 at 9:56 pm |
        I agree
      • Victoria | August 15, 2010 at 11:16 pm | Well, I can’t believe how many rabid bites you got out of that simple comment Allen.
        Explains why I don’t find as much time for this blog anymore.
        Allen your communication did not enturbulate me. I mean really Marty? Are you talking about this comment Allen made?
        All of you? You’re kidding right?
        Yep, scientologists can really be a special brand of assholes.
        GOOD GRIEF!

        [​IMG] martyrathbun09 | August 15, 2010 at 11:55 pm |
        Victoria, I am talking about a ten month history of this guy making baseless charges about me. I am simply honestly answering a question posed to me by someone who has been straight with me and contributed greatly to this blog.
    • [​IMG] LEX LUTHER | August 15, 2010 at 1:40 pm | Reply
      You go Girl..
     
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  7. smartone

    smartone My Own Boss

    What's going on here? And who is Sam the girl in the fishing pictures? :wacko::dizzy:
     
  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

  9. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Smart One,

    It's a Sunday afternoon revival of West Side Story - you know, the classic story of the Jets and the Sharks.

    At http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/pimps-prostitutes-and-disconnection/

    Alanzo (of the Sharks) went across the border to rumble. He did some fancy Sharkey footwork at a Jets dance, and one of the Jet-girls got all up in his face. And then some of the other Jets backed her up.

    And Alanzo came jumping back over the fence into Shark-friendly territory.

    Now he's looking for Mr. Krupke to lodge a complaint against the Jets for getting all up in his face.

    TG1
     
  10. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I'll take any kind of name-calling, any kind of ridicule on-line in response to what I write. I dish it out a lot, and I can certainly take it.

    But I draw the line at threats of violence.

    Later on down the comments that I posted here, Victoria questions Marty about the spewing response by his cult followers to my post on his blog, and Marty justifies it.

    See comments in red.
     
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  11. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    Alanzo,

    You are so completely full of crap that your eyeballs must have turned solid brown by now.

    Gary Lerner was making a humorous reference to this comment by "Sudden" Sam on the Murder Outs thread.

    [QUOTE="Sudden" Sam]
    Marty,
    In reference to the quote that ‘Pocohontas’ found today:

    “a friend will calm you down when you’re angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing “someones gonna get it”
    [/QUOTE]

    Which is about loyalty from one's friends.

    Nobody has threatened you with violence upon your person - and I reckon you know it perfectly well.

    Michael A. Hobson
     
  12. Pooks

    Pooks MERCHANT OF CHAOS

    Marty shows his true colors. He's despicable.
     
  13. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    you're wrong, he addreaessed it to Allen. But you probably didn't see that.
     
  14. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Was the part about "(the rest of us are waiting our turn at bat!)" part of the song, too?

    You don't make violent threats on the Internet, Hobson.

     
  15. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    Alanzo is so cute. I think we should kiss-bomb him.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. skollie

    skollie Silver Meritorious Patron

    and he's a prick. :thumbsup:
    The people who responded were like a pack of wolves and reminded me very much of how someone still in the CoS would respond.
     
  17. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    This is disturbing on many levels and highlights the problems anyone who has seriously been involved with scientology have when they suddenly find they have the power of speech again. Who do you direct the rage against?

    Not being able to change the organisation from within, people either quietly figure out some of the issues for themselves and with the help of other exes, or look for a leader to spearhead a correction of whatever they perceive to be wrong with scio.

    Alanzo I don't think there is anything wrong with your comment, besides being provocative of course. I know you like to plant words in a certain way to see what will happen, and I have been caught in the resulting crossfire myself at times. And if I am totally honest with myself, it helped point out some blind spots we can all have on the subject of groups....and "groups" are one of the issues that need to be examined.

    If I could be bothered - which I can't as it would make me puke - I'd analyse the incredibly indoctrinated responses, which are really appalling from out here. The one that stands out is the inference that Marty is/was just the instrument of a needed motivator. I mean WTF???

    Wake up peoples on Marty's blog - you are still in the grip of the scientology group blinkers and still being herded with incomplete info. If you want to practice scio "tech", then do it quietly for yourself. You don't need a leader who was once an attack dog and is now positioned himself as the Saviour of Scientology, seemingly reveling in having a pack of people howling with venom at anyone who disagrees with him.

    Fucking sad.
     
  18. Big Farmer

    Big Farmer Patron with Honors

    I think what's being suggested here Alanzo, is that you'll have to use your OT powers and memorise the whole of Marty's blog so that these silly misunderstandings can be avoided.
     
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  19. degraded being

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    I guess I, and many others have had an MU on "unconditional love" :confused2:
     
  20. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    If I was OSA, I would be laughing my ass off right now.....

    [​IMG]
     
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