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Tony Orterga finally reviews Marty's book

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Mimsey Borogrove, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

  2. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Can't wait for Marty's response, lol!
  3. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Skip Press weighs in:

  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Two posts re. the review from the 'MartyWorld Tech' thread:

  5. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    From a 1981 Clearwater Sun Article by none other than Richard Leiby, now of the Washington Post.


    From United States District Judge Leonie Brinkema from RTC vs Lerma LINK

    arnie lerma

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities
    Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    I just read the entire review and, IMO, it was an pretty insightful review.

    A few comments (some minor):

    It was Hubbard who initiated the "rhythmic swing" of the needle (3 swings in other words) as the only valid definition for an FN. That was 1978. There's an entire thread on ESMB about this.

    Sec Checks began in 1961 not 1965, and were used abusively by Hubbard, not only to make "round ball bearings" out of Scientologists, but to collect black-mailable information.

    Rathbun really had no choice but to address the "Xenu problem" in the book, and Ortega, I think, does not fall for Rathbun's attempted PR "handling" of it. (At least not entirely.)

    Ortega sees that Marty is "tap dancing" and - in effect - double talking, but is impressed with some of the book, in that, as he sees it, the book will be a breakthrough for about-to-be-out CofS Scientologists, etc.

    Unfortunately, the book contains enough ambiguity and weasel-wording to create even more confusion in the minds of recent escapees from the CofS - and one more important point:

    IMO, this book was also written to influence people like Tony Ortega, with, for example, such nonsense as "Incident 1" of OT 3 is a "metaphor."

    I hope Ortega realizes that he, also, has been "targeted" for "handling."

    Fortunately, I think Rathbun's "handling" of Ortega has been only slightly effective - but not completely ineffective. I would say it's about 80% ineffective. However, that 20% effective is a bit worrisome. (But not too worrisome. :))

    As we know, Scientology fights long wars of attrition.

    A 20% "handling" (of a "wog opinion leader") is still a "handling."

    I wonder if Rathbun will publish this review on his blog?

    And, to be optimistic, maybe Ortega's review will affect Rathbun in a way that Rathbun doesn't expect. Maybe it will nudge along his (stalled) "deprogramming."

    Or, maybe Rathbun will simply become more clever, more slick, sneakier, and sharpen his use of angles and ploys. If so that would be a disappointment.

    Time will tell.
  7. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    And then, of course, there is The South Park Episode about XENU and Tom Cruise in the Closet..


    Click above to load a 36 Meg Real Media version, or put full url below into browser, enjoy!
  8. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks a bunch for puttin' this up, Mimsey. :thumbsup:

    I read TO's Review today and, as usual, it's a well crafted, thoughtful and first class professional piece of work.:clap:

    I also read some of the comments and was gonna make a comment here once someone put up a Thread about it that folks should read what Skip had to say.:yes:

    I knew Skip in passing...a sure enough fine feller...and IMHO he's sure enough tellin' like it was and is.

    Last edited: Jul 17, 2012
  9. Excellent Review

    The entire body of Hubbard's material on Dianetics and Scientology from day one until present time, can be summed up in six words

    "Let me see a motherfucking Clear."
  10. TEoS

    TEoS Patron with Honors

    I can do it in two: Horse shit.

    (I could do it in one, but I'm trying to be polite!)