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Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Div6, Jan 22, 2008.

  1. Lovinglife625

    Lovinglife625 Patron with Honors

    That was a heck of a video.

    Sadly I cannot find anything in that video about organized scientology that I think is incorrect.

    The following from Factnet about this I thought was interesting:

    "New Hacker’s Video Vowed to dismantle Tom Cruise’s Cult (Scientology) in Cyber War. It has Begun, but What does it Mean? Latest Links Here!
    Tom Cruise’s Scientology Cult has mercilessly waged a well documented all-out war on Internet free speech, internet critics and the democratized flow of information on the Net for years. It has also ruthlessly bullied and cowered Internet corporations and media into submission. It now appears that an extra-legal karmic Scientology pay-back may be delivered in the ironic form of the “Anonymous” Hackers group and other renegade cyber-warriors. Why? Simply because these individuals want to punish the Internet’s biggest bully and at the same time make “big-time” hacker names for themselves. There are many important Internet and social lessons that can be learned from what this raging new cyber war might mean to us all…
    Some would say that Scientology has completely created this problem for itself by its own outrageous and abusive actions. Others readily admit that it is a problem that no person or business that uses a computer or the Internet would ever in a million years want to face.
    Imagine the nightmare of continuous hacking attempts on Scientology’s websites, computers, cell phones and faxes by hordes of highly-motivated, world class hackers. Now imagine that because of the new hacker’s video Scientology will now have to also begin searching and watching every new person entering every one of its worldwide centers for cell phones or laptops. This is because the angry and infamously creative hackers will quickly look to access Scientology’s unguarded internal computers by appearing to be new members.
    Because Scientology also runs a very nasty full-fledged intelligence agency with a budget rivaling that of many larger countries, hackers that bring down Scientology’s near intelligence agency secure websites and computer systems will not only be held in the highest awe by their hacker peers, but they will also come onto the radar screens of high paying recruiters for American and foreign intelligence agencies not to mention the many global corporations looking to recruit those very same intelligences and skills to protect their own secure systems. Every time Scientology is hacked it will certainly spend more of the hundreds of millions of dollars it has stolen from its brainwashed victims on better computer and web security systems paradoxically attracting even more skilled hackers and further increasing the successful hacker “big time” name status or hacker “merit badge” value of bringing down the newest Scientology website of computer system.
    On an even deeper level relevant to the new cyber war era, every major world government with a cyber warfare division will be intently watching and using this real, cyber war as a training classroom for its own cyber attach, propaganda and counter cyber attack classes. Hacking Scientology’s computers and websites is likely to become not only the most famous initiation right that demonstrates you’re a skilled hacker, it might even become the unofficial minimum requirement for passing government cyber warrior training and for going on the payroll as a sanctioned cyber warfare hacker for the intelligence community.
    What does this huge cyber war mean to the Internet? It appears to be an ongoing lesson that is still being written. There has never been a more public call and challenge to hackers all over the world like this before. There has never been more publicity on the skills and power of the hacker consortium ( in just a day there was over 1 million hits on the full length “Anonymous” Scientology hacker video just at alone.)
    The Internet community and the world will without doubt be closely watching the Scientology websites and listening for reports of crashed systems. The Internet and world will also be watching to see if Scientology counter-attacks with its own covert hacking and counter propaganda ever harder (as is fully expected,) or if it surprises everyone and chooses a new de-escalating course.
    Does Scientology deserve the Internet version of the Sisyphus punishment--- having your computers and websites continually infected and dismantled for all of the Internet’s eternity? (Sisyphus was a mythical king punished by the Gods. His punishment was to roll a huge boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll down again, and repeat this frustrating action throughout eternity.)
    Hundreds of millions of Internet users and many internet companies probably believe in private that Scientology does deserve what it’s getting from the hackers because of its all-out war on Internet free speech, internet critics and the democratized flow of information over the Net. Millions of individual Scientology victims around the world probably also think Scientology does deserve not only the hacker’s Sisyphus punishment but much, much more as well.
    Our organization Factnet does not believe that anyone or any organization deserves the absolute technology nightmare that the world’s most skilled hackers are and will continue to deliver to Scientology without a foreseeable end. It is just too much. We also do not condone breaking the law in any form, by anyone! What the hackers are doing is revenge and retribution not justice.
    We do feel that covering this story and its many perspectives is vital to both public safety and ongoing dialog concerning critical issues of pubic concern on the Internet. We feel that this story is so important to Internet social issues that we are continuously adding dated new content and links --- so check back to it regularly!
    The Story History:
    The following hacker’s story links will bring you up to date in sequence on the “Anonymous” Hackers and Tom Cruise videos and the many new stories coming out relating to the “Anonymous” Hacker’s current hacks on Scientology. They are arranged in a descending order from first stores to the most current breaking news.
    “Anonymous” Hackers Vow to “systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form.”
    C/ by Robert Vamosi January 24, 2008
    A copyright violation claim by the Church of Scientology against the posting of one of its videos to YouTube has prompted a full-on assault by a group calling itself Anonymous. The video, in which Tom Cruise proclaims, in part, that Scientologists are the only experts on the mind, was pulled by YouTube over the weekend at the request of the Church of Scientology as part of a long-standing effort to keep copyrighted material from appearing on the Internet. Other sites have since posted the Cruise video in full.
    In response to the take-down of the Cruise video, a group of vigilantes–calling themselves Anonymous, or Anon–have retaliated against what they consider to be Internet censorship. The group includes computer experts capable of Internet mischief. In recent days, local chapter sites for the Church of Scientology have been defaced, and in some cases denial of service attacks have also prevented access to the same sites. Real-world attacks have included fax-spamming those same offices.
    As an explanation for these attacks, Anonymous posted its own video to YouTube. In the video, a computer-generated voice speaks over a rolling cloudscape, effectively putting the Church of Scientology on notice:
    “Over the years, we have been watching you, your campaigns of misinformation, your suppression of dissent, your litigious nature. All of these things have caught our eye.
    “With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who have come to trust you as leaders has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed, for the good of your followers, for the good of mankind, and for our own enjoyment.
    “We shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form.”
    The video ends, with the following statement:
    “We are Anonymous
    We are legion
    We do not forgive
    We do not forget.
    Expect us.”
    Watch The Video HERE!
    The Church of Scientology, founded in 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard, is not without previous controversy on the Internet. In 1996, it sued Internet service provider Netcom (now a part of EarthLink) over copyrighted texts posted to the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. The case was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. In 2003, the Church of Scientology attempted to sue a Dutch woman and her ISP over similar writings but lost. The Dutch case, had it ended differently, could have changed the way ISPs handle third-party links by its customers. In 2007, writer Keith Henson was arrested as a fugitive. Under a California law that criminalizes any threat against someone else’s “free exercise” of religion, Henson was convicted in 2001 for making a comment on the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup about sending a “Tom Cruise” missile to destroy the Scientology camp.
    A Web site called Project Chanology details present actions and those in the works by Anonymous and others.
    Click here for a quick overview of the war’s early history"Anonymous"_performs_denial_of_service_attacks_on_Scientology_websites

    ***editors note: This story has really “HIT THE FAN!!!” It’s all over the net and the press. Fox news is now claiming these hackers are attacking innocent “My Space” users…What is one to believe? How powerful or far reaching is Scientologys anti-propaganda machine???
    FoxNews on youtube
    There are all kinds of youtube video responses to the FOX story and who knows who is making these now. It’s a “media circus” out of control…and the crazies are coming out of the woodwork….
    Get the “Straight dope” on Wiki News!!!CLICK HERE!!!
    Here are some more links to the story…
    This editorial/opinion/news alert has been provided or distributed by FACTNet, Inc. (Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network.) Please visit our web site at if you would like to comment on this editorial/opinion/news alert or to share your personal experiences. Re-distribution and re-posting of this document using proper net etiquette when doing so, is appreciated!
    If you have something you would like Factnet to consider posting in our editorial/opinion/news story email it to . Be sure to put Factnet Story Submission in the subject line so it gets to the proper editors.
    Factnet’s mission is to be the largest online news and referral service as well as research archive for defending freedom of thought and mind from all forms of unethical influence tactics, mind control and mental coercion/torture used in destructive cults and fundamentalist groups. Since 1993 millions have been helped. FACTNet is a tax deductible, IRS Approved 501(c)(3) non profit organization.
    For breaking news, personal stories, recovery information, support groups, and expert referrals relating to our mission please visit our web site at If you would like to view over 350,000 postings on various cults, comment on this editorial/opinion/news or to share your personal experiences, go to one of our many various message boards at
    F.A.C.T.Net, Inc. PO Box 1315 , Ignacio, CO. 81137 USA, E-mail: "
  2. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    Suicide BS

    If I were DM I'd relocate COS to a banana republic. Or go back at Sea.
  3. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I cant get this link to work. Anyone?
  4. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Works for me. Its a page with the first "Anonymous" video embedded from Youtube.
  5. namaste

    namaste Silver Meritorious Patron

    Just something to try:
    • F6
    • Delete
    • Copy and paste link below into browser address bar
    • Hit "Go" arrow
  6. Wintermute

    Wintermute New Member

    I'm new here but I know a bit about some of these internet "groups" in the scene. "Anonymous" is not an official group which is why it's so powerful and untouchable by scientology. Anonymous is basically comprised of a large cross section of young internet forum goers who visit various "alternative" social forums. It's hard to describe what these forums are about but they are basically places where generation Y and X'ers can get together to shoot the breeze on just about anything. It also attracts a large percentage of subversive types (hackers, phreaks, anarchists, vandals, skinheads, music scenesters, etc..) that take on causes such as the "anonymous" war.

    Just think of it as a massive amoral grassroots campaign from the best and worst the internet has to offer.

    This war against Scientology is basically because they hate anything that restricts the internet or personal freedom. Scientology is regarded as a giant money making cult seeking to censor and prosecute. You have to remember that Anonymous is comprised of tens of thousands of cynical teens and twenty somethings who grew up in the era of media/video games/etc. Scientology is a joke to them and they won't be swayed by legal threats or moral appeals, it's how should I say.."fair game" :D and no quarter will be given nor will quarter be asked. Scientology basically picked a fight with a completely amoral cynical bunch of young people who won't even think twice about using every tactic in the book to stomp on a big moneyed cult like Scientology.

    In the past Anonymous has gone after big corporations like Gamestop and completely destroyed the extremist racist Hal Turner. They do it for the laughs but they also tend to get some very successful results. You may not agree with the tactics but you definitely want these people on your side.
  7. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Thanks for posting a less than 'You will be assimilated' post :)

    The people who have been opposing the 'Church' of Scientology for decades appreciate the increased attention to the issue, because, that's what will finally force the agencies entrusted with protection of society from rabid parasites like the 'Church' to actually act.

    Naturally, those same police agencies are *not* the natural 'friends' of anarchistic bug-fuck-crazy anarchists, but, in the final analysis, that's what's necessary to taking the 'Church' down.

    And, they *won't* do their jobs until enough people demand it, and, in that sense, the 'anon' actions may be a help.

    In publicity. The attacks on Scientology sites are practically worthless, except as 'publicity', since the Cult isn't an 'internet' evil.

    This is all so 'deja-vu'. :omg:

    Back when the 'Church' so cleverly tried to eliminate ARS, it sucked in thousands of free-speech crazies who had to *learn* what and how to oppose it. It was a painful process, with no shortage of very real victims.

    'Anon' isn't coming out of the blue; it's merely the *latest* evolution, and, if we seem staid and fearful; well, for the most part we're just older, and not really terribly frightened at all.

    We just don't play hockey on the freeway unless there's a better reason to do so than the lovely noises :)

    Nothing stops Scientology like knowledge. Yours; ours; everybody's

  8. chipgallo

    chipgallo Patron Meritorious

    I didn't read all the posts on this, so excuse any redundancy or omitted understanding.

    It isn't at all clear to me how anarchy or more terrorism helps us deal with a manipulative international cult. None of organizational Scientology's business model depends on internet resources. Make them use more legal or detective consulting and they will simply shift money to focus on defense and reinforcing their perimeter. A few Anonymii will get to see the insides of courtrooms and jail cells.

    The weaknesses of corporate Scientology are well documented. Go after them with all the marbles and don't be distracted.

    Back to the SAG awards ...
  9. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist


    It is obvious to me that "they" are going to do whatever they want to do in their own individual ways.

    BTW, I think that the latest video from them that I saw was actually the best one so far.
  10. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

  11. Wintermute

    Wintermute New Member

    If you take a look at what they're trying to do there is a method to the madness. Just remember that Scientology derives much of its power through words (brainwashing), organization (marketing, recruiting, indoctrination), and
    "fair game" legal harassment. Anonymous nullifies much of it.

    Scientology's resources are being tied up in playing whack-a-mole with a nameless enemy. They are probably trying to build cases and shotgunning evidence against a handful of kids at the moment. If it goes public it will just cause more outrage and notoriety because non activist "civilians" were drawn into their litigation. They are digging themselves deeper and committing more resources against a large number of anonymous people. IT security and infrastructural countermeasures costs big money to upkeep.

    Anonymous doesn't seem to be made up of just a bunch of script kiddies either. There are some extremely competent people amongst them. That's how movements like this operate. You have a big wall of agitators and a few creative/smart minds doing the real stuff. Just read about how Hal Turner got put down like a rabid dog to get an idea of how it works.

    My opinion is Scientology is too big to get brought down this way but even if the larger movement peters out there will be lots of people continuing to work behind the scenes. I read that the siege against Hal Turner lasted more than half a year. He also tried to file a bunch of court injunctions and play the legal game. All to no avail..because *surprise* there was no single entity he could pinpoint as the adversary.

    No matter what happens the negative/controversial publicity has left another big fat black mark on Scientology's name. All they need is to be recognized as "that shady cult" in society's consciousness for it to hamper their efforts. This effects their future recruiting drives and retention which translates out to potential income and cult bodies. Their advantages at abusing the legal system will also get more difficult as the public becomes more aware of what their game is.
  12. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    The only problem I see with what you're saying is that Scientology is not only *expert* at exploiting PR, (if not 'creating' it) but already well established in the 'halls of government and media' thanks to heavy use of tax-exempt millions spent.

    The worst thing about the 'anon' effort is the sheer naivete involved. Yes; if it were an honest game, Scientology would be a dead piece. It's internally inconsistent; inherently criminal (per dogma) and inevitably dishonest.

    For some reason, people seem to think that exposing that alone will be enough :)

    The Cult has had 50 years and probably as many billions of dollars to 'prepare the Safe Point'. It buys judges and legislators and media magnates as necessary.

    If this sounds libelous... well, so what. Scientology *is* a criminal conspiracy, and, I dare the Cult to sue me for saying so.

    But, they won't; because it's too easy to demonstrate the validity of the claim, if not enough to force the corrupted or lazy criminal enforcement agencies to act on it.

    Come on Scientology; I've just called you a Criminal Conspiracy. Sue me :)

  13. svonhatten

    svonhatten Patron with Honors

    OTIII and OTVIII videos have been flooding youtube, google, and God knows where else. :coolwink:

    Good job for them. Maybe Helatrobus and Marcabians will be known as much as Xenu in a couple months. They've just gotta keep it up. :happydance:

    Nice try on Scientology trying to block Internet usage (or maybe a couple of Anon traitors), but it didn't work. Or maybe I'm just paranoid... :confused2:

  14. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I would suggest (and have) that Anonymous concentrate on exposing CofS abuses against individuals.

    Wacky religious dogma are not unique to Scientology. The Xenu story has been mainstream for 20 years or more. Laughing at strange religious beliefs does not have a strong moral foundation.

    Exposing things like disconnection, with specific examples, does.

  15. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    One if their new graphics:

  16. petraph33

    petraph33 Patron with Honors

    This might be what some of them need as a wake up call. Let's hope it does blow some fuses. :unsure:
  17. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Gee; look what else is there...


  18. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    One in a trillion Zinj :hysterical: ..............excuse me but I think I wet myself.
  19. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Ok Anon.

    We gots new hardware.

    Bring on the Digg machine!
  20. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Don't much care for this kind of thing although it did put me in mind of a quote from Scott Henderson (awesomely talented musician) where he stated that he wouldn't work with CHick Corea again even if Chick allowed him to piss on a photo of Hubbard at the front of the stage. Also, Scott really loves dogs. :)