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What Was Marty's Role in Trying to Stop the Australian Inquiry?

Discussion in 'Australia and New Zealand' started by Alanzo, May 13, 2010.

  1. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    If you Google >>> rathbun xenophon<<< that will bring up all the posts on WWP including the words "rathbun" AND "xenophon". Tweak the search parameters as needed.

  2. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    I'm trying to find it... from what threads i've retread so far, seems my recollection was slightly off - there was several missing posts when marty's blog got recovered from the hack attack, and the one that caused the biggest fuss at that time was the Lisa/McBribe post.

    i could of swore anons reposted several posts from google cache that had gone missing, but finding it in the mass amount of anti-marty posts on wwp is like dissecting mount everest to find a specific handful dirt.
  3. rhill

    rhill Patron with Honors

    I wrote BBC Panorama to make a few points re. what has been reported on MR's blog, the more who pitch in the better I suppose. BBC Panorama doesn't reply because of course we can imagine how much they are flooded with email, but I trust that ultimately they will be able to see through the MRs propaganda (Hubbard = good/DM = bad.)
  4. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    The Cat had the sense to copy paste some bits. All hail to the Cat lol

    On December 3, 2009, Lise O’Kane of Brisbane, Australia officially
    resigned from the Church of Scientology explaining, “I was
    absolutely disgusted with what David Miscavige has done to our
    precious technology. With Reverse Dianetics and Reverse Scientology
    destroying so many lives worldwide, I realized some time ago the
    source of that plague was David Miscavige himself.”

    A Scientologist for more than 10 years, well respected and well
    liked throughout Scientology down under, Lise is a highly-skilled
    auditor and fully-interned Golden Age of Tech Class IV C/S who did
    her tech internship at AOSH ANZO. For the last five years, she held
    the posts of Tech Case Supervisor and Auditor in Brisbane org.

    Lise O’Kane was also Ed McBride’s auditor. For those of you who
    don’t know, Ed McBride was a soldier in the Australian army who was
    soaring after having just completed his auditing program in
    February 2007. Ed decided to take a day off and inexplicably was
    found dead 24 hours later. No one knows what happened. While his
    death was unrelated to his auditing, the Church’s irresponsible,
    secretive and evasive responses, coupled with the horrendous
    revelations of crush regging and human rights abuses worldwide
    convinced many that the Church had something to hide.

    Lise was deeply saddened at the Church’s attitude in regards to the
    McBride’s tragic loss (and as yet unexplained death of their son
    and brother) and how it was all about the protection of the Church
    and no care for the individual.

    When the Church received the news that Lise was going to resign,
    they sent in people to handle her from leaving. Like many staff
    they were being kept in the dark with no idea what was really going
    on in the world. So Lise took the opportunity to enlighten them, by
    handing them a copy of “What happened to training?” from Friends of LRH website.

    Finally free from the Church’s suppressive control as dictated by
    David Miscavige, Lise did what any normal human being would do, she
    reached out to the Ed McBride’s family expressing her own sorrow
    and condolences for their loss.

    Lise is now an INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST. Visit to read her official resignation
    from the Church of Scientology, written December 3, 2009, but just
    posted today.

    She can be reached at


    And the cached comments:

    54 responses so far ↓

    SherryMK // December 23, 2009 at 3:18 am | Reply

    Welcome Lise! You are one heck of a fireball!!! I LOVE it! Thanks for standing up and saying NO, I will NOT be silent any longer. Thanks for having the courage to say what you observed and to tell it like you saw it. Thanks for having the guts to come out publically, making it safer for others to do so…great to have you here. Love, Sherry

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:27 am | Reply

    Hi Sherry, Thanks. Proud to be accepted as part of the group. Have a great xmas. Love Lise

    Dagny // December 23, 2009 at 3:24 am | Reply

    Dear Lise,

    You have my deepest respect and admiration.

    Thank you for saying “NO”

    Jim Logan // December 23, 2009 at 4:52 am | Reply

    Though I would have the circumstances different, I’m still very pleased to meet you and with all the truth you bring to the mix, this is an even better Christmas than it was shaping up to be.

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:28 am | Reply

    Certainly made my Xmas glad its improved yours as well. Have a good one Love Lise

    Alex // December 23, 2009 at 5:02 am | Reply

    Awesome Lise!!

    It is great seeing upstat people like you telling it like it is!


    Irene // December 23, 2009 at 5:16 am | Reply

    Hi Lise,

    that is quite a story.

    His auditing was fine, and I believe you.

    There is a young and healthy guy who does well in auditing, and then he “kills himself” just like that? Makes no sense.

    C of S tried to milk him but was he that kind of guy who would rather kill himself than unplugging the phone?

    Nobody knows what happened but do you have a suspicion?


    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 11:24 pm | Reply

    Hi Irene, Yes I do have my own thoughts on what happened however as the case is not closed I cannot comment. Thank you for believing me Irene and hopefully I can answer your questions in the future. Have a wonderful Xmas

    tamphex // December 23, 2009 at 5:43 am | Reply

    Congratulations for seeing the Organization of Scientology for what it truly is; criminal and cowardly. I would be very interested in corresponding with you Lise, please contact me at the earliest convenience.

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:30 am | Reply

    my email address is there for you

    Pirate // December 23, 2009 at 7:28 am | Reply

    Aussie, Aussie, Aussie…… Oi, Oi, Oi……

    TRUTH // December 23, 2009 at 7:51 am | Reply

    Wow! What a power house you are Lise!

    Thank you for standing up and speaking up the truth.

    Tom // December 23, 2009 at 9:08 am | Reply


    Here is what IS known about the death of Edward McBride:…1027-hih7.html

    “Between the completion of his auditing course on February 5 and his death two days later, Church of Scientology members called and texted Mr McBride 19 times.

    The contents of the calls and SMS messages is not fully known, after data including voicemail messages left on his PDA were irretrievably lost when the device’s battery went dead.

    But police had listened to them, and told the inquest they included “forceful” demands for Mr McBride to urgently attend the church to complete his spiritual training, as well as a warning US-based Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard “would not approve”.

    “You are putting another person’s job at risk through your actions,” was one account.

    “It is not kosher for you to be out of contact with me. You really should come in for an audit.”

    And: “This is not good enough. You need to call me. You are going to get me into a lot of trouble. You need to come in now, we need to get this sorted out.””

    More at the link above.

    I for one would like a full accounting (per KSW #1) of WHAT DID occur? What WAS run?
    Was he in fact red tagged?

    And why were his folders removed from the country?

    Honesty is the road to sanity.
    Welcome Lise. I hope you can shed some light on this.

    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 11:22 pm | Reply

    just remember the press has twisted things. The case is not closed so I cannot comment at this stage

    Jackson // December 24, 2009 at 7:22 pm | Reply

    Have you read the coroner’s report? It’s here:

    Axiom142 // December 23, 2009 at 9:24 am | Reply

    Thank you Lise for having the courage to stand up and be counted. It must have been very difficult to make this decision, knowing that many of your friends might shun you and that your church would try and smear your character.

    But everyone who stands up and says “Enough!” makes it easier for everyone else. And hopefully your example will prompt others to start looking at what is really happening in the CoS.

    It would be great to hear about what life is like being staff in an org on the front lines. We’ve heard that many of the Aussie public have left and that most of the orgs are in desperate trouble. Can you confirm this?


    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Reply

    hello, Not sure about all aussie Orgs but I know a lot and I mean alot of public have just drifted off the lines quietly not “officially” leaving but just sitting around “waiting for the Org to change”. I think “Hmm, where’s wait on the Know to mystery scale”. I think a lot of people don’t actually know whats going on and believe that the Church Bridge is the only Bridge and don’t want to give up their “only” option to freedom. I will be working on that one in my area. Aussie Orgs on a whole I believe are all doing badly with possibly the exception of Melbourne but not sure

    IndieScio // December 23, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Reply

    Lise, do you think the psychs might have been involved in Ed’s death? The news reports said he complained of stress and bullying previously, so they might have seen this as an opportunity to make Scientology look bad. Just wondered.

    Heather // December 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm | Reply

    Hi IndieScio, my perception is that most psychiatrists and psychologists who have heard of Scientology simply ignore it.

    Ed McBride was in the army – the elite Special Air Service. He would have had stress on the job and may have experienced bullying there too.

    HandymanJoe // December 23, 2009 at 5:03 pm | Reply

    I think IndieScio got a point.

    LRH never would have approved of the Aussie C of S non-Scientological behavior to bother the man beyond belief with calls but Ed was a stable guy and would no have killed himself over that.

    C of S wanting Ed dead? Nah, they rather want his money and no new scandal. They got so many already.

    Could enemies of Scientologists be involved? I think so. (Let’s not forget that C of S and Indie-Scientologists do have still common enemies and our religion, the tech and LRH is the main target. Just read the insane hatred that Anonymous is posting!)

    Don’t want to open old wounds, Marty, but your Mom’s death could have been a psychiatric experience on her too. They know how to confuse people and drive them over the edge.

    Johann Benedikt // December 23, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Let’s not forget, that Co$ is the entity who had something to hide and therefore send Ed’s church files to the US, so that the Australian authorities could not get a hold of them, not “the psychs”.
    Surely Co$ has had no problems to release so called “priest pertinent” confidential auditing files in the past.

    Cat Daddy // December 23, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    To HandymanJoe:

    “C of S wanting Ed dead? Nah, they rather want his money and no new scandal”

    So thrue.

    “L. R. H. in Clearing Procedure, 1957:

    “The work was free. Keep it so.”

    Therefore, although we have no such stature as the Great Philosophies, I charge you with this – look to source writings, not to interpretations. Look to the original work, not offshoots.

    If I have fought for a quarter of a century, most of it alone, to keep this work from serving to uphold the enslavers of Man, to keep it free from some destructive “pitch” or slant, then you certainly can carry that motif a little further.

    I’ll not always be here on guard. The stars twinkle in the Milky Way and the wind sighs for songs across the empty fields of a planet a Galaxy away.

    You won’t always be here.

    But before you go, whisper this to your sons and their sons – “The work was free. Keep it so.””
    L. Ron Hubbard quote

    “Don’t want to open old wounds,”But yet you go on doing excactley that.

    “Could enemies of Scientologists be involved? I think so. (Let’s not forget that C of S and Indie-Scientologists do have still common enemies and our religion, the tech and LRH is the main target. Just read the insane hatred that Anonymous is posting!)”

    LOOK closer at COB without COB no protests.

    Bishop Desmond Tutu:
    I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.

    “LRH never would have approved of the Aussie C of S non-Scientological behavior to bother the man beyond belief with calls but Ed was a stable guy and would no have killed himself over that. ”

    “The freedom of an individual depends upon that individual’s freedom to alter his considerations of space, energy, time and life and his roles in it. If he cannot change his mind about these, he is then fixed and enslaved amidst barriers such as those of the physical universe, and barriers of his own creation. Man thus is seen to be enslaved by barriers of his own creation. He creates these barriers himself, or by agreeing with things which hold these barriers to be actual.”
    L. Ron Hubbard

    To Heather:

    “Lise, do you think the psychs might have been involved in Ed’s death? The news reports said he complained of stress and bullying previously, so they might have seen this as an opportunity to make Scientology look bad. Just wondered.

    “There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is, seeing something that isn’t there.”
    L. Ron Hubbard quote

    Jim Logan // December 24, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Bing, bang, boom. Spot on.

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:33 am | Reply

    Cat daddy says it all.

    “There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is, seeing something that isn’t there.”
    L. Ron Hubbard quote

    tamphex // December 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Reply

    “an opportunity to make Scientology look bad” – why make any effort at all when the Organization of Scientology excels at doing that just by their behavior alone?
    This knee jerk reaction of blaming the “psychs” for anything bad is absolutely ridiculous, if not an excellent example of paranoia & been told what to think by the CoS. The orgs are emptying, the public is becoming more and more weary of the bait & switch tactics. The Organization of Scientology will be pushed out of our nation in due course.

    And that will have NOTHING to do with the “psychs”; that will be the result of us the citizens having enough of this Organization and it’s disregard to basic human rights.

    Huckleberry // December 24, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Tamphex, I forlornly agree that under the DM reign, basic human rights are denied to SO members, but please don’t hold up the psychiatric community as the beacon.

    Let’s not forget the scores of unfortunate souls who’ve been strapped to tables and had their brains fried in the name of medical progress.

    WH // December 23, 2009 at 1:19 pm | Reply

    Hello Lise. Your resignation letter is inspiring in its punch, simplicity and clarity.

    Have you considered just faxing it to as many newspapers as you can — with a note on the top — for immediate release

    It is already a perfect press release.

    With love,

    Heather // December 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Reply

    That’s a wonderful resignation letter, Lise. You have called it as you’ve seen it.


    Huckleberry // December 23, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Reply

    Lise, you’ve kept your integrity in, which is the senior datum.

    I can’t believe that a reg cycle – however unpleasant – would drive a soldier to suicide.

    Did Ed blow after completing his auditing? Did he attest? Was he red-tagged?

    If he blew and went out of comm, that’s a big red flag and if it was me, I’d be doing whatever I could to get him back into the org.

    Let’s not make the Brisbane org staff wrong without the data.

    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 10:51 pm | Reply

    Hi Huck, thank you for your kind words. Yes, lets not make Brisbane staff wrong. The case is not yet closed so I can’t make any comments but I can assure you that what has been written in the press has been twisted to make us in Brisbane look bad

    Underground For Now // December 23, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Reply


    Very impressed with your self-determinism. Your photo speaks volumes. You are my poster woman for, “I’m not going to take this B.S. any longer.”

    My favorite part of your resignation letter:

    “I am also using my right to assign a condition because I am damned if I am going to wear the condition myself for the lack of assigning it.

    I assign the Church of Scientology management and all its entities the condition of TREASON.”

    When I went public I wished I would have written those words. I have thought about the COS being in TREASON. I agree they are in TREASON.

    It is great to have an INDEPENDENT anchor point down under.

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:35 am | Reply

    Thanks and hopefully more Aussie’s will come aboard and I will be the anchor point for them if they wish.

    Linda // December 23, 2009 at 6:30 pm | Reply

    Hello Lise,
    Your resignation letter = simple, high impact, effective!
    My hat’s off to you.


    Gloria Manchenburg // December 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm | Reply

    How do you know that his death was unrelated to auditing? If I were auditing a person and was not qualified to deliver a process to someone, flubbed it and caused a psychotic break in that individual; I would not readily admit if it could be used against me in criminal proceedings.

    Sinar // December 23, 2009 at 8:00 pm | Reply

    Good on ya, Lise!

    I admire your fortitude and personal Integrity!

    Welcome to the Independents.

    Martin Padfield // December 23, 2009 at 8:22 pm | Reply

    Welcome Lise, to the world of Independence. As I see it a world of:
    Integrity as opposed to compromising self
    Reconnection as opposed disconnection
    Genuine affinity as opposed to pretended affinity
    Respect as opposed to contempt
    Open communication as opposed to suppressed communication
    Recognising LRH as the actual source of what we value as opposed to…
    Free will as opposed to “Command Intention”

    I will raise a glass for you and all Independents on Christmas Day.

    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 10:54 pm | Reply

    cheers Martin

    winsmexico // December 23, 2009 at 8:37 pm | Reply


    When I was a little kid I grow up looking at the early cartoons of the “justice league”.
    It was for me a dream that such a group of justice heroes could exist. Shortly after I grow up…
    It comes a time in the life when one needs to realize what is really happening around one.
    When this time arrives is not always an easy walk. Looking back into history one sees that anyone that dares to wake up his fellows is punished by the status quo. But as a friend of us say; they are the only beings that have made space for have a free society and free beings. In this year full of lies dissolved and light of truth I want to tell you I feel special and blessed that in a short period of time such a giant beings have stood up and say NO MORE.
    It starts with Marty, Mosey, Steve, Jason, Larry, Mark, Jeff, Hiro, Shannon, Geir, Mike, Dan, Mariette, Christie, Cathy, Jack, my dear friend Mary Jo, Sherry, Paul, Don, Amy, Shelly, Gary, Jackie, Haydn, Lucy, Marika, Katrina, Martin, Ken, Jim, Tom, Ted and Ignazio.
    As you can see I remember all of them. For me they are heroes and you are the new one of this “justice league”
    A hero does what is needed in the time needed with no excuses.
    It takes a lot of courage and many will not do a thing for fear.
    The battle for freedom in mankind will never stop. You are, with all the rest of Independents, constructing this ground to walk all free. Life and God bless you all the life.
    From your new fan…

    Roberto Sánchez Núñez.

    Thought provoking // December 23, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Reply

    I admire your courage. I’m sure this will inspire others to do the same.

    “When the Church received the news that Lise was going to resign, they sent in people to handle her from leaving. Like many staff they were being kept in the dark with no idea what was really going on in the world. So Lise took the opportunity to enlighten them, by
    handing them a copy of “What happened to training?” from Friends of LRH website.

    I love the way you handled this. An act more deserving of a freedom medal than most reported from the IAS.

    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 11:05 pm | Reply

    Thank you. funny you should mention freedom medal winners. n 2008 one of the winners was called Tim Bowles. Some of my research uncovered that he was actually a lawyer for the church and many many more outpoints. Very interesting when you actually read and observe the magazines. Outpoints are glaring but I think most Scios found “Scn news” extremely boring and trashed it before resading it. I certainly did . but after all whats happened I read it and discovered outpoint after outpoint. Each outpoint I found (false stats) I questioned at my “handlings”. Of course when confronted with the truth the Church had no answers. This in itself gave me courage and allowed me to stay in full control of each and every meeting

    RJ // December 23, 2009 at 9:27 pm | Reply


    I was just suckin’ back a cup o’ joe, expectin’ the same ol’, same ol’ and all a sudden Lise pops up on my screen!

    You must have quite a story to tell us!

    Questions, questions. Theories, theories.

    Look guys let’s let Lise get comfortable here before we get into any questions or theories!

    I’m sure Lise will tell us the back story in time.

    All I’d like to say is welcome.

    And like they say at Friends of LRH.

    You are among friends.

    Lise // December 24, 2009 at 1:39 am | Reply

    Thanks RJ appreciated.

    veritas.v // December 23, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Reply


    Love you for your courage, integrity and dedication.

    Your resignation letter resonates with my personal observations and experience in trying to set it right from within.

    Lise // December 23, 2009 at 11:07 pm | Reply

    Thank you and I will tell all in time. Currently working on some articles to release. And thank you to everyone for all your support, I feel truly blessed to be part of such a good and ethical group.

    living life // December 24, 2009 at 2:15 am | Reply

    Hi Marty, Your post regarding Lise has upset some of the Australians who are ex Brisbane staff and public.
    Ed McBride was not “soaring” on his auditing as suggested. This is an impossibility as within 48 hours after his last session, he tied himself to an electrical sub station, and that’s some serious voltage by the way, and killed himself. I would call this a great big fat RED TAG.
    If you read his coroners report ,the guy already had issues before scientology and probably should never have been allowed auditing in the first place, however I can see how this was “overlooked” as the Brisbane org is much smaller than even a staffed mission and they are desperate for public and G.I.
    I am not saying she killed him as he may have been going to do it anyway and the auditor failed to help him with what was C/Sed, but whos to say that misapplication didn’t drive him over the edge due to him being already unstable?
    I understand if you don’t post this but please look at all the data and actual evidence and do research next time before posting a “soaring PC” result when the guy committed serious hurry curry on himself right after his last session.
    I love a lot of what you say and do and I don’t know what you have been told. I am all for letting people know that Lise is out and pointing out her letter of resignation, that’s a good thing but Please marty, be more diligent when commenting in the future of such nature as “soaring PC” as clearly Ed Mcbride was not soaring. He is dead!! And was within 48 hours of his last session. Did you know this? What do you make of this?
    Were the org guys bombarding him with texts and calls to get him in to handle a nasty red tag???
    I look not listen, and Something’s wrong here.

    martyrathbun09 // December 24, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Reply

    Living Life, I have studied tomes of publicly available, and as yet not publicly released, information – including the lengthy coroner’s report. Your comment contains at least two assumptions not backed by evidence. So, I suggest you do as you assert you do, “I look not listen.” I stand by my post. I think you ought to read it more carefully.

    Huckleberry // December 24, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Reply

    From Living Life: “I am not saying she killed him as he may have been going to do it anyway and the auditor failed to help him with what was C/Sed, but whos to say that misapplication didn’t drive him over the edge due to him being already unstable?”

    This is not only nasty gossip but highly libellous and I’m shocked you published it, Marty. I don’t know Lise at all but any intimation that she may have been responsible for the dead soldier is outrageous in the absence of beyond-a-reasonable-doubt proof.

    Mike Hobson // December 24, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    >This is not only nasty gossip but highly libellous [sic]
    >and I’m shocked you published it, Marty.

    Huckleberry, read it again. Loving Life’s comment does not contain an accusation asserted as fact. It contains a speculation about a possibility in language that clearly shows it to be such.

    In any case, Marty is damned if he does, damned if he don’t with this.

    If he doesn’t allow it, the Anons and critics will point to that as clear proof he censors anything negative about scientology or scientologists. If he does allow it, freezoners will rail about it being unfair to Lise.

    Michael A. Hobson

    RJ // December 24, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Reply

    LL, unless you have Ed McBride’s folder and have done a thorough FES you don’t know what happened, so what you are writing here is purely speculation.

    This may surprise you but many cases with high security clearances, have had some form of psychiatric treatment or at least an evaluation by a psychiatrist. Some have been exposed to narcosynthesis.

    To dismiss this possible factor as “conspiracy theory” as some have done shows a definite lack of understanding on their part.

    The evidence of this being a possibility is *not* speculation and has been documented.

    As I wrote unless you have the folder to hand you do not know if what happened was directly due to the auditing, to environmental factors or because of some form of psychiatric treatment or evaluation.

    The fact is that standard auditing does not kill people.

    If you think that this is even possible then as far as I’m concerned you are on the wrong board.

    Cat Daddy // December 24, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    This Case appears to me like a bag of snakes, I am afraid to put my hand in it.

    wgas // December 24, 2009 at 8:59 pm | Reply

    How funny that someone with issues shouldn’t receive auditing. I thought Hubbard invented the cure for insanity.

    Christie // December 24, 2009 at 3:17 am | Reply

    Wow! I’m so happy to read this and thank you for joining the Independent movement. You have some serious integrity. We are lucky to have you in our midst!

    Virginia // December 24, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Reply

    We are so grateful out here for your outstanding article on first-hand experiences. In addition to being a brave. extraordinary Lady, you are an excellent writer!

    We look forward to more articles in the future. Thanks for a super Christmas Gift!!

    Concerned Citizen // December 24, 2009 at 5:56 pm | Reply

    Thank you Lise for your corage and for reaching out to his folks. I can only imagine how good it was for them to be able to talk to you directly.
    Leave a Comment.
  5. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    "The Cat had the sense to copy paste some bits. All hail to the Cat lol"

    AnonKat always delivers the goods. Thanks AK!
  6. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    Found it here too in it's original form:

    and i stand corrected, the above post is still on marty's blog here:
  7. anon2019

    anon2019 Patron with Honors
  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I love it when a Scientologist criticizes people because they criticize people.
    Last edited: May 14, 2010
  9. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

  10. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    You are doing the same conspiricy Tinfoilness Scifagotry as the Churchies but from the other side.

    Marty is NOT working for the Church of Scientology. Your post aims to confuse. Marty IS a Scientologists that is true and he practises it.
  11. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    My advice. Don't get entangled in conspiricy theories they lead to nothing.
  12. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    So, around the time Marty was writing this on his blog, behind the scenes he was also making many expensive phone calls from Texas to Australia to politicians in the Australian government to lobby against the Inquiry.

    How many calls did he make?

    How much money did he spend in his efforts to get this inquiry stopped?

    Did he have another source of funding for these calls, and all this work he did behind the scenes?
  13. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I don't know anything about any of this. But I can say, from personal experience, that crap was shit before DM was there. I was a child living off beans and rice for years, hardly ever seeing my mother, abortions were going on then too. On and on and on.

    I have recently spoken publicly about one aspect of the abuse. You will all be seeing it pretty soon. I think people deserve to know what they are getting into, when they are interested in exploring Scientology.

    Thank god I have seen the light. I will never go back. Ever. :yes:
  14. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    THIS,.Anons need more people from the Hubbard Days to speak out Well done girl.
  15. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    And you've helped others to see the light too, so thanks!
  16. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    You say this with such certainty.

    How do you know with such certainty?

    If there was ever a group with expressed tech and policy to create conspiracies - exactly like this - it is the Church of Scientology.

    Marty can clear all this up.

    He should.
  17. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    His loyalties are unchanged. Except for Dave, who he has a grudge against, on account of not being given his due share. I think that's it, anyway.
  18. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    No - for me there is very clear proof that there is something very wrong and rotten with this Marty movement. This has nothing to do with "conspiricy Tinfoilness"!! They are hiding crimes - severe crimes - if this "true believers" would go to the police with all their information the Church of Scientology would be ruined forever in a few weeks - there is no need for a blog like Martys, where all the true believers can remain brainwashed in order to start a new movement after the dissmissal of David Miscavige. This is what I believe after what I have seen in the last months in and in contact with this "movement".

  19. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Okay Markus, My onley point was that he is not working FOR the C of $
  20. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    He is working FOR scientology that is true. that is because he IS a Scientologist