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Who is Geir Isene?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by skollie, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor


    Could you please enlighten me about these supposed powers?

    What claims are made about OT VIII's?

    I have been out of touch.

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  2. exscilon

    exscilon Patron


    An OT VIII would be able to answer that question better than I.

    I'd at least expect an OT VIII to be able to exteriorize and be able to perceive the material universe outside their body.

    A testable claim.

    Vinaire - Do you think an OT VIII has any abilities that wogs don't possess?
     
  3. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    There's some discussion of this here on ESMB eg:
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=132509&postcount=106
    Do a search of the forum on "OTVIII" or "OT8" and you'll learn some stuff. :)
     
  4. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    The most striking OTVIII power I've ever witnessed was an astounding ability to run a Tone Scale from bottom to top and back again in a practically inertialess manner.

    Zinj
     
  5. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    OT 8's are Cause over buying books.
     
  6. Pepin

    Pepin Patron with Honors

    I know people who do this regularly and are only OT I
     
  7. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor


    How can one test that?

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  8. Ackerland

    Ackerland Patron with Honors

    Simple. Make the OT turn around facing a wall. Hold up a given amount of fingers behind his back and ask him how many you are holding up.

    Testing total recall?
    Show someone who is clear two pages of a book for 2 seconds. Close enough for the person to make out the details, but not long enough to read each word. Hubbard says clears have perfect recall for each of the senses, including sight with each perception being stored in memory in all detail. The clear should now be able to tell what is written on these two pages, word for word.

    Hubbard's claims are on the most part scientifically testable. On one hand Hubbard goes out and claims he has invented a science, but on the other hand forbids any of his followers to test his claims. Does that smell strange to you?
     
  9. :roflmao:
     
  10. Pepin

    Pepin Patron with Honors

    That doesn't prove a person is "exterior"
    people can see these things with their minds alone.

    Some people have the ability to see distant places and times and still have the viewpoint of a body.
     
  11. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    Imagination is not unusual, or OT.
    Distinguishing between imagination and reality might be a true OT ability for many.
     
  12. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor


    These are parlour tricks. Is that what one is supposed to learn on OT VIII?

    Being exterior to the body, or to the physical universe, is something else. As far as I have experienced it, it is purely subjective.

    Ask Buddha. Forget about Hubbard, he was all marketing.

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  13. Pepin

    Pepin Patron with Honors

    Who's talking about imagination?
     
  14. Ackerland

    Ackerland Patron with Honors

    We're not talking about what person xyz thinks about how being exterior is supposed to be. We're talking about what Hubbard said it is going to be like and what is promised to Scientologists.

    From http://www.dianetics.org.au/L_Ron_Hubbard/page_4/

    They said "operate", not be in some batshit whacko state of mind where you just feel good about yourself. I don't have all the materials on what Hubbard wrote about exteriorisation, but judging on how some Scientologists are happy to report they "saw their room from above" and other claimed supernatural abilities like going exterior to fix a broken car engine as is written in one of their OT magazines, *that* state of exterior is scientifically testable, and this is what I am talking about.
     
  15. You might actually believe it, but that still doesn't make it anything other than imagination. Scientology whether in the freezone on in Hubbard's formal cult, has never even remotely come close to producing an OT, ... not even remotely close, and it never will even come close, but then again Scientology was never intended to actually produce anything, let alone a "Clear" or "OT". All of Hubbard's so-called "Tech" is nothing but a con man's game of hypnosis ... and hypnotizing people into believing something, does not even come close to it making it reality.
     
  16. uncle sam

    uncle sam Silver Meritorious Patron

    Hey Vinaire....

    I like "Buddha"---don't like hubbard!
     
  17. lie2meiluvit

    lie2meiluvit Patron with Honors

  18. MostlyLurker

    MostlyLurker Patron Meritorious

    Thanks lie2meiluvit for the link to the video.

    Disconnection is in full use by the Church. :angry:

    Thanks AnonymousNorway for the subtitles.
     
  19. lie2meiluvit

    lie2meiluvit Patron with Honors

    you're welcome :)
     
  20. Pepin

    Pepin Patron with Honors

    I wasn't aware that the discussion was centered around Hubbard craft. You can prove that their are and have never been any people OT or clear?