The handling of Mass

[Vinaire]

As spirits often like to be rich, powerful, and play all sorts of games - these are not something to make nothing of.

Promoting and enticing clients with those goals is encouraging the commonly agreed upon infatuation with MEST. In short, it is a sales pitch and marketing.

In my view, this kind of activity is quite materialistic and non-spiritual. Scientology organizations too indulge in it

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[gomorrhan]

inducing people to believe that they should follow spiritual mumbo-jumbo is no better. let's face it, porn and playstation kick both religion and money's ass

 

[DartSmohen]

I also had huge wins on II. III for me ran very smoothly as well. It was more like me taking a huge "suppress" off of my space and cleaning up what was underneath...

But I am curious...how did the "original" differ from the "published" besides the "loyal officer" bit?

The "original" materials were a stack of papers, hundreds of pages. They were, essentially a sci-fi story. They were written some time before May 1967, before we arrived. I believe he wrote the script for OT3 sometime in the Autumn of 1967, but I cannot be sure. There had been some comments about Hubbard being busy writing up the "next level".

We knew the subject he was addressing; we had been with him standing by the Thieves Market in Gran Canaria as he explained that everything we saw was an exact replica of how it all was 75 million years ago, even down to the style of clothes people were wearing, how aircraft like the DC-8 would fly from planet to planet.

Virtually all of us had given and received hundreds, if not thousands of hours of processing and were all highly trained. We all had sufficient charge taken off our respective cases to know what was true foir us and what was not.

There was also the fact that Hubbard was pretty well "stoned" most of the time.

Mind you, there were some who accepted what he had propounded as fact. It was real to them. For the rest of us, it was not. Hubbard knew that he was going to have top depend on us when it came time to launch the upper levels, so he included the Loyal Officer bit to ensure our support.

 

[DartSmohen]

Yes, lets get back to it.

DS, you mentioned that you ask the person what he wants handled, what do you use to then handle it?

If it is something that is sitting in the way (like an "out rud") then you deal with it.

In my experience the vast majority of Scn auditors have huge misunderstoods of what ruds are and, more importantly, the handling of them.

I am sure that some will be upset by that statement, but it happens to be true.

If neccessary I will give a detailed explanation of how to properly handle ruds.

Back to your point; by asking the person what his attention is on gives you the real-time, thing that is in restim. That is right there, in their face. So you handle it. The fact that they can identify it means they can confront it, the mass can be erased and you can move on. Maybe something else comes up, you handle it right now. It is there in present time, so you deal with it.

Charge can only be handled in real-time, all this stuff about going out of PT, "down the track" is nonsense. What you do is bring that incident to PT and handle it.

Does that cover it?

 

[Vinaire]

inducing people to believe that they should follow spiritual mumbo-jumbo is no better. let's face it, porn and playstation kick both religion and money's ass

That is true. That is materialistic too. The Roman Catholic Church is quite materialistic. Look at all the material they have acquired over the years.

Then one has to look after all that material. One becomes slave to matter.

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[Neo]

If it is something that is sitting in the way (like an "out rud") then you deal with it.

In my experience the vast majority of Scn auditors have huge misunderstoods of what ruds are and, more importantly, the handling of them.

I am sure that some will be upset by that statement, but it happens to be true.

If neccessary I will give a detailed explanation of how to properly handle ruds.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate it if you went over this. I agree with your assessment that ruds tend to get poorly handled.

Back to your point; by asking the person what his attention is on gives you the real-time, thing that is in restim. That is right there, in their face. So you handle it. The fact that they can identify it means they can confront it, the mass can be erased and you can move on. Maybe something else comes up, you handle it right now. It is there in present time, so you deal with it.

Charge can only be handled in real-time, all this stuff about going out of PT, "down the track" is nonsense. What you do is bring that incident to PT and handle it.

Does that cover it?

Handle it? How? Is it just a matter of looking at what is there? Or are there specific steps to the erasure of the force, charge and mass that you are referring to?

 

[gomorrhan]

That is true. That is materialistic too. The Roman Catholic Church is quite materialistic. Look at all the material they have acquired over the years.

Then one has to look after all that material. One becomes slave to matter.

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That's one view, and the Catholic Church is just one example.

It's not "materialistic". Materialism asserts that all there is, is matter. I never said any such thing. I just said that asserting there is a spiritual entity is both unnecessary and irrational. It's a false dichotomy between materialism and spirituality. Examine what is, rather than what you hope there is as opposed to what you have seen.

 

[Vinaire]

...
Examine what is, rather than what you hope there is as opposed to what you have seen.

THAT action to me is spiritual.

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[DartSmohen]

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate it if you went over this. I agree with your assessment that ruds tend to get poorly handled.



Handle it? How? Is it just a matter of looking at what is there? Or are there specific steps to the erasure of the force, charge and mass that you are referring to?

Here we go.

In the rote processing procedures of the cult (and possibly in the FZ, but I would imagine it is more relaxed there) the purpose of ruds is to KEY OUT whatever is sitting in the way of the auditor carrying out the procedure determined by the C/S.

This does not handle anything, merely to push it away (until the next time it KEYS IN again).

When I start a session I say START OF SESSION.

Then I ask HAS THE SESSION STARTED FOR YOU ?

Next, I ask WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR THIS SESSION ?

Get them noted down.

Next question is WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR LIFE ?

Now we are ready to proceed, unless there is an out-rud sitting there. We handle this and then get that question answered.

The handling of the ruds is just like any other processing action; process the person in front of you and handle what comes up.

ARC BREAK

Typically, when a Scn auditor asks "Do you have an ARC Break," (consulting the meter) if it reads, they say what is it.

Actually, you don't need a meter. You have the pc in front of you. If his face is up his arse, you know there is something sitting there. Also, I have seen "FN's" on a pc who is so charged up, they are looking for a sharp object to stab someone. Trust me, your pc is by far the best meter there is.

The pc says I had a fight with my mother (or some such thing).
An experienced auditor might well want more info; When was that, what happened?

Th pc describes what happened.
The auditor then asks "Was that a break in Affinity, A break in reality etc.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

The auditor is assessing an incident, NOT the ARC BREAK.

Per the cult definition, an ARC Break is a SUDDEN break in ARC. It does not happen gradually, it is SUDDEN. Something happened to cause the ARC to break.

So, find out more. At what point did the ARC break? It was there, then it wasn't.

The "upset with my mother" is not the ARC Break. Something happened during that incident (upset). What suddenly happened is the ARC Break.

Usually spotting it results in a realisation. "Oh, it was when I saw her pick up a bowl to throw at me".

NOW you can ask "At that moment in time, was there a ......".
You are REPAIRING the break.

By dealing with the charge, force and mass, it erases. Now you can continue, unless, of course an earlier ARC Break comes to the surface. Deal with it the same way. You continue until whatever has been sitting ther has been erased and the pc is now fully in PT and is "in session".

PRESENT TIME PROBLEM

If you process a person over the top of a present time problem you will not make progress. Why? Because the guy is not in session. His attention is fixated elsewhere.

What does "in session" mean? It means being there willingly and has attention on their case.

So, what is a problem? According to Hubbard it is a force-counterforce etc.
It floats there in PT.

So how does a problem come into being.?

Well, you have to consider there is a problem in order for it to exist.

If you don't consider an opposing effort, force or intention to be a problem then is simply isn't.

What happens is that at one moment you were certain, now you are uncertain. You have become confused about it.

That is why behind every PTP there is a prior confusion.

So, how did the guy get confused? In order to do so, they have shifted from cause to effect.

What caused them to switch? They became the effect of someone. As a result they became confused.

So, find out who that person was, the one who got them to become confused and thereby set up the PTP.

Now, WHY did they become the effect of that person?


Probably they had DONE or SAID something against them. Find out what it was, find out what problem they were trying to solve by doing it.

You will find that it all starts to fall away.

Again, this may well allow an earlier PTP to come to the surface.

What you are doing is handling charge, force & mass.

MISSED WITHOLDS

First of all, there is nothing wrong with a withold. You can have laudable ones; a partner's present. organising a surprise party etc.

The problem comes when someone ELSE does or says something that makes YOU think they might know.

The effect is to cause you to separate away from that person. You might find you become critical of them, natter about them and try and avoid being in the same space.

What has happened is that charge has been triggered by what you perceive to be a "nearly finding out".

The way to handle this is to determine what it was that you were witholding (this is not the charged aspect) and then find out whqt that other person did or said that made you think they knew.

Get exact place, time, allo details about that moment in time. This is confronting the charge and it will erase.

Again, it may allow an earlier MWH to surface. Repeat the same steps until the whole thing is handled.

As in all processing actions, HANDLED is the key word. It means "terminatedly taken care of, dealt with fully" It does not meqn KEY it out.


In order to end a session after completing the processing, or taking the client to such a huge win, they are totally blown out, you ask

How have you progressed towards your goals in life?

Have you acheived your goal fore the session?

If anything comes up, deal with it.

Is it ok if we end session?

If yes, then say END OF SESSION

Lastly you say TELL ME I AM NO LONGER PROCESSING YOU.

I trust this gives the answers you were seeking.

DS

 

[DartSmohen]

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate it if you went over this. I agree with your assessment that ruds tend to get poorly handled.



Handle it? How? Is it just a matter of looking at what is there? Or are there specific steps to the erasure of the force, charge and mass that you are referring to?

Here we go.

In the rote processing procedures of the cult (and possibly in the FZ, but I would imagine it is more relaxed there) the purpose of ruds is to KEY OUT whatever is sitting in the way of the auditor carrying out the procedure determined by the C/S.

This does not handle anything, merely to push it away (until the next time it KEYS IN again).

When I start a session I say START OF SESSION.

Then I ask HAS THE SESSION STARTED FOR YOU ?

Next, I ask WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR THIS SESSION ?

Get them noted down.

Next question is WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR LIFE ?

Now we are ready to proceed, unless there is an out-rud sitting there. We handle this and then get that question answered.

The handling of the ruds is just like any other processing action; process the person in front of you and handle what comes up.

ARC BREAK

Typically, when a Scn auditor asks "Do you have an ARC Break," (consulting the meter) if it reads, they say what is it.

Actually, you don't need a meter. You have the pc in front of you. If his face is up his arse, you know there is something sitting there. Also, I have seen "FN's" on a pc who is so charged up, they are looking for a sharp object to stab someone. Trust me, your pc is by far the best meter there is.

The pc says I had a fight with my mother (or some such thing).
An experienced auditor might well want more info; When was that, what happened?

Th pc describes what happened.
The auditor then asks "Was that a break in Affinity, A break in reality etc.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

The auditor is assessing an incident, NOT the ARC BREAK.

Per the cult definition, an ARC Break is a SUDDEN break in ARC. It does not happen gradually, it is SUDDEN. Something happened to cause the ARC to break.

So, find out more. At what point did the ARC break? It was there, then it wasn't.

The "upset with my mother" is not the ARC Break. Something happened during that incident (upset). What suddenly happened is the ARC Break.

Usually spotting it results in a realisation. "Oh, it was when I saw her pick up a bowl to throw at me".

NOW you can ask "At that moment in time, was there a ......".
You are REPAIRING the break.

By dealing with the charge, force and mass, it erases. Now you can continue, unless, of course an earlier ARC Break comes to the surface. Deal with it the same way. You continue until whatever has been sitting ther has been erased and the pc is now fully in PT and is "in session".

PRESENT TIME PROBLEM

If you process a person over the top of a present time problem you will not make progress. Why? Because the guy is not in session. His attention is fixated elsewhere.

What does "in session" mean? It means being there willingly and has attention on their case.

So, what is a problem? According to Hubbard it is a force-counterforce etc.
It floats there in PT.

So how does a problem come into being.?

Well, you have to consider there is a problem in order for it to exist.

If you don't consider an opposing effort, force or intention to be a problem then is simply isn't.

What happens is that at one moment you were certain, now you are uncertain. You have become confused about it.

That is why behind every PTP there is a prior confusion.

So, how did the guy get confused? In order to do so, they have shifted from cause to effect.

What caused them to switch? They became the effect of someone. As a result they became confused.

So, find out who that person was, the one who got them to become confused and thereby set up the PTP.

Now, WHY did they become the effect of that person?


Probably they had DONE or SAID something against them. Find out what it was, find out what problem they were trying to solve by doing it.

You will find that it all starts to fall away.

Again, this may well allow an earlier PTP to come to the surface.

What you are doing is handling charge, force & mass.

MISSED WITHOLDS

First of all, there is nothing wrong with a withold. You can have laudable ones; a partner's present. organising a surprise party etc.

The problem comes when someone ELSE does or says something that makes YOU think they might know.

The effect is to cause you to separate away from that person. You might find you become critical of them, natter about them and try and avoid being in the same space.

What has happened is that charge has been triggered by what you perceive to be a "nearly finding out".

The way to handle this is to determine what it was that you were witholding (this is not the charged aspect) and then find out whqt that other person did or said that made you think they knew.

Get exact place, time, allo details about that moment in time. This is confronting the charge and it will erase.

Again, it may allow an earlier MWH to surface. Repeat the same steps until the whole thing is handled.

As in all processing actions, HANDLED is the key word. It means "terminatedly taken care of, dealt with fully" It does not meqn KEY it out.


In order to end a session after completing the processing, or taking the client to such a huge win, they are totally blown out, you ask

How have you progressed towards your goals in life?

Have you acheived your goal fore the session?

If anything comes up, deal with it.

Is it ok if we end session?

If yes, then say END OF SESSION

Lastly you say TELL ME I AM NO LONGER PROCESSING YOU.

I trust this gives the answers you were seeking.

DS

 

[Neo]

I trust this gives the answers you were seeking.

DS

Very much so. Thank you.

 

[Alan]

Promoting and enticing clients with those goals is encouraging the commonly agreed upon infatuation with MEST. In short, it is a sales pitch and marketing.

In my view, this kind of activity is quite materialistic and non-spiritual. Scientology organizations too indulge in it

.

I'm glad you know what is right for people, I have not achieved that lofty state yet.

Not once have you confronted CHARGE, FORCE or MASS - just prattled on in a righteous manner about your opinions about what is right about you and your approach to life.

Most times in session you are processing a composite - of Spirits + minds + body + environments - usually you run what the client wants.

Each of these can have areas of CHARGE, FORCE or MASS connected to them.

What I think, believe, etc., has no bearing on what should be addressed - my job is to help the client to erase the CHARGE, FORCE or MASS that is impeding them from getting their wants.

Underlying this is the fact that most clients:

Want to be more themselves and help those they love to be more also.

Want to be financially free.

Want to create and live in safe environments.

Want to be more loving, knowledgable, friendlier, in harmony with others, do the best they can can for those they love, etc.

By erasing the CHARGE, FORCE or MASS impeding the above - this is attained.

Alan

 

[gomorrhan]

I don't see FORCE or MASS being a problem with people, except where they contribute to a counter-intention, inhibiting one's own intention, and generate CHARGE.

I see the value in addressing charge, wherever it is discovered, until such time as a person develops the ability to confront and handle it in real-time, or solo-on-inspection. Not to say that even advanced practitioners wouldn't need a session from an exterior terminal when they got run over by a freight train on Venus, or something.

 

[PirateAndBum]

One of the things I learned while doing L11 is that mental mass is quite real. So real that I found that I had my body balanced against it. When this mass around my body was no longer present I couldn't walk straight - it took some time to readjust to this. It seems handling mass, force & charge go hand in hand. A person's willingness to confront mass, force and charge is increased on a gradient. It is a matter of quantity per unit time; confronting stubbing you toe vs. having a H-bomb go off in your face require different levels of willingness to confront on the part of the individual. The forces involved are quite different.

 

[Alan]

I don't see FORCE or MASS being a problem with people, except where they contribute to a counter-intention, inhibiting one's own intention, and generate CHARGE.

I see the value in addressing charge, wherever it is discovered, until such time as a person develops the ability to confront and handle it in real-time, or solo-on-inspection. Not to say that even advanced practitioners wouldn't need a session from an exterior terminal when they got run over by a freight train on Venus, or something.

MASS is solidified CHARGE.

FORCE is the amount of energy or effort being expended to move or stop S/O or S/T.

 

[Alan]

One of the things I learned while doing L11 is that mental mass is quite real.

So real that I found that I had my body balanced against it. When this mass around my body was no longer present I couldn't walk straight - it took some time to readjust to this. It seems handling mass, force & charge go hand in hand.

A person's willingness to confront mass, force and charge is increased on a gradient.

It is a matter of quantity per unit time; confronting stubbing you toe vs. having a H-bomb go off in your face require different levels of willingness to confront on the part of the individual.

The forces involved are quite different.

Good summation P&B!

 

[DartSmohen]

One of the things I learned while doing L11 is that mental mass is quite real. So real that I found that I had my body balanced against it. When this mass around my body was no longer present I couldn't walk straight - it took some time to readjust to this. It seems handling mass, force & charge go hand in hand. A person's willingness to confront mass, force and charge is increased on a gradient. It is a matter of quantity per unit time; confronting stubbing you toe vs. having a H-bomb go off in your face require different levels of willingness to confront on the part of the individual. The forces involved are quite different.

You are correct. There are times when you blow so much force and mass that you have to readjust. The "effort" you were using previously needs to be scaled back.You handle force, charge and mass on a gradient, which is determined by what you can comfortably confront. As you erase what is there, underlaying forces and masses come into view to be handled. This is a continuing process.

 

[DartSmohen]

One of the things I learned while doing L11 is that mental mass is quite real. So real that I found that I had my body balanced against it. When this mass around my body was no longer present I couldn't walk straight - it took some time to readjust to this. It seems handling mass, force & charge go hand in hand. A person's willingness to confront mass, force and charge is increased on a gradient. It is a matter of quantity per unit time; confronting stubbing you toe vs. having a H-bomb go off in your face require different levels of willingness to confront on the part of the individual. The forces involved are quite different.

You are correct. There are times when you blow so much force and mass that you have to readjust. The "effort" you were using previously needs to be scaled back.

You handle force, charge and mass on a gradient, which is determined by what you can comfortably confront. As you erase what is there, underlaying forces and masses come into view to be handled.

This is a continuing process.

 

[Vinaire]

Here we go.

In the rote processing procedures of the cult (and possibly in the FZ, but I would imagine it is more relaxed there) the purpose of ruds is to KEY OUT whatever is sitting in the way of the auditor carrying out the procedure determined by the C/S.

This does not handle anything, merely to push it away (until the next time it KEYS IN again).

When I start a session I say START OF SESSION.

Then I ask HAS THE SESSION STARTED FOR YOU ?

Next, I ask WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR THIS SESSION ?

Get them noted down.

Next question is WHAT GOALS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET FOR LIFE ?

Now we are ready to proceed, unless there is an out-rud sitting there. We handle this and then get that question answered.

The handling of the ruds is just like any other processing action; process the person in front of you and handle what comes up.

ARC BREAK

Typically, when a Scn auditor asks "Do you have an ARC Break," (consulting the meter) if it reads, they say what is it.

Actually, you don't need a meter. You have the pc in front of you. If his face is up his arse, you know there is something sitting there. Also, I have seen "FN's" on a pc who is so charged up, they are looking for a sharp object to stab someone. Trust me, your pc is by far the best meter there is.

The pc says I had a fight with my mother (or some such thing).
An experienced auditor might well want more info; When was that, what happened?

Th pc describes what happened.
The auditor then asks "Was that a break in Affinity, A break in reality etc.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

The auditor is assessing an incident, NOT the ARC BREAK.

Per the cult definition, an ARC Break is a SUDDEN break in ARC. It does not happen gradually, it is SUDDEN. Something happened to cause the ARC to break.

So, find out more. At what point did the ARC break? It was there, then it wasn't.

The "upset with my mother" is not the ARC Break. Something happened during that incident (upset). What suddenly happened is the ARC Break.

Usually spotting it results in a realisation. "Oh, it was when I saw her pick up a bowl to throw at me".

NOW you can ask "At that moment in time, was there a ......".
You are REPAIRING the break.

By dealing with the charge, force and mass, it erases. Now you can continue, unless, of course an earlier ARC Break comes to the surface. Deal with it the same way. You continue until whatever has been sitting ther has been erased and the pc is now fully in PT and is "in session".

PRESENT TIME PROBLEM

If you process a person over the top of a present time problem you will not make progress. Why? Because the guy is not in session. His attention is fixated elsewhere.

What does "in session" mean? It means being there willingly and has attention on their case.

So, what is a problem? According to Hubbard it is a force-counterforce etc.
It floats there in PT.

So how does a problem come into being.?

Well, you have to consider there is a problem in order for it to exist.

If you don't consider an opposing effort, force or intention to be a problem then is simply isn't.

What happens is that at one moment you were certain, now you are uncertain. You have become confused about it.

That is why behind every PTP there is a prior confusion.

So, how did the guy get confused? In order to do so, they have shifted from cause to effect.

What caused them to switch? They became the effect of someone. As a result they became confused.

So, find out who that person was, the one who got them to become confused and thereby set up the PTP.

Now, WHY did they become the effect of that person?


Probably they had DONE or SAID something against them. Find out what it was, find out what problem they were trying to solve by doing it.

You will find that it all starts to fall away.

Again, this may well allow an earlier PTP to come to the surface.

What you are doing is handling charge, force & mass.

MISSED WITHOLDS

First of all, there is nothing wrong with a withold. You can have laudable ones; a partner's present. organising a surprise party etc.

The problem comes when someone ELSE does or says something that makes YOU think they might know.

The effect is to cause you to separate away from that person. You might find you become critical of them, natter about them and try and avoid being in the same space.

What has happened is that charge has been triggered by what you perceive to be a "nearly finding out".

The way to handle this is to determine what it was that you were witholding (this is not the charged aspect) and then find out whqt that other person did or said that made you think they knew.

Get exact place, time, allo details about that moment in time. This is confronting the charge and it will erase.

Again, it may allow an earlier MWH to surface. Repeat the same steps until the whole thing is handled.

As in all processing actions, HANDLED is the key word. It means "terminatedly taken care of, dealt with fully" It does not meqn KEY it out.


In order to end a session after completing the processing, or taking the client to such a huge win, they are totally blown out, you ask

How have you progressed towards your goals in life?

Have you acheived your goal fore the session?

If anything comes up, deal with it.

Is it ok if we end session?

If yes, then say END OF SESSION

Lastly you say TELL ME I AM NO LONGER PROCESSING YOU.

I trust this gives the answers you were seeking.

DS

Well, this is how I understood rudiments all along in Scientology. The only valuable mechanic is the pc spotting the exact moment of "shift."

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[Vinaire]

I'm glad you know what is right for people, I have not achieved that lofty state yet.

Not once have you confronted CHARGE, FORCE or MASS - just prattled on in a righteous manner about your opinions about what is right about you and your approach to life.

Most times in session you are processing a composite - of Spirits + minds + body + environments - usually you run what the client wants.

Each of these can have areas of CHARGE, FORCE or MASS connected to them.

What I think, believe, etc., has no bearing on what should be addressed - my job is to help the client to erase the CHARGE, FORCE or MASS that is impeding them from getting their wants.

Underlying this is the fact that most clients:

Want to be more themselves and help those they love to be more also.

Want to be financially free.

Want to create and live in safe environments.

Want to be more loving, knowledgable, friendlier, in harmony with others, do the best they can can for those they love, etc.

By erasing the CHARGE, FORCE or MASS impeding the above - this is attained.

Alan

Aren't you also doing what you accuse me of?

I am successful in life and that is the evidence that I have confronted CHARGE, FORCE and MASS using your terminology. But for me it means not being stuck in the play that this MEST universe entices one into.

Stop being theoretical, Alan. Your evaluation of me does not fit what is there. Please don't get hung up on making me wrong. That won't get you anywhere.

This sort of evaluation is where Scientology has gone wrong. You seem to be following the same path.

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